A guy with a hard-on isn’t caring about production and background and lighting. A clear image of the action and the sound of wet sex and sucking and swallowing is what matters.

Homemade videos are wanted if the girl or guy is hot, hung, well-built and willing to do what viewers want to see.

The industry has grown and you have to expand your limits to compete.

Complete garbage - I want someone from pornhub to come in here and claim $45/1000views. Then lets go over to StripperWeb and talk to the actual models and see if any of them are getting that. Spoiler - they aren't or even a 10th of that.


LOL with 107,000,000,000 views a year that would mean Pornhub was making 4.8 billion a year LOL

I'm not saying they don't make money. I'm saying how do they film themselves doing couples porn properly?

Like this https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h5d77ed7a541de

Softbox lights, HD cams, and DSLR cameras are all good but how do they get a partner and the skills to shoot anything but selfie/POV style porn?

Nobody is saying the industry hasn't changed and people had to change with it. I'm asking if the industry is growing or shrinking over the last 5 years?

What is the truth?

Do they make $6,000 to $10,000 a week that's what hardcore models made back in the day.

Can you show us how you reached those figures. Everyone knows that views on PH converts at an awful rate.

Your knowledge in business is and always has been obsolete.

Research supply and demand. Everyone can produce "low quality" content, few can produce good content.

I think she earns more than that. But the earnings of one outstanding model doesn't indicate the growth or shrinkage of the industry.

So our content was fucking great as no online site could afford it?

How do you know what girls make, do you have access to their bank accounts?

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...key=1978596610

Something any pretty girl can produce.

Show us what she does that's so great and guess how many stay to the end.

Stop talking common sense. It is banned on here.

why did you not read it and calculate it ?

that sounds high but it isn´t.

on a video site there are 5 ads (plus a pop)
additionally i think that "views of your video times the ad rate" means that a video have to be played for a minimum time. if each of this ads have an average CPM of 0,20 they pay the half of the adrevenue.

I would say that some small memberprogramm in the good old days would be happy
to get content that cheap.

a premium user on PH Gold pays 9,95 per month.
in average he will not watch more than 30 videos per month. even on a rate of 45$
the share they pay out here would be $ 1,35.

and i actually doubt that the average of watched videos per user and month is as high as 30. as longer and as more users are in this membership the watch rate will drop. many of them will even pay without even logging in.

so no magic - simple calculation.

Ads can't pay more than the product, unless you get free content.

There is still money in porn, is there more or less than 6 years ago?

This Week's Most Viewed Porn Videos in UK https://www.pornhub.com/video?o=mv&cc=gb just to give people some perspective about the popularity of POV/selfie style porn.

Studios produce a product that few models can produce with a camera on a tripod. https://www.pornhub.com/channels/faketaxi

for who?
make me this calculation and show me that you know what you are talking about.

the content on our sites is not for free. only for my own sites i licence 2000- 2500 videos each month.

other publishers made content deals like pornhub and paid a share of their ad income. but they changed to the buy content model because it is more profitabel than the share model.

you have no fucking clue how much costs you have on a membership programm where around 60-70% of the revenue is already gone with affiliate payouts and payment costs.
from the other 30% servers, internal and external workers, content and profit must be paid.

now calculate how much a program with 3000 members and a monthly price of 20 dollars CAN PAY for content when they only want to make 5 updates per day.

you don´t understand that this memebrship model will be limited to this 3000 paying members and if they pay 20 dollars, they contribute $ 0,66 per person and day.

tubes do not make 0,66 per person and day - they make 0,005 per person and day but
if a tube have 10 million users they make 1.5 million with them and not 60.000

even when they would charge 0.005 a user per visit they would NEVER reach even 20.000 paying users.

The original question was Per View, and yes there are monetize metrics on watch length, ad watching, etc. Less than half views are monetized though they are counted.

This means, once again, that the model who had 115,000,000 views on her self produced content made perhaps $45k off that, not LOL $3,000,000 USD (!!) which was claimed above.

The simple point is, a scene (from which several clips can be made) needs around 60,000,000 views to turn a profit if it's a produced BG scene. This can be done, but it isn't easy and aint nobody flying planes in Las Vegas.

it is nowhere shown WHERE this views are made.
for sure not in the paid area - but even if it is done in the free area she should make like 70 K just on PH.
what is NOT calculated yet is the fact, that she will get additional income from the same work she made in the future. and over all: the promotion this girl gets with it.
if she is smart she will be able to make a few million in her active time and still make money when she gets out of the job.

of course the producers get angry when suddenly the content gets smarter than themselves. but when you read paul´s contributions you also realize that you don't have to be a genius to be smarter.

This is a pointless discussion with Thommy because his income depends on the number of people who click an ad and the value of that click. Everyone knows advertising can't make as much as selling if you're the creating and paying for the product. That rule applies to porn and everything else.

This conversation has taken the wrong route in debating whether a model on PH earns as much as a paysite selling porn today. Or if the business is just moving from one to the other. It's a pointless debate.

Has N. America and EU traffic to tubes increased or decreased over the last 5 years, without a drop in ratios? Have traffic prices increased or decreased over the last five years? Are more sponsors paying out or going broke?

We know the young are less likely to buy porn than an older generation. We know where our sales come from and most are N. America and EU. We know that people prefer free to paying even if it's as little as $30 to download a years supply of porn. We know conversion ratios from tube traffic is awful.

So stop debating how much money a girl makes from her selfie/POV videos on PH. That's not what the thread is about.

who the fuck is WE ????

you and harvey the pink rabbit ?

in any of your "biz threats", have you ever seen anyone agree with you?

Youtube showed us, content doesn’t have to be high end to do well. When I took a video class 100 yrs ago. The instructor stated 2 thirds of the video experience is audio, which then opened my eyes why the shitty shot or quality videos do well on YouTube since the audio is digital for the most point it’s on the money. For porn the am content shot shitty by some cam chick and her BF or BFF can be tons hotter than something shot with lots of money and experience because everyone really wants to be there and it’s actually a turn on to the models on some level. The vibe in the air makes a huge difference in my opinion. Models got tired of working for others and having no control. I can see the money not being as quick but they have control and they own the content. I don’t think the industry is shrinking it’s just different.

Before complaining about people taking the wrong route.... first fucking define your definition of "porn industry" because you rarly start a thread which doesn't crash in Babylonian confusion...

Hammahummamma?

it is taking the wrong route because really NOBODY agrees with him.

I am not sure if he even reads all the answers that tell him what a fucking moron he is.
He's like a ghost driver on the wrong lane claiming that everyone else driving towards him is driving wrong.

Overall, Paul's arm is healing alright . . .

Agreed a real amateur performance can be way more enjoyable than a well lit, well shot faked performance. This is why your instructor was right, the quality of the sound the model is making is essential. Not the quality of the recording. Which is why most porn stars go to work for real and don't fake it. But a badly shot, badly lit performance from a bad model is still shit.

Some models never chose porn as a career whether they control their own content or others do. That's where the experienced porn producer comes into his own.

Why do people still think the style something is shot in defines the quality of the product?

I was wrong, I assumed everyone would know what the porn industry meant. As you're the only one who has asked this.

It's the industry for making, selling porn. So mainly cams and recorded porn.

Pauls only only reference to industry KPI's are what happend with his company Banapro s.r.o. - that is why he thinks there are no money in porn. Meeting all those successful billionaires dident seem to rub off on you.

say "hi" to Alena for me Paul

the industry that sells porn needs sites that promote them - those affiliate sites are probably the only ones where you CAN promote porn but they are not limited to promote porn.
if they can sell rubbertrees with more profit than with selling porn they will sell rubbertrees.
if they can sell dating with more profit they will sell dating. if they sell 3D games with a better result they sell 3D games.

porn movies have changed from being a product to be a magnet for masses.
and as 100% of the income from the porn sales came from this sites this is the measure
we are talking about. the revenue made on this sites is MUCH higher as before as it is not limited to porn anymore.
the number of porn sales did not decrease - it is the same as before but with more sites that WANT to sell it (so less customers for each one) so this 0,26% of consumer budget spend for porn is just shared in between more sellers.

as those sellers are limited on the profits they can make with porn they will never be able to spend the same money for advertising as people who are not limited to just one product. they can not buy traffic as it is too expensive for them and they will not get affiliate traffic as affiliates can make more money to sell the traffic to people that can pay more for it.

what is so hard to understand on that?

Sure. Barrier to entry is extremely low. Broadband internet is cheap, cell phones with pretty good cameras are easily had and the younger generation is more open to recording themselves in sexual acts for the world to see.

"Big budget" stuff doesn't really resonate with this generation either - if it's done "right", it does (Blacked, Tushy, etc) but the usual 4 lights, 2 cameras and $30 sheets in a bedroom doesn't really do that well anymore.

There's plenty of millions being made and there's plenty more people making $100k fucking their girlfriend / wife and monetizing it.

I know exactly who Duke is and what he's contributed to the industry. Paul is still insanely clueless about the size and scope of the industry, like he always is. :winkwink:

I guess you've never been in a bidding war for pops or top banner / video pre-roll spots on Pornhub / xVideos. :2 cents:

Their premium sides make substantially more than $12 CPM, too. :winkwink:

It's pretty obvious you don't do business with their premium side. Why would Pornhub bother with someone like you on a GFY thread started by a nobody? :1orglaugh

$45 CPM on pornhubpremium.com isn't unheard of.

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Wait, so you're saying the market didn't want to buy it? So it was worthless? Aka shit? :winkwink:

Talk to them. Stand in line at the AVN's and shoot the shit with the popular ManyVids and Chaturbate ladies. Not really that hard... or, ya know, actually be IN the industry still making good money. Neither of which you do. :winkwink:

You quoted the Viewshare rate, that is the PornHub's "paid" section, not the free section. Viewshare videos get much much less traffic than the free ones, of course.

The models usually use this option:

1) Free to Stream Pornhub* Videos earn Ad Revenue

:1orglaugh Yeah, models becoming millionaires on PH :1orglaugh

So ... 111M ALL TIME views with 0.64 average RPM for the free videos:

111 000 * 0.64 = $71,040 total

Joined: 4 years ago

71k / 48 months >>> she probably makes around $1,500 per month average (+pennies for paid video downloads) :2 cents:

With 208 free videos.

Would she make much more with proper pay site and the same amount of work + creativity?
I am 100% sure she would. :2 cents:

Please, stop being naive guys. :winkwink:

if a producer have 208 videos and sell the licence for 20 US each and have 20 customers - HOW MUCH will he make on it? ask your calculator.

and than HOW much did the models get paid from that?

and HOW MUCH will the model have IN ANOTHER 4 years ???

and by the way: she does have a pay site.

No shit? Go check it out.. the only working part of her "paysite" is the store.

Not saying she can't do both. She could and she should. But claiming models earn millions on PH is wrong and naive.

i think she is not the right example as this 24 year old chick does not even know yet what she want to be. but for this she makes a nice ammount of money with very different things.

https://www.famousbirthdays.com/peop...igo-white.html

That's top mainstream rate - doubt it. Show some proof - who has made that and off what content? Let's talk to some adult producers who are getting $12 CPM consistently when fucking ESPN can't get that.

They come in here all the time to correct bullshit, so they could be expected in this case, where you're slinging bullshit. What have you got to back that up? You're talking like you call them at home - point us to some of your shit that you've monetized at that rate.

Thommy explain this to me - is there any way what this dude is saying is true? What producer that we or anyone knows is getting $12 CPM from Pornhub all day every day?

Most people get .30 - .70 so I suspect he's full of it, but just in case, are you saying it is possible?

Like Trevesty said
https://help.pornhub.com/hc/en-us/ar...gs-calculated-
So yes they DO pay $45 per 1000 Pornhub Premium. If you can't read then stay out of convos you know nothing about. :2 cents:

yes her 111 mil isn't premium views so she won't get $45 per 1k but they do pay that for premium

So reading what's happening, seeing what companies are doing and doing business with 1,000s of companies and people leaves me clueless.

Pretty much yes, because you dont understand What's going on. You view it from your perspective and with your knowledge, but it dont mean you understand anything.

i think you are not deep enough in the traffic biz to understand that you can not generally talk about CPMs.

prices for traffic depend on so many things that you can speak in the best case of an overall CPM. $12 for the free views can not be an average but some part of the traffic can produce that.

i will give you an example:

let´s say a user from china with a mobile phone enters PH on the frontpage and klicks on a video he will already execute the pop on the front page.

also this user does not have a big value as it is not easy to monetize him.

now let´s say a user from switzerland with an IOS phone, mobile connection and carrier swisscom would enter a videopage directly - $12 US CPM would be not a very high price.
you forgot that there is not only one ad on this page and if you calculate 1 pop and 5 ads you have already 6 different advertisers that pay this $12 TOGETHER.
alone the pop to such a user would be around 5-8 dollars CPM.

about the $45 CPM in the paid area I made already a calculation - but also this calculation is based on the users GEO, the device, the OS and probably the carrier and/or browser.

sure it sounds better when a producer can say he sold 10 videos for 50 dollar to 10 customers. but on the long term it is not a biz as this 10 customers can not pay more than this 50 dollar per licence and it will be a one time payment.

imagine - if PH have 1 million videos online that get their share as long as they are online we are talking about millions and millions of revenue for thousands of right holders over the time.

away from that MOST of the amateur content on PH is second monetisation - and this is also in the interest of mindgeek, which as the operator of the big amateur portals also initially going the high-priced marketing way. most of these videos have already made several thousand dollars in the amateur portals but have already exceeded their life cycle there. on the long term they make now another few thousand as content that is monetized through advertising.

so the final profit of each production is FAR more than in the good old times.

the demand on paid videos is very limited - the demand on advertising is higher than the supply - so it's always the more lucrative and flexible way in a marketing chain.

wich is actually MUCH MORE than any paysite can spend for content.

count it: it she only got 72.000 for 205 videos this is more than 350 for each and it is not the end - in a few years it might be 600 or 700 for each.

and now show me a membersite that can afford to pay 700 for a single licence.

if that is true I should have never licensed flat out to Pornhub - dammit!


(PS: this means you need to take into consideration that they own a lot of the content on Pornhub Premium where they don't have to pay a share)

The proof has already been posted, dude. Just because you're too retarded to know how to read doesn't mean that I need to post more proof.

I talk to my friends who work on PH directly daily, yes. :thumbsup

So buyers switching from properly lit and shot porn to amateur style porn doesn't prove if the industry is shrinking or growing. It only indicates changing tastes.

trevesty is still insanely clueless about the size and scope of the industry, like he always is. :winkwink:

PornHub still pays Brazzers, for accounting purposes. (if that's what you mean) - they're both wholly owned subsidiaries of the parent company that operate more or less separately.

But if you mean licensed content from someone like you that PH themselves bought, yes you're likely right.