I guess you've never been in a bidding war for pops or top banner / video pre-roll spots on Pornhub / xVideos. :2 cents:

Their premium sides make substantially more than $12 CPM, too. :winkwink:

It's pretty obvious you don't do business with their premium side. Why would Pornhub bother with someone like you on a GFY thread started by a nobody? :1orglaugh

$45 CPM on pornhubpremium.com isn't unheard of.

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Wait, so you're saying the market didn't want to buy it? So it was worthless? Aka shit? :winkwink:

Talk to them. Stand in line at the AVN's and shoot the shit with the popular ManyVids and Chaturbate ladies. Not really that hard... or, ya know, actually be IN the industry still making good money. Neither of which you do. :winkwink:

You quoted the Viewshare rate, that is the PornHub's "paid" section, not the free section. Viewshare videos get much much less traffic than the free ones, of course.

The models usually use this option:

1) Free to Stream Pornhub* Videos earn Ad Revenue

:1orglaugh Yeah, models becoming millionaires on PH :1orglaugh

So ... 111M ALL TIME views with 0.64 average RPM for the free videos:

111 000 * 0.64 = $71,040 total

Joined: 4 years ago

71k / 48 months >>> she probably makes around $1,500 per month average (+pennies for paid video downloads) :2 cents:

With 208 free videos.

Would she make much more with proper pay site and the same amount of work + creativity?
I am 100% sure she would. :2 cents:

Please, stop being naive guys. :winkwink:

if a producer have 208 videos and sell the licence for 20 US each and have 20 customers - HOW MUCH will he make on it? ask your calculator.

and than HOW much did the models get paid from that?

and HOW MUCH will the model have IN ANOTHER 4 years ???

and by the way: she does have a pay site.

No shit? Go check it out.. the only working part of her "paysite" is the store.

Not saying she can't do both. She could and she should. But claiming models earn millions on PH is wrong and naive.

i think she is not the right example as this 24 year old chick does not even know yet what she want to be. but for this she makes a nice ammount of money with very different things.

https://www.famousbirthdays.com/peop...igo-white.html

That's top mainstream rate - doubt it. Show some proof - who has made that and off what content? Let's talk to some adult producers who are getting $12 CPM consistently when fucking ESPN can't get that.

They come in here all the time to correct bullshit, so they could be expected in this case, where you're slinging bullshit. What have you got to back that up? You're talking like you call them at home - point us to some of your shit that you've monetized at that rate.

Thommy explain this to me - is there any way what this dude is saying is true? What producer that we or anyone knows is getting $12 CPM from Pornhub all day every day?

Most people get .30 - .70 so I suspect he's full of it, but just in case, are you saying it is possible?

Like Trevesty said
https://help.pornhub.com/hc/en-us/ar...gs-calculated-
So yes they DO pay $45 per 1000 Pornhub Premium. If you can't read then stay out of convos you know nothing about. :2 cents:

yes her 111 mil isn't premium views so she won't get $45 per 1k but they do pay that for premium

So reading what's happening, seeing what companies are doing and doing business with 1,000s of companies and people leaves me clueless.

Pretty much yes, because you dont understand What's going on. You view it from your perspective and with your knowledge, but it dont mean you understand anything.

i think you are not deep enough in the traffic biz to understand that you can not generally talk about CPMs.

prices for traffic depend on so many things that you can speak in the best case of an overall CPM. $12 for the free views can not be an average but some part of the traffic can produce that.

i will give you an example:

let´s say a user from china with a mobile phone enters PH on the frontpage and klicks on a video he will already execute the pop on the front page.

also this user does not have a big value as it is not easy to monetize him.

now let´s say a user from switzerland with an IOS phone, mobile connection and carrier swisscom would enter a videopage directly - $12 US CPM would be not a very high price.
you forgot that there is not only one ad on this page and if you calculate 1 pop and 5 ads you have already 6 different advertisers that pay this $12 TOGETHER.
alone the pop to such a user would be around 5-8 dollars CPM.

about the $45 CPM in the paid area I made already a calculation - but also this calculation is based on the users GEO, the device, the OS and probably the carrier and/or browser.

sure it sounds better when a producer can say he sold 10 videos for 50 dollar to 10 customers. but on the long term it is not a biz as this 10 customers can not pay more than this 50 dollar per licence and it will be a one time payment.

imagine - if PH have 1 million videos online that get their share as long as they are online we are talking about millions and millions of revenue for thousands of right holders over the time.

away from that MOST of the amateur content on PH is second monetisation - and this is also in the interest of mindgeek, which as the operator of the big amateur portals also initially going the high-priced marketing way. most of these videos have already made several thousand dollars in the amateur portals but have already exceeded their life cycle there. on the long term they make now another few thousand as content that is monetized through advertising.

so the final profit of each production is FAR more than in the good old times.

the demand on paid videos is very limited - the demand on advertising is higher than the supply - so it's always the more lucrative and flexible way in a marketing chain.

wich is actually MUCH MORE than any paysite can spend for content.

count it: it she only got 72.000 for 205 videos this is more than 350 for each and it is not the end - in a few years it might be 600 or 700 for each.

and now show me a membersite that can afford to pay 700 for a single licence.

if that is true I should have never licensed flat out to Pornhub - dammit!


(PS: this means you need to take into consideration that they own a lot of the content on Pornhub Premium where they don't have to pay a share)

The proof has already been posted, dude. Just because you're too retarded to know how to read doesn't mean that I need to post more proof.

I talk to my friends who work on PH directly daily, yes. :thumbsup

So buyers switching from properly lit and shot porn to amateur style porn doesn't prove if the industry is shrinking or growing. It only indicates changing tastes.

trevesty is still insanely clueless about the size and scope of the industry, like he always is. :winkwink:

PornHub still pays Brazzers, for accounting purposes. (if that's what you mean) - they're both wholly owned subsidiaries of the parent company that operate more or less separately.

But if you mean licensed content from someone like you that PH themselves bought, yes you're likely right.

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"Properly" is subjective. Big studios still make great money. But people who shot like you did are extinct now or close to it, because it was shit to begin with. Years ago, it was all that there was - a pretty closed market with very little outside influence. Now the market has liberalized and dodo birds run around on industry boards whining.

I'm saying and have consistently said that magazine photographers for 1st rights solo girl image sets make $1800 from the US market, $1,000 from the UK and $600 from European markets. 1st rights last a year so at the end of the year we are free to sell 2nd rights $300 to $600 and anywhare and as many times as we liked. Not just me but everyone because that's what the magazines paid.

Then there was lesbian and boy/girl. Now tell me which sponsor pays that for every set.

Then we had the internet and sales there added another $1,000 absolute minimum. And as you can see 11 years after we shot our last model we are still selling our content.

trevesty knows nothing about the business or anything else.

A paysite would make enough for her to get a cameraman to shoot different angles close ups and still keep the amateur sound and lighting.

He's trying to bullshit other people into giving PH free content.

With all the 1,000s of contributing producers why have none posted here?

And how the fuck does he know, is he allowed to see their accounts?

$12 CPM means they have to sell clicks at a lot more than they do. Remember clicks to traffic ratio is very different.

Fake Taxi converts 1-35,000 on views from PH. $12 CPM would mean PH pay how much for the traffic?

Unless CPM = clicks per million. :1orglaugh

So how many views does she get on Pornhub Premium and how many does a site like Met Art get?

Well, I mean I am one, so there's that. :1orglaugh

Dipshit.

Edit: You seem to also forget that a) most don't post on GFY, because they don't want to deal with people like you and b) even the ones who do browse / sometimes post, they're not going to bother.

"If you know, you know" as it were.

Uh.... a bunch of studios are paying that per scene. Not for solo girl image sets, because there's no market for it anymore really.

However, most are shot exclusively, so none of this "2nd rights" BS. Still, a studio can easily make $5k per scene as long as they don't shoot like shit. :thumbsup

unbelievable that you argument and don´t even know what CPM means.

CPM is NOT Clicks it means CASH PER MILLE IMPRESSIONS you fullhonk

if something converts 1:35.000 and have a CTR of 0,5% it means that it converts 1:175

i really don´t know what you know about the online biz - i only know that my 4 year old grand daughter knows more than you.

you are lack on the most basic basics and with this knowledge you explain us how biz have to be done. you are by far the dumbest person that have ever posted on this board.

it still amazes me that he's allowed to post here. at best, he provides ad impressions. at worst, he gives shit advice / contributes worthless info to people browsing who may want to expand or learn.

which is the only reason I engage him. it's important imo that those people know guys like him are completely clueless and out of touch.

I am quite sure nobody see Paul as authority so you dont need to worry :) Beside, he start interesting topics, not everyone can be super smart in terms of discussion.

So after I point out the big mistake you made you change your story. Now big studios make great money after the type of viewers they had have moved to amateur content that has been available since day 1. You talk as if no one ever put a camera on a tripod until recently.

Saying amateur style was never available is another really dumb thing. Check out what I was shooting when you were still sucking on your Mum's tit. Do you even know what I was shooting in 1978?

So you produce and put content on Premium PH. So show us what you produce?

Here's mine. https://www.pornhub.com/video/search...+markham+teens

This was more recent. I switched styles because this style paid more.

we do not want to know it because we see that it lead you to nowhere.

who you want to impress with your carrier?
here you do not talk with dumb 18-year old czech girls that believed that you are the greatest porn producer in the world.

you are a grim, jealous and hate eaten old man who hasn't even managed to make enough money to live a carefree life at times when roasted chickens fell from the sky on their own.

you can at best serve as an example of how not to do it.

Show us the amateur site paying $5,000, if you can.

Magazine photographers were getting that money for solo girl sets. Video producers were getting $25,000 for scenes of the quality you say online pays $5,000. Which is why none shot content for the internet unless it was an add on for offline markets. Until offline was practically gone.

Yes most of you shot exclusive because you couldn't afford to wait for for the big money to flow in. We could afford to because I've been in the business since 1977 and made way more than what PH pay.

So give us advice that makes sense. Like can PH afford to pay $12 CPM on free traffic. Because without figures on how much traffic Premium PH videos are getting some giving out lies.

Also do Met Art, Fake Taxi level get more views than Amateur style after people have paid?

and you don´t make a fucking penny with it because they bought the rights for 2 dollar per video which is much too much for such a shit quality

even in that time when the video was made is was lowest amateur level
it was fucking easy to asskick this kind of "professionals" for everyone who can hold a camera and switch in on.

I've never changed my story. My whole point this entire time has been to illustrate that you're clueless.

I'll Paypal you $100 if you can screen shot where I said "amateur was never available". Quit twisting shit into your delusional worldview.

I don't care what you were shooting in 1978. It has exactly zero to do with 2019. :thumbsup