you are right and also wrong:

Real home made videos are real popular, but unless there is many of them they are not easy to monetize. And yes they do NOT have to be a good quality and people will watch.

Professional productions however have to be of a good quality, otherwise they will be rejected.

and there you have it:2 cents:

Oh I know, but I'm curious if you guys realize people like him are a big reason others don't post. Myself and others don't share shit exactly because nobodies like him will spend 3 hours talking about how it's this or that while having no clue about anything. This is why we do it on private Slacks / groups on Skype instead of here.

The people who matter know what I am and have been involved with. You're not one of them. I am only here to buy when good deals present themselves and put idiots like you in your place. Other places are for constructive discussion.

Well , we do have a plan to open a private section for discussions like this.

You abusing Paul is NOT Kosher...just ignore his threads if it bothers you and do not inflame the thread with insults and bad language. He has every right ( right of wrong) to post his opinions. Where does that hurt you ? He is a veteran of this industry and so am I. And you are right, I would not know what some thieves pay to other thieves per CPM . You seem to be on top of that. When I read here that somebody is " licensing 3,000 videos per month" or "selling 5,000 videos in bulk" I can "spell a thief buying from other thieves" and pretending that they are experts. No different then somebody walking into a bank with a gun and then claiming that they know business. Being on the " policing" end of our content I am familiar with such " experts" aside to many honest people here, I have met a few of the former ones here also.

So chill out.... or does the truth hurts ?

.... It's almost like you have no idea how the business works in 2019. At all. Your questions are so off base. :1orglaugh

Anyways, there's more people shooting more porn today than there ever was even 10 years ago. Likewise, consumption is substantially higher. Supply is at an all-time high as well as demand. This is what happens when markets liberalize.

25 years ago in the US, there were a few major studios with a few major distributors shipping to brick and mortar stores. Of course there was Joe Nobody in Wichita, KS, making a living selling DVD's of him fucking "amateurs" at his apartment, but that hardly made up any significant portion of the industry at the time. By and large, the industry was pretty closed off as far as production and distribution went until the internet became more accessible and prolific.

Today, if a 21 year old chick in Denver can make a decent video of her fucking her hung boyfriend, put it on PH / Modelhub, ManyVids, Clips4sale, then sell her premium Snapchat and Skype shows on the side, she can easily clear mid 6 figures per year in profit. She can make this per month if she's drop dead gorgeous, great performer and great hustler. There are quite a few who do.

At no point did I say that this is the norm for the industry-at-large now. But there's thousands of amateurs doing exactly this, and there's a whole lot of "studio" porn still coming out as well as faux-amateur from those same people - sometimes just under a different corporate umbrella.

Anyways, that PH number for premium views is pretty spot on. I've seen the monthly average be a bit lower and I've seen it be a bit higher. That doesn't mean you'll get the views, though. What does well on the free side usually does well on the premium side also. Hence AdultForce, New Sensations, MadCheddar, PaperStreetCash and Nubiles properties dominating with a few others like JulesJordan doing quite well.

But that's because all of them shoot very good content for today's market. Throwing up some cookie-cutter shit won't do well at all.

Regardless, the industry is substantially larger today especially revenue wise. Just the guys located in Montreal alone (Mindgeek, Gammae, Sex.com / Braincash) make way more money than you offline folks did even in the hayday of DVD. That doesn't include the big companies in the US, like Streamate and Chaturbate, and the massive companies in Europe / Russia.

No need ( see my post above).... Paul have asked a question and the " righteous" want to ban him. Instead of yelling in " private" advise the "perps"to stay away from such treads..voice of reason.

:1orglaugh There's no truth to what you said. Just a bunch of emotional hyperbole. :thumbsup

I'd be curious to see how you weed people out. :thumbsup

The PH Premium rate for Sept was $32.12 per 1000 views. It hasn't been $45 for quite a while. Its still strong though.

Unless it's about the EU, right?

I was saying you talk as if amateur was never available. It was available and I shot and sold amateur all my career. It just never paid as well as properly shot and lit porn. Today you talk bollocks if you think good amateur scenes pay more than the better level.

Any decent shooter can find couples to fuck each other with little lighting, lights, sound for very little. Well produced porn costs more and is harder to produce. So why would they bother?

Also the quote about this model's earnings were based on free views and so far no one has offered a return on the paid views in Premium.

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Yes you are a big man in the business withe inside knowledge. LOL

No one shoots professional productions if there's more money in amateur. The problem is there are fewer people who can shoot professional production standard. Then the law of supply and demand kicks in. Low supply high price, large supply low price.

As someone who shoots content what's the hardest to shoot professional productions or sticking a camera on a tripod and fucking?

That domain exists for e-mail only. :winkwink:

PH article itself was shared for premium (albeit very outdated). Nobody knows individual model deals for free views revshare. Thommy was pretty spot on about the monetization side, though, on free in general.

I know how the industry has changed over the last 30 years. Now that so much is free the industry can't support the better end as well as it used to. But you talk bollocks if you think girls can make 6 figures a year shooting themselves. Maybe a few do but the majority don't, purely on the supply and demand basis. If girls were mostly making 6 figures there would be 1,000s bringing down the income of all. And as you don't know what anyone earns without access to their accounts I say you're talking bollocks and all we can go by is conversion ratios and guestimates.

What this thread is about is has the industry grown or shrunk. All the people I've talked to or see post say it's shrunk.

Mostly nobodies posting about that kind of information on here and nobody with any authority on the issue would talk to you regardless. In other words you have shit info, and when others present it (like thommy and I have, who do have access to that information first hand in many cases), you deny deny deny and bullshit bullshit bullshit.

This post is exactly why I said to Klen above that nobody is willing to share anything on here because idiots like you will call "bollocks" and argue from a position of ignorance. It's a waste of time. :winkwink:

Here's the post he was replying to;

Which is worth what like $1110 bucks?

So the entire argument of what this girl earns is wrong.

So far no one has offered any concrete evidence and what we do know is views on the free site convert to paying customers at a rate of 1-35,000 and up.

111,000,000 / 35,000 = 3,171,428 x $45 CPM = $31,714.28

If I've done my sums right.

No worries I've been trolled by better than him.

The prices you quote are the prices the content pays these days. So the thing people come to see, isn't worth much now it's given away for free. Thankfully we made our money during the good times and I'me rich enough to retire.

So what ever you do is something you want kept secret. :1orglaugh

this is exactly what trevesty means. i did not explain you one but 100 times that a view on a banner is not what makes the conversion rate.

but you simply ignore this fact and come again and again with false facts.

that means either you do not understand this biz or you want to throw false facts in a discussion.

you are endless dumb !!!!!
go back to school if some school accepts you

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This thread has a good topic, but I feel like Paul just made it to start arguments.

Agreed. :thumbsup

I thought his post was about what the girl earns, not what PornHub earns, since he mentioned "if she had done it right". Re-read my post here where I explain that:
https://gfy.com/22540749-post86.html

Those $45 per 1000 was the rate in PH Premium (Viewshare), which is indented for producers / paysite owners, the current rate is lower, as Axeman mentioned. The girl Indigo White gets paid for the free views, not the premium views.

They have a formula to calculate the Viewshare rate and it is not based on ad sales since the Premium section doesn't have any, it is ad-free.

The formula is 10% of gross revenue / all viewshare views = RATE

If solo models earned hundreds of thousands of dollars on PornHub, all pornstars would quit their job and film themselves instead of working with producers. :2 cents:

Paid membership is one of the ways to make it work :)

Their premium side is Ad-free, the rate is calculated based on the revenue from the premium program.

correct - i mentioned that before

Don't be a asshole.

So what he is talking about is the few that are in the premium content. Different from free CPM.

Dickhead, if you were any kind of baller we'd know it. And you're conflating a premium area with free traffic. Why don't you keep a civil tongue in your head. Further, why don't you get your buddy from Pornhub that you talk to every day to pop in and give us a talk? Stefan is long time content sales and he apparently wasn't aware of these purported ratios either. If they really are doing $12/CPM wouldn't you think they'd want to send someone other than a thumb–up–his–ass minion like you to tell the world?

I don't think anyone claimed that. I said that about PH + ManyVids + Clips4sale.. ad nauseum. A lot of the girls who shoot professional porn do that for whatever reason, but most don't have much of a presence outside of that. Most of the girls who hustle on Chaturbate, PH (as verified models), have a premium Snapchat and OnlyFans, etc., are hustlers. That's not the norm for porn models in general.

That's also like saying if any successful person here wrote a step-by-step guide on how to make 100k / year on auto-pilot with a $10 DO droplet and Wordpress, then everyone who has an affiliate account at say, CrakRevenue, would automatically make $100k / year because the knowledge exists and someone wrote a thorough how-to. That would be a ridiculously stupid claim to make. :winkwink:

I've always been talking about the premium side.

But PornHub making (themselves; not models) $12 CPM is extremely likely on their free side. Will they come and post that to some blowhard on GFY? No. In what world does that make sense for them business-wise? Not to mention most of those companies have strict internal policy about NOT posting on GFY and Xbiz because of people like you and Paul. :winkwink:

I didn't claim to be a baller, but even if I was, I doubt you'd know it. I don't broadcast who or what or how on here - I've been pretty clear about that.

The price of a professionally shot solo girl custom scene is usually $700-$1000 in EU.
B/G can easily be $1200 or more depending on the model and location.

If the paysite owners shoot their own content, the costs for them drop a bit, but not really that much. Models usually charge 200-300€ per solo scene, then there is the cost of apartment, agency fee, makeup and travel expenses.

Most of the well known paysites definitely can afford paying those $700+ per exclusive scene and that is just for solo.

And yes, what this girl earns for one of her solo videos on PH is a bit higher than what models get for one solo girl shoot, yes... but...

But not every girl is determined, patient and creative enough to be this successful, to keep shooting new original stuff, and that is why pornstars still film porn with producers - they are lazy and need someone to tell them what to do. Creativity, if the model has some, is work too. If a model does 3 shoots per week, that is most likely more than 4,000€ monthly for her with no need to be creative and care about anything.

This is not going to harm porn producers. Producing good content takes much more than a hot girl.

:2 cents:

Definitely agreed. Plenty to go around for everyone, really.

The discussion on how much an amateur model makes has been going on for the 10+ years I have been in this Industry. While times and business strategies have changed some things remain the same:

How much a girl model can make depends greatly on how hard she works, how much content she produces, and how smart/focused she is on monetizing that content.

Is 100K a year reasonable? Yes. $200,000+ a year? Only for a select few. Most can probably earn 40-50k a year, which is a decent living in most places not named New York or San Francisco. LOL

Correct.. that's why I say it takes much more than just a hot girl. It's like running a solo girl paysite with a model - most girls quit when they realize it requires work and dedication.

If you were anything, you'd learn to converse without insults. That you can't, and that you can't produce any proof of your claims, argues that you posses a juvenile mind and mindset.
Stop being a child and accept that in the real world, you sometimes have to justify your claims, even to a skeptical audience. Message: be a man and provide some stats. If you do, I'll accept them. If you just keep lobbing inept and ineffective insults, it will prove that you have nothing.

This one is a professional model so that would answer why she has so many views. The question here is, if she can earn that good money on PH, why has she only uploaded 14 videos in 9 months and why she keeps shooting porn with producers instead? .. :winkwink:

Can't and won't are two very different things. I don't have to justify anything to you. You my wife? Accountant? Lawyer? IRS? Didn't think so.

I mean, you can just go try to buy pops and bid for first impression in the US on PornHub and find out for yourself.

But you're not relevant in today's market, are you? Because even if you were a program owner on the production side, you'd hopefully be smart enough to have someone working for you who at least kept tabs on stuff like this if you didn't personally.

There's a whole, massive world making very serious amounts of money outside of Porn Valley. :winkwink: It's interesting to me that the content shooters I know who are relevant today even know this stuff... I mean, it just takes striking up a conversation with any of the models who do it after finding their self-submitted stuff on PornHub or similar.. takes a whole 5 minutes. :winkwink:

I did start it with the intention of starting a discussion. Sadly others prefer to argue and I can't allow bullshit from them to dominate.

Not only porn stars but sites that are now trying to get out and sell their content would be uploading it to PH and making millions. If a girl can make so much from her work how much can sites make?

Study the threads trevesty has started, does this guy look like someone with inside knowledge of what porn stars make?