How many non-exclusive sets did you sell for $5k? Not many if you failed. :2 cents:

$3,000 for UK and US license for one year, $600 for various EU license, $1,400 for online sales. This is for a solo girl image set, PRO paid more for the video that went with the set, Seventeen paid $600 for a set and a video. Roald has said they have most of our content.

Lesbian and B/G paid even more in all markets.

You came into the market not under the illusion that online was the best place to sell content. Experienced shooters were aware of far better markets, which is why I'm the only offline content provider who sold online via his own stores. People like DDF and Viv Thomas found webmasters who could run their sites for them.

The problem was all the people I approached wanted me to give them all my content on a 50/50 split of the profits and no control over the back end of the site. So I turned them down as that was a recipe for con men. If a webmaster had built and run a site for me he could of made a fortune and we would have shot what the online market desired.

Please quantify "failed". Because If selling sets for $5.000 is a failure then we failed and so did you and other people.

you dident answer the question

It illustrates how little these guys know about porn.

The most important thing about porn content is getting the right model for the style and niche. Then how the content is shot, this takes the real skill. Models need directing to suit them and the content, too blase they need to be coaxed, too nervous they need reassuring, etc. The right poses and angles are important. Today lighting is pretty easy if you know what you're doing. Back in the day of film all we had were light meters, special Polaroid cameras and experience.

Try shooting anything indoors without light and see what a mess it is. People who claim to shoot pictures on an iPhone have never owned a phone or they would know they're talking stupid. :1orglaugh

Your own thread where you said you failed.

The answer is the majority. Some like the lesbian sets and boy/girl sold for far more. What made our sales so high was getting the online sales. If you knew anything about this business you would know why the earnings were so high offline.

Imagine all the porn customers in the US/UK having only 12 major companies to buy magazines from. Penthouse, Playboy, PRO, Galaxy, etc. The only way to compete is by customer loyalty, men buying the same mag year in and year out. To get that they had to pay the best price, something online failed miserably at.

Magazine shooters like Suze Randall, Viv Thomas, Steve Colby, Steve Hicks, etc without a huge budget. Similar happened with the video market. Do you think companies like Vivid, Private were spending $3,000 per scene?

What I've used is the production side of the industry to give you an idea of it's size. Now treble it to see the size of the retail end and Europe and the rest of the world. All online did wad combine the two retail and production to discover the vast wealth in porn. Then split it with 10,000+ sites selling porn and 10.000 giving it away for.

Now people see the high traffic numbers and believe few were buying porn before online gave it to them. Imagine 12 companies like Mindgeek in the business. Fabian Thylmann only put lots of companies together by giving away more than anybody else.

So when I see stupid people saying we failed, then think what must of happened to StefanG, Trainwreck content, etc. And the majority of paysites, affiliates and others desperate to keep secret what they do?

Hahaha, Paul, you are a riot!

And you still did not answer the question - how many sets at $5000 a piece did you sell per month?

I'll help - a valid answer would be for example 5.

And not a wall of text trying to deflect. ;)

But keep in mind: your company records are public.

And I know my content business has no future. But I knew this years ago and that's why I left and do totally different stuff today.

Now I could tell you too about all the other things you are wrong about, but since you will as always completely ignore what I say, I'll save my time and effort.

But for the love of God - it's must HAVE and not must of...

Nah man.... that's correct Medieval Phonetic Englisch....

So how many sets did you sell for $5,000 and still own?

My company records are not for you to review so don't say they are. It doesn't take a genius to know for 90% this business wouldn't last. They killed the golden goose.

To shoot magazine sets for the return we were getting they had to be shot on film. Producers had to first go to meet editors to get them to look at the work. They had to be of new girls who hadn't worked for anyone else. The girls had to be pretty or better and probably teens. They had to be shot right for print. They had to include cover shots. They had to be of the right poses.

Not even Dean Capture could consistently hit all those stipulations and we could. Magazines weren't a market where buyers were interested in price, was it exclusive, number of images and length of the video. They were a market that had 8 sets to buy and a lot of regular suppliers already who they preferred because they knew we would supply the right goods month after month.

So in short: you don't want to tell.

And this is not about me, you are the one who claims to be rich because you sold $5000 sets that no one else could shoot.

And you are wrong about public records but we'll leave it at that.

So send me the url of the site that shows our records.

A content producer who knows nothing about the business of producing content. Offline paid way more than online, end of lesson. Still no URL or street address PM to me of where Stefan found my company records.

ok agree - 100 big offline magazines in 1990 paid much more than 500.000 paysites did in 2014.

the only problem was that you could only sell to 2 or 3 of them or mostly exclusive to 1 only.

i am really not sure where you learned the maths - but you failed.

and that you do not even know how easy it is where and how to get your company details and records online shows that you know nothing about the internet.

so go and find a forum for offliners and cry with them together. ohhh. i forgot - they do not even know how to use a board and that´s why nothing like that exists.
to make such a board would make the same sense as to make a board for neanderthales.
that´s why neandersthales have to go to homo sapiens boards and tell the homo sapiens that he is an error of the evolution.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...9-adapted.html

Maybe Thommy knows the answer.

wrong !

the market knows the answer - if someone thinks the market will run after him he will fail.
as you do not even know what "market" means it is senseless to explain that no airplanes will be build no pilots will be needed, no airlines will survive and no airports will be even planed if no one wants to fly.

What?? I though VR porn was a gold mine ...

:1orglaugh

I sold my half of the production company in the year where we had the highest revenue in our history.

So when I speak about my content business now, I only mean the content shop. And licensed content surely has no future, there are no clients anymore.

I don't know about the porn industry but this thread sure is growing!

Sure, Paul, I know nothing at all about content.

But obviously you can't even use Google ;)

I love this...

Print publishing is having a bit of a resurgence, but I'm just going to say that I did writing and/or photography for pretty much all the big magazine publishers in the 90's -- Playboy, Penthouse, Flynt, AVN, Magna, Crescent etc. plus publishing Blue Blood -- and my jaw fucking dropped when I got my first membership site check.

Admittedly, I started off online with the advantage of already having an offline following, but I feel very qualified to say that content online, at least for many years, paid exponentially more than successful offline did before it.

That said, it is trickier to figure out the best ways for a webmaster to monetize today. For example, I'd love to just produce quality exclusive content and post it for free and monetize with ads and affiliate up sells, but the reality is that content wouldn't be exclusive for a minute. Even my non-adult publications have to compete with Facebook and such for eyeballs and knowing basic programmatic advertising doesn't change that.

Nobody expects the secret sauce recipe for free, but it would be nice to see more implementable suggestions than just, "FFS, don't follow Paul's example."

He knows fuck all about the magazine business.

The cost of production would bankrupt you.

Are you as sure about that as you are about the fact that nobody knows me in this biz?

All the "tears" for none. It is simple, produce a good quality content and sell from your own site and stay in business. Yes, there are pirates ( we fight them a lot) but the core business remains essentially the same for the past 12 years since we launched. Our production costs went up during the decade, but so did our revenue, so all in all the net revenue remains about the same.:2 cents:

how can you know ?

amerla said yes and does it you say no and don´t do it.

and what costs of production? you paid a girl 300 $ A DAY !!!
how many scenes you can shoot in a day ? 4, 5, 6 ?

so what costs are you talking about ? you even shot with SD camera when every amateur was using already HD.

I do not understand why you always want to be smarter as the ones that are DOING IT.

you just assume things with that little nut in your head that you call brain.
you did even not good in the good times paul - you can´t because you are not creative and you do not have a single clue of marketing.

the stupidest one still in business today would have become a millionaire in your time. you're not - so you can't even handle simple things - how do you want to understand complex things or judge them?

This is exactly right. :thumbsup

Going on 11 years now with this same strategy. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

So did you ever experienced the business pre tubes?

Would love to see your site, PM me a link.

Glad there are more of us :thumbsup

we launched in October 2007... so, tubes were about BUT I did not pay attention to which ones.

as to my site ? Only if you keep it in strict confidence.:2 cents:

Will keep it between you and I and not share it.

How many of us adapted to other sides of the industry successfully?