I know and the need to adapt was forced on you. That's why in another thread I said restrictions on the amount given away for free has to enforced on the industry by an outside force. Because left to us we will give away as much as we can. Then some will claim it's making even more money.

And owner of LiveJasmin alone is worth over $6 billion USD. :thumbsup

what you are trying to say here is the same what happens between online oand offline years ago.

offline did not sell us and we made it by ourself and who got fucked? THEY !

now you want the producers don´t sell anymore to the tubes because they give it for free.

you know what will happen?

they produce it or give every amateur with a home camera 5 dollar per clip and the whole fucking poor world will do it.
and you know who get fucked then?

you are overestimating your importance and this is the reason why all of you arrogant idiots fail.

you do not have an oil field in your garden.
EVERY FUCKING HUMAN ON THIS PLANET have the same oil field.
go and compete with them and see where you will end.

the tubes will always give the content for free and not you or anybody else will stop that because this is their biz model and they make much more as you clowns ever made with it.

No point of arguing with such folks. Most live off clicks gained from dodgy ( being polite here) content and recycling the same cam girl over and over. Most have a tube, and are throwing traffic back and forth to gain more clicks. It makes money until the audience figures out the scam and they will. Then what...? OK get more tubes and more clicks from the same shit. I always laugh on statements like these:

" license available for 30,000 scenes for 300 dollars"
" I have 100 tubes and am looking for content"
" will build you a tube in 10 minutes for 10 dollars"

and on it goes. The industry today has very few decent content producers but many idividuals who steal content, and when they get caught, they scream: " free internet".

I actually had one recently threatening me with "hell and fury" because I have shut down his profitable Youtube channel which had a lot of our stolen content ( edited for Youtube)....Thieves have no shame.

keep your head high Paul.

But they are Not giving it away 'in order to sell porn'... They are giving it away in order to sell advertising. :2 cents:

this !!!!

why you are calling them "such folks" do you really think all of them have to steal content or do random embed stuff?

what you are talking about are not the big boys - they are the ones that eat finger nails.

i do not have one in our network that is not buying his content. why should they steal? content is so cheap and the most affiliate programs even PAY to give them free content and get in return a banner to this video page
why should they do that if it is not working?

Missing the point

1970:

He was born on 24 May 1970 in Budapest.
2001:

György Gattyán created the webcam site LiveJasmin in 2001, providing adult content service based on streaming technology which today generates the greatest traffic among all adult content provider websites in the world.

while he was still in school, other guys had already made moves in the industry. in another 30/40 years it will be guys that maybe aren't even born yet the biggest guys in the industry.

Paul did you retire from porn OR did porn retire from YOU?

Think about it. :)

You can pull Paul out of porn but you cant pull the porn out of Paul.

So you're wrong.

The thing is that these guys could be earning more if tubes didn't exist. Or is running tubes simpler than putting TGPs. They could be making far more if they could also produce content in an industry not dedicated to giving it away for free.

The thing is from day one they have fought to bring the bar lower to allow more people into the industry to share the sales with. That has had a detrimental effect on everyone's income.

Advertising porn.

If mainstream came into the market to buy advertising on a scale similar to TV or Radio, they would have enough to produce/buy porn. But it won't so it's left to porn sites to buy traffic from porn tubes.

why should we sell clicks to an industry that is not able to pay the prices we need?

or why should we give them clicks for free or on our risk?
we're not the salvation army.

everyone who have a product that sells and gives him enough profit to buy the advertising is welcome. if they do not have this product why blame the publishers ?

porn is still sold on tubes but no tube would survive with this small income.

if you look at PH or redtube and you see ads for pornsites it is because they do not have a buyer IN THIS SECOND with a high bid for this traffic.

the advertising revenues from other things than porn member sites makes 90% of the tube revenues. and even in this 10% are 4/5 from cams (but i know cams are not porn for you either because you did not produce them).

finally understand that the horse you have ridden is dead and rotten. today many new horses ride much faster and much more lucrative than you can imagine in your dreams.

Anyone who " buys" 1000 scenes for 100 bucks, is knowingly buing from thieves. That was my point. It is easily given away for free if it is stolen in the first place.

So let me get this straight, you don't respect an industry that gives away more than it needed to do, in return, because some people in the industry do that, you don't feel you have to respect anyone in this industry, but in the same breath expect those in the industry to respect you, because you were successful selling porn mags in the 70's and 80's, but failed to adapt to the new direction the industry went?

Doesn't compute at fucking all there, bud.

Nobody on this board owes you a fucking thing.

Your attitude is poor and you're highly disrespectful to everyone you engage with that doesn't bury their fucking nose up your asshole like celadina here does.

I don't care if you're Hugh Hefner and acted that way, I'd still say this shit to you.

You were born nobody, you will die a nobody, and the only thing that matters is how you treat people in between those two moments. So maybe you should humble the fuck up a bit and show a bit of courtesy to other people and maybe they'll show you the same.

Times are not like they were 50 years ago. Your number of times rotating around the sun on a space rock does not guarantee that others must show you respect.

i do not talk about 1000 scenes for 100 bucks.
but there are so many that sell 10.000 scenes for 25.000 or 30.000 bucks that I do not even have to search much to find them.

even newer content can be found around 5-6 € when one is buying a lot.

and last not least there are paysites that do not only give a 12 or 15 minutes clips - they PAY when tubes are showing them.

so for WHAT should someone steal them?

Paul will NEVER understand that business case, and why its golden when scaled up to millions of views

Have a good weekend, guys :laughing- . . .

They have no clue what goes into producing good content. This is a side of the business that values content on, exclusivity, price, length of video and number of images. Which is why most of it is crap. Only companies like Met Art can call their product high quality because of the thought that goes into producing the content.

Companies like Twistys was a poor second to Penthouse.

So who didn't give away more than they should have? Not affiliates or sites.

I don't care if people I don't respect to respect me, why would I?

I don't respect idiots who don't know I was selling to mags up to 2008 and getting paid on them as late as 2010.

I don't respect idiots who still insist I should have adapted to a market that paid less than the market I knew and was good at.

At last you understand no one in business owes no one else in the business anything. Other than dealing with them honestly.

I couldn't care less what you think of me because you refuse to tell us what you do. Which is the norm for so many poster.

I now see where you're coming from. You want the respect of people on a board who you don't know, will never meet and never do business with. By refusing to tell people what you do.

A business the puts views higher in value than sales will never be golden.

What do you do?

I intend to, soccer is on the TV.

Infrastructure consulting and transitions. Mostly Infrastructure as code in multiregion selfhealing designs. Security review for ISO/GDPR/compliance

so if this is all crap and met-art is the thing people will buy, where is the problem?

we are ok with the crap and make millions out of it buy giving it for free.

met-art is still in biz - maybe you should try to offer them your HQ products - if you are right they will buy it.

it is not you, not me and not met-art that make the rules - it is the market.
no one will come up with the idea of met-art forbidding to do what they do.
met-art is aimed at its market and we at ours. it is so simple.

did you check how many news you get for free on the net every day? and did you ever think that you had to pay before the net existed when you bought a newspaper?

probably the most remarkable part of this fact is that many publishers who didn't want to get away from paper and subscriptions are bankrupt today. the others who adapted it and no longer finance themselves through subscriptions but advertising are again making huge profits.

don´t even try to explain him what that is.

what paul also does not see is that the existence of free sites with advertising is the reason that people that do not like advertising join a paid area.

paul is praising even on his facebook page ABP adblocker - wich means - that people who are using an adblocker do not have ANY reason to pay at all.

see how far he thinks?
his vision ranges from 12PM to noon.

So you know nothing about the actual business of selling porn.

Where is yor website or haven't you reached that level yet?

First off, I don't give a fuck if any of you dolts respect me.

Second, many on this board know who I am and what I do, as I have done business with them.. Just because YOU don't, doesn't mean I refuse to tell people what I do.

I have said many times what I do on this board, maybe you should stop waiting for comments just so you can spew your dumbfuckery and actually read other peoples posts and you'd learn.

I had been in adult since 2000, and have ran MANY successful and unsuccessful websites. I was one of the first people to make serious bank off Paris Hilton's sex tape, and also one of the first sites in the genre of solo girl/babe websites.

I had also bought and sold many premium adult domains.

Now days I spend my time in mainstream building B2B SaaS products.

Yeah, thats right... People pay me $300/hour just to randomly click around their admin section and designing new architecture for site mergers, because random facerolling through MS Visual Coder generates retaining UX's that works with all Geo. traffic.


You win the price for bring the most ignorant idiot pretending to be in the business.

Holding yourself to your own standart, you know nothing about selling porn online, because you never made a real profit (you public company records show it) and yet you spend most your time here running your stupid mouth... Broke ass troll. You should stick to counting your foodstamps

He should have hired one of you guys to fix his magic (broken) join links when he had the chance...

he paid his girls 300 a day and as he said sold it for 5000.

and he calls that "fair".

So you failed at porn and only made a living during the time it was easy.

As for solo girl websites, how many sets and videos did you buy for $2,000?

The point of a website is obvious. Sites aren't for telling those who already know what you do. They are to find new and better customers so you increase your income. By working on new business, better paying business or increasing business. Absolute fundamentals in marketing such as "the moving market" where one has to replace lost business.

Another self proclaimed idiot who knows nothing.

Your skills are in building/repairing websites not in porn or selling porn. If you can't tell the difference I doubt if you do this. Where is your website? And don't tell us you don't need one.

You win the price for bring the most ignorant idiot pretending to be in the business. Out of your own mouth.

why are you trying to turn over every answer you get that doesn't fit into your world view?

he wrote clearly that he was also a webmaster in the porn biz and not unsuccessful.

if he now gets 300 dollars an hour for what he is particularly good at, why should he do anything else?

if you had had the chance in your life to earn 300 an hour then you wouldn't have thought about it for a second.

because someone here can do something especially well and earn his bread with it does not mean that he has no idea of the rest. the only one who has ZERO knowledge of anything is you.

Time to start a new death pool?

You can vote for yourself, Dave won that way.

What's the difference between a hand full of mags and 10 thousands of paysites?
What's the diffenrence between 1 x $5000 and 50 x $2000?

The market decided that Paul was getting overpaid at $5000 per set.
Paul's ego didn't agree with it so he refused to make another dime.
He learned the market a lesson not to fuck with him......... by simply retiring.
The market cries since then and never recovered the loss of Paul's absence.

All my new customers come through LinkedIn and word of mouth. That is why I spend so much time traveling and meeting people face-2-face. And its thanks to GFY and two major fails right after 2003 I ALWAYS meet people face-2-face before doing any business.

I BUILD companies and sell them at a profit, so my "brand" is ME.

One of my new services go live this weekend - keep an eye on the site https://www.XXXroi.com - will be sold within 6 months. I always have an exit strategy when starting new projects. The only thing I keep forever is my lovely wife and my old Vintage Toyota Land Cruiser.

It's one of five services I provide.

how many times do you think they pay him 5000 when they find out that the model got 300 for the job?

how many really good photographers would like to do that cheaper ?

look this guy i.e

https://pepbonet.com/portfolio/

this is called a photographer and he is also doing erotic shootings (really fine art)
he was already available in paul´s time for 250 per day.

I have spend millions in the past 23 years buying content, paying photographers and camera guys, producing content and licence content - i don´t really know why paul thinks we are all a bit dumb.

sounds like an interesting project and I am curious to see it but something is wrong with your ssl.

It's not live :-)

It points to the front of my AWS floudfront cache thats empty atm. Will go live within the next 48 hours

Jesus christ you're an idiot.

iI was not referring to you specifically....But, if you look at the Content Market section of GFY you will see I was not far from the truth. If you buy a scene for 5 Euros then it is either a real shit or stolen. Period and full stop. Anybody who sells 10,000 scenes for 25,000 is selling a scene for 2,50. It just proves my point....but hey time to move on. :thumbsup

No disrespect to Thommy, but I couldn't help thinking that what you said was almost identical to an old Paul Markham quote...

GFY goes full circle lol :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :thumbsup

actually i was referring to this old markham quote.

the difference is that he have no buyers for the price he wants but we do have more than enough buyers for the high priced clicks.

and i just recommend you to have a look in his sig - does that not say all about his "facts" ?

Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
All downloadable from Dropbox. PM me for a deal.

but paul sells his shit for 0,75 - did he steal it?

and believe me there is much much more like this around and LEGAL.

if you can sell a scene 300 times for 5 what makes the difference as when you sell it 30 times for 50?

Ahhh... We are on the same page then :)

GFY is a hobby.

Take care of yourself Paul. Who cares what people say on GFY, we all know who are the real peeps in this industry, who talks shit, who talks a big game and the rest is just noise.

Sending you a load of positive vibrations for what ever over challenges life is throwing at you. <3

There are reasons people sell their content for less than we think it should be worth.

1) Online is the only place they can sell it.

2) Online is a secondary market or even third.

3) It's old content.

5) It's from a failed project.

4) They can sell it so many times the return is good.

Even shit costs money to produce. But for many this is the only place to sell.

Thank you. One of my regrets is not meeting and shooting some content with you Ariel.