So tell me how much porn shops, x rated tv, telephone lines, magazines made in Germany and the US.

Agreed about offline customers now consuming free online. That's where most of your customers came from.

Bullshit. Tell that to Flynt, Hefner, Gold, Sullivan, etc.

Stop displaying your lack of knowledge about everything.

Today anyone earning a six figure income is doing well and you point that out with your posts.

Zero point in bring her into a comment

Now nope paul wouldn't, BUT back in the day paul would win all the time because the amount of producers was so small he had hardly any competition, the same reason his content was in every single adult magazine going. Now magazine have loads of choice about who to work with and which content to use and buy.


Shooting custom content thats so niche that one guy wants to wank over is totally different then 30 year old content package together of generic teens.

Paul charged $5k for a pic and video scene, so back in the day paul wins.

Adult Magazines here in the UK still pay $500 for 1 picture set.

Paul didn't adapt and thought the internet was fad, that was his biggest downfall then and being bitter about it ever since.

All I do is point out the failure of giving away for free in order to sell porn. That pisses the ones who have no alternative off big time.

If I was a mom and pop store at best where's your site so we can see how good it is.

I'm not exceptional for offline content creators. A lot of us made far more than online guys did.

I also give respect where it's due. The problem is I can't respect a business that from the beginning has tried to give away more than it needed to.

Why adapt to a market that paid far less? How does one adapt to a business like this in your opinion, what did I do wrong?

According to The Sunday Times Rich List in 2019, Sullivan is worth £1.15 billion

^^^^^

Thank you.

I know and the need to adapt was forced on you. That's why in another thread I said restrictions on the amount given away for free has to enforced on the industry by an outside force. Because left to us we will give away as much as we can. Then some will claim it's making even more money.

And owner of LiveJasmin alone is worth over $6 billion USD. :thumbsup

what you are trying to say here is the same what happens between online oand offline years ago.

offline did not sell us and we made it by ourself and who got fucked? THEY !

now you want the producers don´t sell anymore to the tubes because they give it for free.

you know what will happen?

they produce it or give every amateur with a home camera 5 dollar per clip and the whole fucking poor world will do it.
and you know who get fucked then?

you are overestimating your importance and this is the reason why all of you arrogant idiots fail.

you do not have an oil field in your garden.
EVERY FUCKING HUMAN ON THIS PLANET have the same oil field.
go and compete with them and see where you will end.

the tubes will always give the content for free and not you or anybody else will stop that because this is their biz model and they make much more as you clowns ever made with it.

No point of arguing with such folks. Most live off clicks gained from dodgy ( being polite here) content and recycling the same cam girl over and over. Most have a tube, and are throwing traffic back and forth to gain more clicks. It makes money until the audience figures out the scam and they will. Then what...? OK get more tubes and more clicks from the same shit. I always laugh on statements like these:

" license available for 30,000 scenes for 300 dollars"
" I have 100 tubes and am looking for content"
" will build you a tube in 10 minutes for 10 dollars"

and on it goes. The industry today has very few decent content producers but many idividuals who steal content, and when they get caught, they scream: " free internet".

I actually had one recently threatening me with "hell and fury" because I have shut down his profitable Youtube channel which had a lot of our stolen content ( edited for Youtube)....Thieves have no shame.

keep your head high Paul.

But they are Not giving it away 'in order to sell porn'... They are giving it away in order to sell advertising. :2 cents:

this !!!!

why you are calling them "such folks" do you really think all of them have to steal content or do random embed stuff?

what you are talking about are not the big boys - they are the ones that eat finger nails.

i do not have one in our network that is not buying his content. why should they steal? content is so cheap and the most affiliate programs even PAY to give them free content and get in return a banner to this video page
why should they do that if it is not working?

Missing the point

1970:

He was born on 24 May 1970 in Budapest.
2001:

György Gattyán created the webcam site LiveJasmin in 2001, providing adult content service based on streaming technology which today generates the greatest traffic among all adult content provider websites in the world.

while he was still in school, other guys had already made moves in the industry. in another 30/40 years it will be guys that maybe aren't even born yet the biggest guys in the industry.

Paul did you retire from porn OR did porn retire from YOU?

Think about it. :)

You can pull Paul out of porn but you cant pull the porn out of Paul.

So you're wrong.

The thing is that these guys could be earning more if tubes didn't exist. Or is running tubes simpler than putting TGPs. They could be making far more if they could also produce content in an industry not dedicated to giving it away for free.

The thing is from day one they have fought to bring the bar lower to allow more people into the industry to share the sales with. That has had a detrimental effect on everyone's income.

Advertising porn.

If mainstream came into the market to buy advertising on a scale similar to TV or Radio, they would have enough to produce/buy porn. But it won't so it's left to porn sites to buy traffic from porn tubes.

why should we sell clicks to an industry that is not able to pay the prices we need?

or why should we give them clicks for free or on our risk?
we're not the salvation army.

everyone who have a product that sells and gives him enough profit to buy the advertising is welcome. if they do not have this product why blame the publishers ?

porn is still sold on tubes but no tube would survive with this small income.

if you look at PH or redtube and you see ads for pornsites it is because they do not have a buyer IN THIS SECOND with a high bid for this traffic.

the advertising revenues from other things than porn member sites makes 90% of the tube revenues. and even in this 10% are 4/5 from cams (but i know cams are not porn for you either because you did not produce them).

finally understand that the horse you have ridden is dead and rotten. today many new horses ride much faster and much more lucrative than you can imagine in your dreams.

Anyone who " buys" 1000 scenes for 100 bucks, is knowingly buing from thieves. That was my point. It is easily given away for free if it is stolen in the first place.

So let me get this straight, you don't respect an industry that gives away more than it needed to do, in return, because some people in the industry do that, you don't feel you have to respect anyone in this industry, but in the same breath expect those in the industry to respect you, because you were successful selling porn mags in the 70's and 80's, but failed to adapt to the new direction the industry went?

Doesn't compute at fucking all there, bud.

Nobody on this board owes you a fucking thing.

Your attitude is poor and you're highly disrespectful to everyone you engage with that doesn't bury their fucking nose up your asshole like celadina here does.

I don't care if you're Hugh Hefner and acted that way, I'd still say this shit to you.

You were born nobody, you will die a nobody, and the only thing that matters is how you treat people in between those two moments. So maybe you should humble the fuck up a bit and show a bit of courtesy to other people and maybe they'll show you the same.

Times are not like they were 50 years ago. Your number of times rotating around the sun on a space rock does not guarantee that others must show you respect.

i do not talk about 1000 scenes for 100 bucks.
but there are so many that sell 10.000 scenes for 25.000 or 30.000 bucks that I do not even have to search much to find them.

even newer content can be found around 5-6 € when one is buying a lot.

and last not least there are paysites that do not only give a 12 or 15 minutes clips - they PAY when tubes are showing them.

so for WHAT should someone steal them?

Paul will NEVER understand that business case, and why its golden when scaled up to millions of views

Have a good weekend, guys :laughing- . . .

They have no clue what goes into producing good content. This is a side of the business that values content on, exclusivity, price, length of video and number of images. Which is why most of it is crap. Only companies like Met Art can call their product high quality because of the thought that goes into producing the content.

Companies like Twistys was a poor second to Penthouse.

So who didn't give away more than they should have? Not affiliates or sites.

I don't care if people I don't respect to respect me, why would I?

I don't respect idiots who don't know I was selling to mags up to 2008 and getting paid on them as late as 2010.

I don't respect idiots who still insist I should have adapted to a market that paid less than the market I knew and was good at.

At last you understand no one in business owes no one else in the business anything. Other than dealing with them honestly.

I couldn't care less what you think of me because you refuse to tell us what you do. Which is the norm for so many poster.

I now see where you're coming from. You want the respect of people on a board who you don't know, will never meet and never do business with. By refusing to tell people what you do.

A business the puts views higher in value than sales will never be golden.

What do you do?

I intend to, soccer is on the TV.

Infrastructure consulting and transitions. Mostly Infrastructure as code in multiregion selfhealing designs. Security review for ISO/GDPR/compliance

so if this is all crap and met-art is the thing people will buy, where is the problem?

we are ok with the crap and make millions out of it buy giving it for free.

met-art is still in biz - maybe you should try to offer them your HQ products - if you are right they will buy it.

it is not you, not me and not met-art that make the rules - it is the market.
no one will come up with the idea of met-art forbidding to do what they do.
met-art is aimed at its market and we at ours. it is so simple.

did you check how many news you get for free on the net every day? and did you ever think that you had to pay before the net existed when you bought a newspaper?

probably the most remarkable part of this fact is that many publishers who didn't want to get away from paper and subscriptions are bankrupt today. the others who adapted it and no longer finance themselves through subscriptions but advertising are again making huge profits.

don´t even try to explain him what that is.

what paul also does not see is that the existence of free sites with advertising is the reason that people that do not like advertising join a paid area.

paul is praising even on his facebook page ABP adblocker - wich means - that people who are using an adblocker do not have ANY reason to pay at all.

see how far he thinks?
his vision ranges from 12PM to noon.

So you know nothing about the actual business of selling porn.

Where is yor website or haven't you reached that level yet?

First off, I don't give a fuck if any of you dolts respect me.

Second, many on this board know who I am and what I do, as I have done business with them.. Just because YOU don't, doesn't mean I refuse to tell people what I do.

I have said many times what I do on this board, maybe you should stop waiting for comments just so you can spew your dumbfuckery and actually read other peoples posts and you'd learn.

I had been in adult since 2000, and have ran MANY successful and unsuccessful websites. I was one of the first people to make serious bank off Paris Hilton's sex tape, and also one of the first sites in the genre of solo girl/babe websites.

I had also bought and sold many premium adult domains.

Now days I spend my time in mainstream building B2B SaaS products.

Yeah, thats right... People pay me $300/hour just to randomly click around their admin section and designing new architecture for site mergers, because random facerolling through MS Visual Coder generates retaining UX's that works with all Geo. traffic.


You win the price for bring the most ignorant idiot pretending to be in the business.

Holding yourself to your own standart, you know nothing about selling porn online, because you never made a real profit (you public company records show it) and yet you spend most your time here running your stupid mouth... Broke ass troll. You should stick to counting your foodstamps

He should have hired one of you guys to fix his magic (broken) join links when he had the chance...