Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22548062)

So you both agree being a webmaster is easier than producing content and a guaranty of success.

It has to be something anyone can pick up in a short time. The actual marketing, describing, improving the product I already knew. The webmaster part I always thought was hard to get right as so many failed. I do know what a TGP gallery on The Hun could achieve, and similar sites, because we submitted them and made money from them.

But we left it to webmasters to do the webmaster part. If we didn't have the successful content production side of the business maybe we would have learned to be webmasters and hired a team of in house guys to do the grunt work. Would never of had an affiliate program because we saw too many sites fail by giving away too much to affiliates.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22548052)

Agreed I've been marketing my content for 30 years.

I retired at the beginning of the tube era. But there were so many who failed to adapt to it.

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 22548069)

It depending on person, for some is easier to be affiliate , for some easier to be content producer. There is no universal recipe.

Originally Posted by adultinnovation (Post 22548111)

Porn has to be the only industry ever that destroyed itself by giving away for free what it tries to sell.. haha fucking idiots.

Imagine if tomorrow there was not 1 single site on the internet that shows a porn video or picture for free.

Everyone would rolling in money instantly.

Originally Posted by wankawonk (Post 22548664)

it sounds like you just don't want to be part of the game in an era where tubes exist.

no one can fault you for that but I think you know exactly what you needed to do to adapt...and it just wasn't worth it to you.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22548713)

At 58 fighting cancer I decided the demise of our magazine side of the business and tubes it was time to retire.

Running a tube site on all our domains would have been easy, the unique traffic they were getting daily would have stayed, building solidly.

The problem was always my health.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22548726)

Producing content for magazines wasn't as easy as it was for online.

All the good paying magazines wanted sets on film, I would shoot the film set with my wife or employee in tandem. Online content producers were clueless at lighting a set. I would personally visit editors and see the discs they received of sets and never opened.

Online couldn't afford to wait 6 to 18 months to get paid. After paying the model $500, film costs, make up, etc on the day of the shoot.

They wanted to buy from people who would consistently produce the right content for their magazine. The right style, model, poses, location, etc. There was no point in submitting work that didn't match their magazine.

We consistently produced teen style work in solo, lesbian boy girl sets. If we had found a webmaster who could have taken our business beyond what the magazines were paying. We could have increased production, by shooting the best girls even more than we did. Sadly none approached us with an offer that could tempt me to give up shooting non exclusive for online and offline.

The problem is when we were asked to shoot by programs they were offering a derisory price. $300 to $500 for a solo girl set and video, $800 to $1,00 for lesbian, $1,200 to $2,000 for B/G. It made more financial sense to release it on the content stores and let the money slowly roll in.

There problem was funding good content, paying and supporting affiliates, hosting, etc. As the 50% to affiliates was a fixed price and the support they demanded. The spend on content was cut to the bone. The problem was that with shit content you're unlikely to get it listed on a TGP, can't afford to buy ad space, affiliates won't promote you, surfers won't look twice and few pay to join.

The only way to make money with poor content was to go the way of ATK, Karups who spent a lot every month on content. But only paying $300 to $400 for an exclusive set and video.

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 22547945)

Obviously there's some great quality stuff being made that's making money.

But in my own round about way that's not the point I'm trying to make. My point is that there's no fucking formula for adapting. Everyone has to use their own brains and figure out what to do for themselves.

In our situation we ended up making low end garbage for slobs and the mentally warped.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22547818)

you can not bring this argument in a discussion with paul.

you say: i am fine
and paul say: no

so where shall that lead to?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22548056)

If I had time I would have done all the marketing required. Finding and shooting new hot talent took up a lot of our time.

Regular scouting trips to Prague and other Czech cities didn't allow us the time.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22548055)

You talk as if everyone with a program made a success of it.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22548055)

Yes the problem was I couldn't find someone I knew and trusted to run a paysite. Why didn't you or someone like you approach me to run a paysite? Big failure on the webmasters side.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22549165)

The key factor is desire and drive, and it sounds like Paul, after years in the magazine game, was burned out. He was older (in his fifties) and dealing with a changing technology and just didn't want to deal with it. Thus, retirement and any attempts at online success failed because his heart was not in it and he didn't work 20 hours a day 7 days a week to get somewhere.

No shame in any of that! Just the way it is for some people. :)

Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 22548891)

Imagine being so fucking stupid that you see YouTube flourishing but swear up and down that porn tubes were doomed to fail, would be closed down, etc.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22548903)

You are 100%. There is no formula for adapting and every case is vastly different.

And there is nothing wrong with "average" or amateur content. There is a market for everything.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22548903)

You are 100%. There is no formula for adapting and every case is vastly different.

And there is nothing wrong with "average" or amateur content. There is a market for everything.

Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 22548905)

:winkwink: :thumbsup




maybe this is where you went wrong...

there´s enough money still to be made in porn & a huge amount of people throughout the world love watching the Brits, a British amateur, you didn´t need to go scouting to Prague just to make yourself feel special.

Marketing is easy, just using a POS website, a blog and some feeds to the blog...


I´m considering shooting for a large company like Brazzers or Bangbus, maybe film 2 or 3 movies for them, get my name out there now i´ve done the initial job or retaining my name on sites like freeones, IMDB & tubes. We´ve always wanted to keep me and my personal porn name as my own copyright, no one else has any footage, although, dogging don was going to meet up with me, it just never happened.

I can imagine being promoted by a large company like brazzers, my fan base would grow 10 fold overnight...

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22548914)

It was hard NOT to make money. I know one affilaite who bought a domain name, launched a TGP, and was driving a Ferrari before he was legal drinking age.

Instead of branching out into other areas of our industry you stuck with what you knew best, photography. There is nothing wrong with that - we all did this to some degree.

All of us failed to adapt. Looking back at the past twenty years in adult I see I too failed to adapt. I was making so much money running porn sites that I saw no reason to change. Looking back at it all I see exactly what I should have done... Our industry has an amazing business model which is why it works so well, but there is one area of our industry that always makes money no matter what... I am disappointed I didn't move in that direction.

People that were running programs were either doing it for themselves or making so much money doing it that it was hard to get them to go to work for someone else.

Originally Posted by wankawonk (Post 22549289)

Exactly...why make a thread "how should we have adapted" when it's clear to Paul and everyone else that his heart just wasn't in the game post-tubes?

Originally Posted by wankawonk (Post 22549290)

That's called cognitive dissonance and it's easy to make fun of but we all do it.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22549165)

Her/my point is that her 'success' was unreplicatable, as was mine. The same holds true for my years in the adult business. Sure I can show someone how to do this or that but really each person has to find their own way.

No shame in any of that! Just the way it is for some people. :)

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22549321)

You can't get on Brazzers because your level of skills aren't as high as there's.

Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 22549337)

how do you know how high my acting and fucking skills are??

I give excellent blowjobs, handjobs, fucked more than 10 guys at parties & have always enjoyed sex. I´m still at an age where they would be appreciating a new comer to their market, yet have my name already set in stone through the channels :2 cents:

I stay very calm & professional even when the weather´s 40c & i´m wearing a dress just to shoot some photos in...



:thumbsup

Originally Posted by King Mark (Post 22549338)

You have several tips in this thread. You just want somebody to buy your content packages. Nobody will. Them times are over.

The only chances to adapt I see, you dont want to do because it requires you work... about as hard as you work posting here... lol

Good luck bro. I respect you as an OG in this biz. Legend that had his time, and refused to exploit it in the end. Try not to go out bitter tho.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22549329)

People who draw a parallel between Youtube and porn tubes are as stupid as those who draw a parallel between the free samples in a supermarket and what the porn industry does.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22549349)

Seeing as you can't afford to buy my content and make a return on it by submitting it to all clip and PPV sites. I would say you can't afford to buy it. Still many others do.

How many of us adapted to other sides of the industry successfully? King Mark never did.

Originally Posted by King Mark (Post 22549360)

You do realize I've tried to help you and praise you? Lol. The advice you've gotten in this thread and your other cry for help threads could actually help you bro. Instead you prove that you're just a lazy fuck who insulted everyone who answered the question you asked, and then you try to use the cancer victim card... Lmao

Nobody is buying your content packages paul. They suck. Your best bet is to monetize them yourself like I told you, and use your cranky old porner shenanigans to promote them. Adapt to the social media era.

Anybody can flick their bean on live cam now and earn more than you ever did without buying your shitty content. You don't understand that middlemen like you are no longer needed... Like VCR's.

I also thought you were trolling for a while, but it's apparent you are legit pissed that you became obsolete in this industry.

Have fun dying broke, sick and bitter.

Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 22549352)

It is you who is completely stupid here. The fucking point is that you and several other idiots were running around crying about anyone that built a tube site, used a tube site or even talked good about them. The arguments were many and all were dumb but mostly "oh they'll get shut down!"

As if YouTube would allow laws to pass that could make that happen. As if it would be possible anyhow.

You are still here yapping about your amazing photography skills as if that should have carried you. Nobody thought your stuff was hot shit, you shot professional porn when very few did so your content was sold. The end.

And your disdain of webmasters is THE reason you failed at your own paysite. You're still repeating that you could just hire out the traffic help to students as if they would have the thousands of sites with millions of visits per day that webmasters as a whole had collectively way back then. 100% pure fucking get off my lawn stupidity but that is nothing new. I had always hoped you were trolling for fun and I still think you are but you've been repeating this moronic diatribe for so long that you must believe it.

No Paul, your part time foreign fucking students can't replicate the results of even 20 mid tier webmasters. I also believe you got 100-200 signups per week none. It didn't happen or you'd be riding around in sports cars fucking those Czech women you speak so highly of but nobody really wants to see on a large scale either.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22549376)

But why can't you get this, I don't need to work, I don't want to work, my health isn't good enough to work even more than posting here.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22549379)

Closing down porn tubes could be done by putting all porn behind membership areas. Mo credit card, no access to children. Not 100% but better than nothing, the reason governments don't is they can't be bothered.

Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 22549825)

Idealistic hypotheticals are useless, you would never make everyone put content behind a paywall when some would build a tube for pure fun and others to cash in the billions left behind by people stuck in the 80s.



Claiming that random idiots you hire could send the traffic that webmasters, who own thousands of sites and have experience, is so laughably pathetic at this point. I really wish you'd try it publicly so we could all laugh.



I promoted webcams and ACTUAL amateur girls. I still get regular checks from my efforts that ended in 2015 and have made more in porn than you did with your $3000 scenes.



I didn't have to adapt much. I promoted iFriends starting in 2001 and made a killing from then until now. All of my effort is still relevant because I saw the writing on the wall long before paysites went specialized, you were here bitching about low quality cam content when it was earning more money than you could ever dream of because IT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT. I later ran the largest real amateur submitted video site on the internet until I sold it in 2015, it was reddit related so you can find it if you try hard enough. I promoted nothing there but Chaturbate and did amazing. I also adapted into mainstream big, offline stores and more and still rock out online daily. You?



Look at my post count. I haven't updated my profile in so long you know more about what's in it than I do. I still program my own shit mostly because I can't find what I need anywhere else but I've been an affiliate and site owner for far longer. I'm also not for hire.





I don't shoot content, I don't want a paysite. Cams paid better and are still paying better if you have a fucking clue. When Chaturbate launched I got back into actively working on adult because I knew it would be a juggernaut from the instant I saw it. Ask them how much they are raking in now because it's an endless line of trucks dumping money at their feet with content you'd scream isn't worthy.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22549833)

Don't even bother mate. You have to understand that, as a photographer and content producer, Paul is an enormous snob. Being British just adds to that feeling of natural superiority. I see it in ex-pats all the time here in Amsterdam. Being one, I can spot them and they are always the most arrogant gits in the pub. LOL

Paul dismisses anything he considers shit as 'content'. To him, if it's 'shit' then it's not really content, etc. He fancies himself an 'artist' deep down so anything that doesn't meet his hairy pre-1990's exploited under-nourished teens standards is unworthy of discussion. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by King Mark (Post 22549396)

Fair enough. Just remember that next time you want to ask these questions again. You ask, so answers come. That's kinda how forums work.



I took a different route when I adapted. I'm in the royalties/publishing game now.

Also, social media marketing. I don't name drop, especially on gfy, but many of my clients can be found in my sig.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22549833)

Don't even bother mate. You have to understand that, as a photographer and content producer, Paul is an enormous snob. Being British just adds to that feeling of natural superiority. I see it in ex-pats all the time here in Amsterdam. Being one, I can spot them and they are always the most arrogant gits in the pub. LOL

Paul dismisses anything he considers shit as 'content'. To him, if it's 'shit' then it's not really content, etc. He fancies himself an 'artist' deep down so anything that doesn't meet his hairy pre-1990's exploited under-nourished teens standards is unworthy of discussion. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 22549825)

Idealistic hypotheticals are useless, you would never make everyone put content behind a paywall when some would build a tube for pure fun and others to cash in the billions left behind by people stuck in the 80s.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22549886)

silly shit

Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 22549887)

"Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
All downloadable from Dropbox. PM me for a deal."

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22549889)

What a pity all you one man bands couldn't come to me and team up taking the webmaster roll while I concentrated on producing content for a paysite or paysites. Maybe then you would understand that teen content hasn't changed much in 30 years, except for clothing,hairstyles and shaven pussies.

It's a pity you couldn't adapt, open a paysite with great content that sold. But you're all convinced I should have adapted and done what you did. Ferrari must of been having great sales with you all owning one.

Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 22549891)

By the way, I adapted by getting tons of awesome and realistically arranged props.

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.E...AHaFj&pid=15.1

And shooting "the most beautiful girls in the world".

https://images.porninspector.com/p/p...4205557/05.jpg

Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 22549892)

Nobody liked your damn content, why is this so hard to understand? Every time I see a photo you shot it reminds me of the old ass Hustler magazines I found as a teen.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22549886)

How do you know how much I earn?
.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22547421)

So how should we have adapted?

Opened an exclusive paysite? They must think that content producers we had the hard part mastered and doing the webmaster part was easy. Then where is their great website?

Close the magazine set side of the business and done what so many online content producers did. From home because who could afford studios and staff? Not AmazingContent.com who is quick to tell us how we failed.

Become an affiliate? Which must be very easy in their opinion.

Become a programmer? :upsidedow:upsidedow:upsidedow

Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 22549352)

It is you who is completely stupid here. The fucking point is that you and several other idiots were running around crying about anyone that built a tube site, used a tube site or even talked good about them. The arguments were many and all were dumb but mostly "oh they'll get shut down!"

As if YouTube would allow laws to pass that could make that happen. As if it would be possible anyhow.

You are still here yapping about your amazing photography skills as if that should have carried you. Nobody thought your stuff was hot shit, you shot professional porn when very few did so your content was sold. The end.

And your disdain of webmasters is THE reason you failed at your own paysite. You're still repeating that you could just hire out the traffic help to students as if they would have the thousands of sites with millions of visits per day that webmasters as a whole had collectively way back then. 100% pure fucking get off my lawn stupidity but that is nothing new. I had always hoped you were trolling for fun and I still think you are but you've been repeating this moronic diatribe for so long that you must believe it.

No Paul, your part time foreign fucking students can't replicate the results of even 20 mid tier webmasters. I also believe you got 100-200 signups per week none. It didn't happen or you'd be riding around in sports cars fucking those Czech women you speak so highly of but nobody really wants to see on a large scale either.