Why do all these comparisons include one side having no marketing?

Can you get better results with a poor product and a big budget for marketing V a great product with a fair budget for marketing?

define marketing

there are many examples where poor products are sold through either a big marketing budget OR a good marketing idea and there are also examples where good products failed that had a big budget.

marketing is much much more than "selling" because sales are the results of a good marketing that starts already BEFORE a product is even produced.

maybe you should try to inform yourself what "marketing" really means before you use it as an argument in a discussion.

Its simple. S.I.S.O. and there will always be "indie" successes like the Blair Witch Project.

good example

i think there was no movie I have ever seen that was less professional made than this one.
not sure if they could not do better or if they did not want to do better.

A talented photographer can make an amazing image using an old Kodak camera from 1929. A hack can have the best equipment and produce shit.

End of discussion?

That would be the end of the discussion...IF THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION...it is not, so the thread must continue off topic for another 5 pages.

Here is where your business thread got hi jacked by someone who is no longer in the business:

"What you shoot with is secondary. It's all down to how and what you shoot. The positive thing about tubes is few buy porn blind, they will look for the free videos on tubes before buying or not buying. So it has to be good."....Paul Markham

Haha sorry man - I got hooked by that Paul Markham troll mojo. My bad. :)

There is no good cameraman with HD equipment in 2019 :2 cents:

What has that got to do with this discussion?

So tell me specifically where my statement is wrong?

Can the Internet convey 4K movies without having them reduced down to a smaller size?

Can it make a bad camera man into a good one?

Are things like lenses, lighting, audio, camera less important than buying a 4K camera?

Are directing, model selection, location, etc less important than the camera?

Anyone who can't afford $1500 for a camera shouldn't be in the business, but it doesn't define a good product that will sell in 2019. If it did everyone here would be a lot richer.

What people should do when canvassing for work is show how good there work is so people can see there skills. If you don't have a site where that's possible buying a 4K camera won't solve the problems.

:helpme :helpme

Sorry you have missed it :winkwink: My point was, if you know what you are doing you can achieve great visual results shooting with OLD media (film) and with old cameras and lenses. FYI: That the movie bombed has no influence on the matter. I was NOT talking content but a visual quality.:thumbsup

paul, are you aware that you really hijacking a thread that has NOTHING to do with your opinions?

the threat title is:

Any companies looking for 4k EXCLUSIVE SHOOTING

do you really believe that people that are working in internet are so dumb that they buy EXCLUSIVE content only for internet?

do you really believe that we all are like you and think internet will never move forward?

do you really believe that even a compressed low bandwith version from a 4k video will be better as to compress it from SD or HD ?

you have such a little clue about the day work from those who make the money at the end, that you should really stay out of such threads with your always yesterday opinions.

you have NEVER made money with users - you made money because there where always people that KNEW HOW TO MAKE money.
so you are really the last person that can be helpful.

Tilt....lets discuss something more exciting, new, fresh and different. Is content or traffic king. Paul?

Takeaway: If you want exposure for your thread, contact Paul. Out with the sticky threads, in with PM's exclusive services. :pimp

You think the camera is more important than the person using it. I disagree and know you're wrong.

You think buying a 4K camera is something only skilled cameramen are allowed to do. I disagree and know you're wrong.

Dont... poke.... the devil :1orglaugh

I've boldened and enlarged your mistake. A lot of posts here are from people with no clue about shooting anything and argue with people who've shot content most of their life. That a camera is more important than the person using it, some one even suggests only good cameramen can buy them.

Content, content, content.

Today the biggest sites with the most traffic are the ones with the best content, some are even willing to pay for it. Take the content off tubes and they're no longer the biggest sites with the most traffic.

No one has ever spent a lot of time promoting shit, because the people with enough traffic want the best conversions. Those come from kick ass tours with great content on.

Getting traffic is easy, $5 a 1,000 or less. OK it's shit traffic, but you can only buy shit content for shit money. If you have great content surfers are willing to pays for you can afford to buy traffic. How do you think Google makes it's money. Take the content off Google, it dies.

Getting good content is the hardest thing to do and why so many people have to generate traffic for free.

You are right. Stupid trolls will pitch n with their arguments such as the camera is more important than the person using it. I don't see any content shooters agreeing with them though.

Still going. And Paul still doesn’t get it. Sorry I couldn’t respond for a few days. Have been on set shooting a VR video series for Pfizer with a $250k budget. :winkwink:

nah, you just can't read.

or comprehend.

I'm unsure.

WHO told you that?

WHO told you that ?

WHO told you that?

WHO told you what surfers think ?

WHO told you that?

you are wrong with all you come up with.
no way to make you understand this biz EVER.

Paul also said somewhere above that "no one has ever bought content because it's 4K" or something to that effect. While I know that most who shoot in these higher resolutions aren't delivering at the same resolution, customers absolutely have and do buy content that's specifically 4K. While they really won't see huge differences, the public has been conditioned, already own the displays and are starving for 4K content.

It really is only a matter of time before this is the standard for online delivery.

Paul, if you're at all interested in learning about some of the cameras available for content creators of all types....here's a good look:



And the results...based on the votes and eyes of viewers who likely know what they're looking at :winkwink:



Keep in mind, the Pocket 6K is $2500 and the Arri Alexa Mini is about $30000. The only thing cheap about that camera is the cost.

If you're going to spend that much on a camera you must know what you're doing.

Do you know what you're doing with a camera? Then there's a good excuse for elevating to 4K. But never assume 4K is going to make a bad shooter good or a bad movie good. Never assume that only good shooters can buy a 4K camera.

What's the hardest and more vital thing to acquire? The skills to shoot videos good enough for Pfizer or the buying of a 4K camera?after all you said $1300 is all it takes to get a 4K camera. Even $3,000 won't be a problem. It takes years to acquire the skills to shoot properly, therefore it's primary and the camera is secondary. Which is where I started.

So keep arguing the camera is the more important and the only reason Pfizer come to you for the $250k is you have a good camera. Because if you disagree with that you have to agree with me.

Hey has the OP gotten any WORK from this thread?

That was the original point after all.

If i read you I really don´t understand how you could ever make a step without stumbling.

if someone say: DO YOU WANT TO BUY A WHITE CABRIOLET?

the answer is simply YES OR NO and the details come later.

but you answer this question with:
nobody needs a cabriolet OR
I doubt that the one who offers it is able to make a cabriolet OR
they should not produce cabriolets but bicycles because they sell better OR
you are too late I was the only one that ever produced cabriolets - in fact they were bicycles but I called them cabriolet - anyway you are TOO late because I am retired now....


what a fuck is that?
do you sometimes read what you write ?

So a snail walks into a Cadillac dealer and says I wanna a brand new caddie. Its gotta have leather, power, everything. And I want it painted bright pink with three huge green letter S's painted on the hood and doors. The salesman says sure....whatever you want. But why in hell do you want all those fluorescent green S's.

Snail says.."Man when I drive down the street I want everyone to look and point and say....Look at that s car go.

Paul. Maybe this is a lesson you never learned in your 180 years on the planet. Sell the guy what he wants. Not what you want.

J/C what are you shooting this Pharma vr on?

LOL!! It's a French joke so the Englishman Markham will auto reject it. :D

But you are 100 correct: SELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT! I wouldn't care if ppl bought the strangest stuff from me as long as it's a sale.

I'm just going back to Mainstream...this board seems to be on life support

I doubt it because the OP hasn't given any good reasons for people to buy from him. Using a 4K camera isn't a good reason to switch producers for a new one or seek out a producer without samples or a recent track record of producing content.

That takes real sales skills. Selling a guy what you want him to buy not taking his order on what he wants to buy, even though you maybe unable to supply it.

I would of have shot some sample footage of what I could do, models I could find, put it on a site then approached all the old customers I had. Even some soft core footage on YT and Vimeo would help.

That's the definition of order taking.

Selling is where you convince the client you're product is best.