I haven't looked at it that way. I think that "niche" is not just a "category" of porn, but the evolution of porn itself and how it is presented. Virtual Reality is an obvious one, but I might be biased. But also with platforms like OnlyFans, porn is expanding into different "ways" of presenting it. More models are "doing it themselves" and people are not just paying anymore for visual porn. They pay to have a "connection" with the model, the feeling of exclusivity.

And if I may really go outside the box, I just saw a firm, virtualmate, who is actually creating a rendered model that will respond to you, both physically and emotionally. Learning who you are, what you like and dislike, ...

I think the porn industry is now rapidly evolving and the ones that evolve with it, will survive. I know virtually nothing yet about the porn industry, I'm new, so I could be wrong, but I have seen what happened in the photography business and I think there is a clear analogy with the porn industry. It happened with the coming of the internet and I think it will happen again in the coming years.

The thing is most webmasters were full of bullshit.

Some professed to making loads of money buying crap content cheap, but never progressed above buying crap cheap content and few ever buying new good content to keep the sites alive. But all screamed out the key to success was new exclusive good content.

They told us producers they were making millions from their sites and if we gave them our content they would make us rich. Rarely happened, either they were ripping us off or full of bullshit.

Yes some programs were making a lot of money, their key to success was great content + lots of happy affiliates because the content converted and kept getting produced. But when they approached us they claimed they could only pay a fraction of what we were earning and retaining the copyright to the material.

While some mistakenly thought taking pictures of their wives qualified them to shoot porn!!!! :upsidedow

It's a pity you never grew from driving traffic to having a site like DDF, Sapphic Erotica, etc.

The biggest downfall of online porn is illustrated in this thread. One man bands were able to cobble together a site, drive traffic and make a wage, good or bad. That allowed 100,000s in and they all had to share the people who were already buying porn. From offline where one man bands had to be experts in one field. I can only shoot and sell content. Couldn't edit, print, distribute or sell the magazines. Generally editors, printers, distributors and sellers of magazines couldn't do anything else.

Designers and programmers are one off with a back up plan to keep it working. The only things that require constant work are traffic generation and content production. Neither can be done by "jack of all trades" people.

Content production especially. You need to constantly looking for the right models, shooting them properly in different locations, to the right standards of the niche and style. Otherwise you have nothing different that 1,000s of other sites have to attract affiliates and surfers. Nothing to really convert, retain and keep coming back. Look at all the truly successful sites and see what separates them from the rest. Because if you could be a "Jack of all trades" outfit, so could 1,000s of others.

Marketing something no better than the next man's product is tough. Marketing something that's better than the rest is easy.

Expert suppliers fall into two categories. The bullshitter who is trying his luck and will come down because he's got no options. And the one already earning better money elsewhere. He won't drop his prices to earn less.

Niche has always meant a particular fetish or preference to the type of porn that turns the individual on.

Yes porn is evolving from people willing to pay to people never paying and getting the personal effect in is essential. Getting models to market themselves, get content shot of themselves, then giving them a platform they can use to publish their work on. The problem is can you pay them enough to elevate the content above a girl with a camera on a tripod or partner shooting her above the level of the 1,000s of others?

Look at MyDirtyHobby | Live Sex Chat, Cam Girls, Amateur Sex Community and look at the level of most of the content. Few are earning anything above a decent wage. Most are shooting themselves, with a GF or BF who rarely changes. The exceptions are rare and few progress beyond an "Amateur" level.

VR has failed despite all the claims made, just like 3D. Technology will not solve the problems of why should someone pay for something that's available for free and no different from 1,000s of others.

I am pretty sure they have never showed you their income.
I personally know a few of them with monthly incomes above 50 k. and the content they produce is as good or as bad as everybody can produce it. some of it just shot with handycam with no concept or idea behind.

you can´t compete with any amateur that knows how to promote herself. this is not a question of quality - this is a question of empathy.

yawn. You know this how? You are clueless.

shot content on this for about a year
https://www.thephoblographer.com/wp-..._L-770x578.jpg

Quite true. Over the years we changed billers several times after getting caught up in the iBill debacle for awhile. And each time we had to switch, we lost recur billing momentum and had to start from scratch.

That's a tough pill to swallow.

Started FUBAR with a 2 megapixel Olympus :1orglaugh

Fitty Changes :pimp

pull the trigger, count to ten, wait for the flash. Rinse and repeat. But damn those cameras were profitable.

I knew it wouldn't be long until Paul got in here :1orglaugh

Everyone got screwed over by iBill... but everyone I worked with was mostly using Epoch or CCbill.... Never really used anyone else.

Remember Lancelot and 2000Charge. They did a fair bit of damage.

2 Megapixel Olympus Camedia was also my first one. I had this special edition with Zeiss Lenses - and it was FUCKING expensive. But actually one of the very best cameras I ever had because it had a very good auto mode for idiots.

The number of people who have taking it up. If it were a success a lot more would be doing it.

So make a contribution disputing what I'm saying.

The reason so many started as one man bands and never progressed beyond that to earn the really big money. Was they were never that successful. Because they could just about cobble together a TGP, submit it to TGP sites and hope, make a basic site, point a camera at a girl, there were just to many of them for them all to succeed. The few who did moved up the pecking order to owning a site that had good content, worked efficiently, etc, because they hired professionals to do the jobs they couldn't.

It takes money, skills, expertise at every level to launch a site that stands out with content that doesn't need fancy words no one reads, works properly and isn't something any self taught programmer can put up.

There are lots of independent content producers with decades of experience, content, the ability to shoot a lot more, the money to invest in sites, programmers who could build a site, etc. People should have been coming to them asking to be in charge of the traffic generation and building great sites. But all they could bleat is the offline guys don't get the Internet while asking for content, without paying for it, and demanding we leave everything to them.

when i listen to you explaining to people what they did wrong and how to be really successful, it sounds like a cyclist explaining how to become world champion in formula1.

you always forget that porn is only a tiny part of total internet sales. if porn were not allowed to be sold in the net tomorrow, then almost nothing would get lost...

have you ever thought about why the really big players turn over billions and buy ZERO content for it?

have you ever heard that youtube buys content? facebook buys content? google buys content?

if you still think that the internet was just made for porn you are far from reality.

you can make money with whatever in the internet as long as you are smart enough to
understand how to find the right users for the right product.
internet is that big that every product have a market - no matter how good or bad it is.
the one and only question at the end is the relation between demand and supply.
if there are more sellers than buyers it can not work.
it is that simple and well known since thousands of years.

Compared to how much content they monetize, it might not be big dollars, but both Facebook and Google/YouTube have spent billions with a B on content.

why should they buy content?
everything is uploadet from users.

On this we agree, I have never considered myself a skilled pornographer, and only ever jokingly called myself one.

I am skilled in analyzing data, and profit analysis, I cannot code for shit, I cannot design for shit, and I certainly do not shoot porn videos or photos for shit (although I have been fortunate enough to shoot some awesome wildlife photos in my spare time)

To the question at hand, There is no ONE THING, it has been a multitude of things, just like in all industry. You can point to some Big things, the ease of entry, the advances in cameras, the ever reducing costs, TGPs, MGPs, Tubes, Social Media.

As they say in the USMC. Improvise, Adapt, Overcome

I went digital in july 2001 with the fuji s1, 3 MP, the fuji s2 put out the best images I ever shot, best skin tones.

People on GFY only sell porn and porn related products, until we gave so much away many found it unprofitable to continue.

But Thommy is right, in the last 12 years sales on the Internet have exploded except in porn where they've shrank and we now sell clicks for $5 a 1,000, in fact some of the traffic is so worthless Thommy stated it was only worth $1 a 1,000. Compare that with mainstream prices on clicks to see how bad it is.

Being a pornographer allows one to know, before the data comes in, who can do different types of porn, how to shoot, how to market and sell, etc. Yes data will allow one to fine tune it but not tell you what works and doesn't work.

The ease of entry doesn't increase the market size by the rate of people offering the product. It just means everyone gets a smaller slice/crumb of the cake. Imagine a world without cameras anyone can own, TGPs, MGPs, Tubes, Social Media, tools for submitting, etc would raise the bar of entry and do nothing to alter the size of the market.

The worse thing that happened to the porn industry was what Rochard started the thread with.

paul do me a favor and inform yourself about the difference bewteen cost per click, cost per impression, value per visit and cost per aquisition . after that you should get a little clue about value per GEO and value per device.

you don´t even know the very basics of the internet industry - in no porn forum on this planet I have ever seen someone with less clues than you - and there are a lot of clueless but you are the mothership of clueless.

Are you talking about mainstream advertising or just porn advertising?

So inform us about the cost per click on porn related traffic. Both ends of the spectrum, very good to very bad.

Because I'm sure other people know mainstream advertising is worth billions a day and porn advertising isn't worth billions a year. The richest person in the world is Jeff Bezos the guy who owns Amazon.

Share your great knowledge with everyone, everyone will benefit from it.