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ilnjscb 11-16-2019 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22561817)


Ok then, does he say KYIV in this video? If so how does he say it?

just a punk 11-16-2019 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22561932)
No idea. But I think he shouted loudly, much louder than millions of Ukrainians that didnt even have a power to shout, killed by the USSR on purpose by its "hunger plan" in 1930s.
They were killed by the Georgian man Stalin and by the Ukrainian (yes, Eastern Russian) guy Vlas Chubar. Those two men are responsible of the Russian Golodomor. I have no deia why the Ukraine considers it as a personal genocide.

Over 3 millions of Ukrainians have died. Over 3 millions of central Russians have died. Over 1 millions of Kazakhs have died. Over 5.42% of Soviet Union people have died. So what? What do you want to say with you post? Why don't you consider Russia as the most affected nation? Only the Georgian Republic has not suffered. How come?

just a punk 11-16-2019 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 22561935)
Ok then, does he say KYIV in this video? If so how does he say it?
He says it just like I say. Here is his monologue "Kiev is a mother of Russian cities" (yes, he speaks the modern Russian language in his stand ups):



Skip it at 0:38 mark and listen how a native Ukrainian guy from Kiev (the president of the country BTW) says "KIEV". He clearly says "Keeyf" with an "F" at the end. Any questions?

klinton 11-16-2019 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22561950)
Only the Georgian Republic has not suffered. How come?
greetings from southern Georgia :winkwink::winkwink:

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just a punk 11-16-2019 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22561983)
greetings from southern georgia :winkwink::winkwink:

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Говно. Вылеей в раковину. Лучший коньяк делают в Армении. Он куда лучше всяких французских xo. Вот реально.

klinton 11-16-2019 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22561990)
Говно. Вылеей в раковину. Лучший коньяк делают в Армении. Он куда лучше всяких французских xo. Вот реально.
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ilnjscb 11-16-2019 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22561956)
He says it just like I say. Here is his monologue "Kiev is a mother of Russian cities" (yes, he speaks the modern Russian language in his stand ups):



Skip it at 0:38 mark and listen how a native Ukrainian guy from Kiev (the president of the country BTW) says "KIEV". He clearly says "Keeyf" with an "F" at the end. Any questions?
I have to say that's the strongest we've seen yet, in terms of proof. He clearly says Kee'eef, which explains a lot. He is lengthening the word for emphasis, which explains why Americans hear "Keef" when the city name is being said quickly. The tiny pause between the two syllables disappears when the name is spoken casually. Yet if a native colleague is asked about it, they might speak emphatically to the listener and say "KEE'iEEFF" which might be spelled "Key-iev"

Though there may be many ways to say it, and hear it, Zelensky says "Kee'eef" and that is what I'd vote for, as a non-native.

PR_Glen 11-18-2019 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22561499)
Maybe in Belorussia. They say "f" at the and. Not "v".
When i first read you saying that i thought you were full of shit. but going back in my mind and remembering pronunciations a little closer it really is annunciated with an f by any Russians I have spoken with or heard, but being a westerner my mind probably hears v instead. The distinction between the two is almost nothing, also why your language doesn't differentiate the two specifically with the alphabet, which is most likely why you are only hearing an F sound yourself. I think it stems back from the Soviet days. Nobody in the west would pronounce it Sofiet Union. The V is the most prominent consonant in that word. So we take that V and use it for anything else where you would use the "B" or what you would use for an F sound. B is also used as a v sound in spanish so there is also that distinction.

So essientially we can all be right here and are pretty much arguing semantics.

ilnjscb 11-18-2019 11:49 AM
German does that too, a lot of languages do. Vom Himmel hoch, da komm ich her is Fom to US speakers

just a punk 11-18-2019 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 22562834)
When i first read you saying that i thought you were full of shit. but going back in my mind and remembering pronunciations a little closer it really is annunciated with an f by any Russians I have spoken with or heard, but being a westerner my mind probably hears v instead. The distinction between the two is almost nothing, also why your language doesn't differentiate the two specifically with the alphabet, which is most likely why you are only hearing an F sound yourself. I think it stems back from the Soviet days. Nobody in the west would pronounce it Sofiet Union. The V is the most prominent consonant in that word. So we take that V and use it for anything else where you would use the "B" or what you would use for an F sound. B is also used as a v sound in spanish so there is also that distinction.

So essientially we can all be right here and are pretty much arguing semantics.
I have no idea Canadians say it. I just quoted a native Ukrainian guy from Kiev - Zelensky. As about my post which you have quoted above, it's not really correct. I meant that Belorussians say "КЫеВ" (I have no idea how will you translate it to Canadian), while the Ukrainians from Kiev say it a Russian way. The say "КИИФ". Maybe because they are... ethical Russians?

And stop all these talks about the Ukraine as a different nation. For many centuries it was called Malorossia (Rossia means Russia in Russian) - it literally translates as a small Russia. Belorussia is also a Russian word. It means "White Russia". The Moscow Russia was called the Great Russia. So all those nations are Russian. They are different countries, but the people who live there are the same. They may hate each other, but genetically and ethnically the are the same people.

klinton 11-18-2019 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22563168)
And stop all these talks about the Ukraine as a different nation. For many centuries it was called Malorossia (Rossia means Russia in Russian) - it literally translates as a small Russia. Belorussia is also a Russian word. It means "White Russia". The Moscow Russia was called the Great Russia. So all those nations are Russian. They are different countries, but the people who live there are the same. They may hate each other, but genetically and ethnically the are the same people.
to se ne vrati :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Also, Ukraine is too diverse to speak about "Ukrainians and Ukraine" as a one entity that is like this or that.
But I may assure about one thing comrade - thanks to government of your country, these days, THE AVERAGE Ukrainian and MAJORITY of Ukrainians, when asked what they think about Russia and maybe even Russians, they express their discontent about it.
Not like before, where the sentiment was the opposite.
So you may thank your government for that :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup
Its brilliant actions made Russia losing Ukraine for a very long time, if not for forever :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
The war for Ukrainian soul is lost for Russia :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

just a punk 11-19-2019 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22563188)
twhen asked what they think about Russia and maybe even Russians, they express their discontent about it.
Who ask that the think about the Russian Federation? I have posted an Ukrainian song which says all about the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainian women are always crying. When you get a prostitute in Moscow, in 90% ыру will be Ukrainian and she will cry how bad her life is. A woman from Eastern Russia will... yeah here is a quote form a classic Russian poetry:

Quote:
Есть женщины в русских селеньях
С спокойною важностью лиц,
С красивою силой в движеньях,
С походкой, со взглядом цариц, —
Их разве слепой не заметит,
А зрячий о них говорит:
«Пройдёт — словно солнце осветит!
Посмотрит — рублём подарит!» (...)
Красавица, миру на диво,
Румяна, стройна, высока,
Во всякой одежде красива,
Ко всякой работе ловка.
И голод, и холод выносит,
Всегда терпелива, ровна...
Я видывал, как она косит:
Что взмах — то готова копна! (...)
В игре её конный не словит,
В беде не сробеет — спасет:
Коня на скаку остановит,
В горящую избу войдет! (…)
She will literally stop a mad horse and will enter a burning house. You Polish man won't understand it, but it's a huge difference.

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/svir...2_original.jpg

So I really don't understand when a Polish guy tells me something about Russia. Your country has pretended to the Russian territory and you were fucked in the most dirty way. You even been a part of Russian Empire. Your were been a part of Soviet military block. Now you are get used as a whore by NATO. Tell me please when Poland will become a real country with it's own army? Non-Russian. Non-American. Your fucking own army, ah? A country of slaves.

klinton 11-19-2019 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22563223)
Who ask that the think about the Russian Federation? I have posted an Ukrainian song which says all about the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainian women are always crying. When you get a prostitute in Moscow, in 90% ыру will be Ukrainian and she will cry how bad her life is. A woman from Eastern Russia will... yeah here is a quote form a classic Russian poetry:



She will literally stop a mad horse and will enter a burning house. You Polish man won't understand it, but it's a huge difference.

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/svir...2_original.jpg

So I really don't understand when a Polish guy tells me something about Russia. Your country has pretended to the Russian territory and you were fucked in the most dirty way. You even been a part of Russian Empire. Your were been a part of Soviet military block. Now you are get used as a whore by NATO. Tell me please when Poland will become a real country with it's own army? Non-Russian. Non-American. Your fucking own army, ah? A country of slaves.
sure comrade, sure :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
[tapping his shoulder while: stray Moscow dogs around us, police beating up the protesters in the background, huge traffic jam for 10 km cause nobody uses the metro]

MaDalton 11-19-2019 03:59 AM
these threads are always highly amusing

na zdravi :glugglug

King Mark 11-19-2019 04:36 AM
Lmao... I wonder if any weirdos in England feel the same about Americans.

"They're ancient English, not a separate nation"

klinton 11-19-2019 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by King Mark (Post 22563266)
Lmao... I wonder if any weirdos in England feel the same about Americans.

"They're ancient English, not a separate nation"
with a difference though...US is more powerful than England, while Ukraine less than Russia :winkwink::winkwink:

Mickey_ 11-19-2019 05:34 AM
Glad to see the community's focused on the pressing issues that matter.

just a punk 11-19-2019 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22563257)
these threads are always highly amusing

na zdravi :glugglug
The American guy has asked how native Kiev guys say it. I have posted a video of an Ukrainian president from... Kiev. What's wrong with that? Zum wohl?

ilnjscb 11-19-2019 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22563320)
The American guy has asked how native Kiev guys say it. I have posted a video of an Ukrainian president from... Kiev. What's wrong with that? Zum wohl?
Exactly, he actually did what I asked for help on. And it matters to us in the US because of the impeachment trial, which is centered around Ukraine, and so we have tons of yutzes pontificating about Ukraine because they once ate Chicken Kiev in a restaurant.

Please, don't make this thread political, I just wanted to clarify why there is a lot of dialog about it. We used to think it was KEE-eyuv. Now people on TV are saying KEEV because they don't really know anything about Ukraine at all, and couldn't find it on a map if their balls were in a vice.

I had a suspicion it was just the way American ears were hearing it, and I believe I was correct. So thanks CyberSEO and everyone else who contributed. All that other Russia stuff we have to get a bottle of vodka and talk it out at some later date.

just a punk 11-19-2019 10:46 AM
Nothing political here. I just say that Ukrainians are ethnic Russians. Russians from Moscow are much closer to Poles, while Eastern Russians from Siberia are close to Mongols. This is how Russia was extended to the East:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...i_Yermakom.jpg

It was done the same way as America was conquered by Europeans. Russians don't want to speak about this part of their history, but in fact it's the most biggest country on planet Earth and it's so big because Russians were the most warlike nation.

O MARINA 11-19-2019 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mickey_ (Post 22563282)
Glad to see the community's focused on the pressing issues that matter.


Mickeyyyy you have to check other sites for Ukraine VS America conflict :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

just a punk 11-19-2019 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22563234)
sure comrade, sure :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
[tapping his shoulder while: stray Moscow dogs around us, police beating up the protesters in the background, huge traffic jam for 10 km cause nobody uses the metro]
The traffic jam is because the people here have too many cars. During a rush hour you won't enter a metro as well. 25 millions of people is not a joke. Moscow is the biggest city in the Western word. As about stray dogs. All of them were killed before FIFA 2018. The one still lives near my home. People made a booth for her and they feed her every day. Till she won't be catched and killed by officials.


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