What a stupid question.

There are 100s of different tastes the problem is satisfying all of them and making a profit. Going down the route of C4S won't pay enough to pay for quality production. So going the route of playing to those who like pretty flirty Teens Fucking will. Replace teens with any mainstream niche.


How do you market before you know what the product is?


100% right. The problem is for most they can't afford to produce what the client is willing to pay for if they're paying so much for affiliates to submit it to sites that have little traffic on. To get a constant product costs money because others were willing to pay more for it. Would you sell clicks to a person that could pay 10% of what others will pay? So why do you expect content producers to do that?

There's also another element to producing content. The variation between producers. This keeps every scene a producer delivers slightly different from other producers. This leads to a more exciting site and away from 1 shooter producing everything and all the content looking the same after a while. Also a larger selection of models. The problem was always there wasn't enough money to pay for the production, except with a few sites.

Can a webmaster or company create and run Patreon accounts for girls?

Of course.

ssshhhhhhhh

I agree but we all know the main reason for this is googles behavior towards young free porn sites.

Can you please elaborate. Do we create individual accounts with girls personal info or can we create one account and add girls to it?

Ok?

Can a company have an P account?

Can a individual have an P account and create content with other people in it?

Thanks

Google looks after the surfer first. That means sending them to established free sites and not sending them to new free sites. Maybe you should tell them to change it. :1orglaugh

Tipping strippers isn't a new concept by any means. You just took the idea from the brick and mortar world and applied it to the online market with cams.

This is essentially long tail SEO marketing, targeting very specific customers with a very specific need. A considerable advantage for these niche models is their content and micro niche are not posted all over the web for free, so they don't have the same problem that large producers have with combating piracy. It all boils down to supply and demand.

They literally post hundreds / thousands of free pics and videos all over the damn internet. They upsell more but most want the interaction / experience.

Sheesh people, come on. /r/gonewild ever?

You can do whatever the hell you want.

I raised money for a specific website once because I had fans and they wanted to help.

50 out of touch Pauls.

Pauls shooter skills LOL

Let me correct myself. Their paid members area content isn't posted all over the web for free.

Sure but it's not like we haven't seen their pussy 1000 times. They are selling more than the niche pictures brought up above. Yes there is a market for that and the prices get insane but there are girls bringing in 5/6 figures a month with subscriptions under $10 and their shit is leaked far and wide. You don't get to talk to the girl when you steal her content.

Please define "Thriving" based on avg revenue/time/money invested

I retired in '15 so I wonder what is considered good money today for an affiliate

Can someone please help with this?

We have 5 girls soon 10 girls we want monetize.

1.Do we create individual accounts with girls personal info or can we create one account personal or company account and add girls content to it?

2.Can a company have an Patreon account?

3. Can a individual have an Patreon account and create content with other people in it?

4. Can this apply to onlyfans.com site also

Thank you

They have a really good help system man, just sign up.

Sent you a PM about some possible business as well.

1. I'd personally create individual accounts for each, but you can do either or... You just have to own/be the creator of the content. No sex acts.

2. Yes

3. Yes

4. Yes, and onlyfans allows sex acts too

My word is not law, read the terms and guidelines.

Bonus: https://stars.avn.com/

Once you start going for niches within a niche you lose market size to such an extent it's impossible to pay for the content in any form above basic amateur. So losing most of the people who don't want amateurs producing their porn who have no interest and no knowledge of the niche. While the guys that know, understand and love the niche target the overall niche of feet make more money.

The notion that anybody can create a site because they can point a camera is absurd.

Thanks King Mark

Who is paying TrishaTarantino $1000 a month for no sex acts? for what then? crazy!!

https://www.patreon.com/TrishaTarantino
TrishaTarantino
CUSTOM VIDEO
$1,000
PER MONTH
message me for any kind of custom video.

She said any kind of video. So... Is she playing with her kitty

Paul, you don't know about or understand a single God damned important thing. Please STFU until someone wants to know about shutter speed or something.

OMG!!! I'm dying here!!! shutter speed or something!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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There are billions of people on this planet with all kinds of interests, from the silliest softcore to the most extreme acts imaginable. Yet Paul seems to think there is only ONE kind of "porn" and only one kind of porn fan.

You can make money with almost ANY niche - if you know what you are doing. Scaling up is another matter but then there's so much lateral space available you can always widen your operation. All it takes is vision and endless hard work. And some luck helps. :)

this question came from you and i do not even have to look into another answer from you to quote is



no paul - not 100s - these are millions and now tell me wich taste you talk about.
do you think that "teen" means that someone likes underaged looking girls?
you failed !!!

away from that you will not even have a chance to get listet in the big search engines with keys that are around this topic.
another thing that you have never realized.


blonde teens? teens with big titts, fat teens, lesbian teens, masturbating teens or teen get fucked ...or or or....

do you have ANY clue what the word "marketing" means ?
if yes you would not ask such a question.

you are again wrong.
the affiliate marketing was the one and only chance that companies with no capital could promote WITHOUT OWN RISK any kind of product and give the promotion into the hands of amateurs.

98% of ALL affiliate sites are made from marketing amateurs and the all failed as soon as they had to compete with real professionals.
can you remember the good old memebership times where people promoted 80% revshare?
this is like going to a bank that offers you 25% interest- who believed that had deserved to get fucked.

have you ever seen a site that was famous because they had the great producers?
i did not and i truly made a few 100 times more money in an average year as you ever did with porn in your lifetime.

you really should start to listen instead spreading a "wiseness" that is far away from wise.
there are ten-thousands of people around that are doing better than you ever could imagine. the most of them you never met or know because they gave a shit of what you are obviously truly believe.

paul, don´t missunderstand me - i have really NOTHING against you - you made the best out of your skills and you made a decent life with that. but I do really don´t know where
but I really don't know where you think you're getting from, that what you could accomplish was only close to what someone can accomplish if he even knows 10% more than you do.
and 10% is flattered here because to survive in this biz you have to know 1000% more than you do.

you don't even know the basics and that you were able to survive with this narrow knowledge at all should make you much more grateful.

the award you can stick on your breast is the same as the one you get when you win the lottery.
you were simply in the right place at the right time - at a time when there weren't even enough blind people - and not a single one who can at least see with one eye.

be thankful for that because if they would have been there they would eat you for breakfast.

Hey...I want to know about shutter speed. WTF is a 180 degree shutter angle?

She's probably sending those outside of the platform via email or something.

https://www.patreon.com/policy/legal

"Restrictions: Creations or benefits with real people engaging in sexual acts."

And most of these people are not paying for regular porn bro. They got tubes for that. They are paying for the interactions and personal up close experience.

They're like Beyonce's beehive or Nicki Minaj's Barbie's. Different ballgame.

Video could very well be her farting in her sleep or something.

As far as producers go, I would start with Kink, Vivid, Ben Dover, Rocco what's his name, Marc Dorcel, Andrew Blake, John Stagliano, Bonnie Rotten...I am sure there are a couple more. Just sayin'

affiliates in the meaning of 2005 are not exiting any more or the survive with some 3-4-digit number.

affiliate biz was overtaken YEARS ago from media buyers and media buy agencies with a few hundred employed media buyers.

if you are not doing 5-digit per month per affiliate program today you are a nobody and you will not be able to compete with the ones that are driving this market.

big media buying companies are calculating in a 5-10% net-ROI and their problem is not the ROI but getting that much traffic that hey can invest a few million per month to make a profitabel biz out of that.

imagine if you have a few hundert million and you go to your bank and ask them for 5% interest PER MONTH what they will tell you.

i can not believe why so many old fashioned guys are not able to calculate that even someone with 10 million cash to invest (wich is a fucking poor) make 500 K EVERY MONTH with that if he only on 5% ROI. why do they think that these people are sleeping?

and WHY does any "yesterday affiliate" think that he can get better conditions as someone that invest that much money in traffic and come up with 5-6 digit signups every month?

i think a big part of this biz have lost the relation to the reality.

I was talking about the entire industry offline. Few to none were ever going to pay what offline people were happy to pay. From Suze Randal to Ernie Taylor, none were going to work for online at the rates online were paying.

Do you sell your labour for 10% of what others will pay? No you won't so why do you think anyone who can point a camera can produce porn.

Some here say they know how to launch sites in micro niches they don't know and love, because they can put up a site and send traffic to it. :upsidedow

So tell us where I'm wrong. I'm talking about the product produced, marketed and sold. Without it there isn't an industry.

I didn't say there's no money to be made. I said there's a limit to the money being made that keeps most of the micro niches small. The fact that only devotees can get it so right the few surfer are willing to buy, retain or rejoin to make a decent living is another hurdle.

all stuff that worked great in the 90s and beginning of the new millenium.
but in compare to the revenues that are realized today with free porn these are peanuts with a net profit that is far under 10% (many of them less than that).

and there is not a lot space for many of them.

so only the very big boys survived - and some of the will when they finally start to adapt to the new affiliate market.

this new affiliate market does not depend on one or a few websites that have today more and tomorrow less traffic to a special interest. they will not be dead when google does not like them anymore because there will always be some site at no1. and this site usually is there because they are focus on traffic generation and not on market this traffic.

a classic affiliate is nailed to the niche he build up in years.
a professional media buyer jumps on any trend with a mouse click.

affiliate biz as we know it from the 90s is not even recognized in the market.
if it all goes nobody would mention it because the traffic for it will still be there and thousands of buyers will jump on it within minutes.

selling porn is just what is was always - 0,29% of the users budget. it WAS like that and it is still like that - just shared through MUCH more people as it was in the end of the 90s
and the beginning of the 21st century. the only difference is that in the meantime the purchase power of the new additional users is MUCH smaller that the purchase power of the few users that we dealt with in the 90s.

All of those people used offline and online as a revenue stream.

Add Wicked, PRO, Private, Hustler, Score, Suze Randall, Viv Thomas, etc, the list is large. They, like me, tapped into the online market as well.

How many porn companies have a few hundred employed media buyers? Or are you talking about mainstream again?

One damn girl in a micro niche actually covers dozens / hundreds / possibly thousands of niches in one.

Hair color, hair length, size, size of tits, shape of teeth, braces or not, tattoos, what she's wearing, positions, sex acts and on and on. And that same girl can cover a limitless # of niches by changing clothes or pissing on her boyfriends face or letting her bush grow or wearing stockings and everything else.

Your simple minded ass "lol can't grow in tiny niche" bullshit is old AF.

did you EVER used a calculator?

if you have a main group for, let´s say "teens" that you are dealing with maybe 2-3% of all porn users.

this 2-3% do NOT like the SAME teen content - they again split in another 100 or 200 target groups. and if you talk about "the content that users want" you are already in one of them.
so divide 2-3% in 200 groups and than check HOW MANY competition will share the same microniche, than explain me how some site should buy even 200 EXCLUSIVE videos per month to finance that.

internet is a mass business since 10 years and not a biz where people are searching for "porn" and are happy to find some.
alone the key "porn" would make you millions in the 90s when you were on 1st.
today it is a "nice to have" but nothing that makes the big traffic numbers.

i market a lot of such sites that are in top positions with the so called "big keys" and i can tell you that those sites get 90% or more of their traffic with very other keys than the ones that made you rich 20 years ago.

again something that you do not have the smallest skills and knowledge but you want to tell us how this biz is working.

if you want to hunt a zebra it is not enough to know that it is striped black and white.
and you need to know MUCH MUCH MORE.

The reason they died off wasn't that they had the wrong product, couldn't market it right. It was because without offline sales they could no longer produce the quality they needed to stay ahead. Look at any niche and see what comes up, free sites where you're lucky to get $5 per 1,000 clicks unless you refine the traffic down and down again. The offline guys were funding production that sustained productions well above that level.

On the budget for selling porn I would say it's more 33% on a good day.

I do agree that new surfer are less likely to pay for porn than existing surfers.

Yes in teens it's fine. Then you can do lesbian teens, Hardcore teens, Gonzo, glamour, legs and so on. But you were talking about catering for people who only like feet, then those that like it only one way. Point out the sites covering micro niches, as you described, and we can see if we're talking about the same thing.

Look on any tube site for the number of people who like Teens as opposed top dirty feet.

You can't grow a tiny niche by changing all you suggest without it becoming a site covering all the niche. Which defeats the point. Don't forget you have to compete with all the other micro niche sites doing exactly the same. Also one girl can be very limiting.

As I said to Thommy, point us to the sites you refer to.

I'm off to bed, great discussion. We need more discussions on the value of the product and the marketing.

loool - yes i know it is not your world - but there are MANY of them.
and you know where the MOST Skilled are?

china, india, netherlands, malysia, thailand, a few in germany, some in canada, a few quite big ones in CZ, poland and ukraine, many in russia nearly NONE (really big) in the US.....

my biggest buyer spends over all networks per month around 75 million and from that he buys 40-50% on adult sites (mainly tubes).

next week i go to AW asia in bangkok - wich is a nonadult show - and i will not be very stressed to get 700thsd-1 milion new revenue for us for 2020 in the first 5 hours because i already stopped to make appointments after the first day because there is more demand as I can supply.

paul believe me - the world is spinning different in this days and you will never understand that.