Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22566497)

Yes in teens it's fine. Then you can do lesbian teens, Hardcore teens, Gonzo, glamour, legs and so on. But you were talking about catering for people who only like feet, then those that like it only one way. Point out the sites covering micro niches, as you described, and we can see if we're talking about the same thing.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22566504)

You can't grow a tiny niche by changing all you suggest without it becoming a site covering all the niche. Which defeats the point. Don't forget you have to compete with all the other micro niche sites doing exactly the same. Also one girl can be very limiting.

As I said to Thommy, point us to the sites you refer to.

I'm off to bed, great discussion. We need more discussions on the value of the product and the marketing.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22566516)

i can not point out such sites because the will not be profitable. there are maybe a few that can survive with 1000-3000 members but this is not a biz - these are peanuts.

I count in big numbers.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22566506)

loool -my biggest buyer spends over all networks per month around 75 million and from that he buys 40-50% on adult sites (mainly tubes).

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 22566033)

I concur :thumbsup

Originally Posted by sadiedazzle (Post 22566635)

Ya know Thommy, I gotta call time on this. There are thousands of small businesses in the world. They support families. They do well. You don't need stupid numbers like you are blinded by to make a good living. So, a couple of questions. Are you rich? Do you own your own house? What kind of car do you drive? Basic questions, because something smells kinda off about this.
There are reasons boutiques survive in the land of Walmarts. Not all coffee places are Starbucks. I have no idea how long you have been in this biz or what it is you do. I am actually curious since you brought it up.
So please let us know how many of the gazillions of dollars that pass through your hands each week actually stick.
I could be wrong, but I would like to know going forward because when you claim that 1 to 3 thousand members is not a business, it makes me really curious about the big numbers you count in.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22566666)

Thommy is the most arrogant dude on GFY. He has knowledge and good information but he is very full of himself. He thinks because he lives in a shithole country where the standard of living is 1/10th of what a 1st World country's is he's somehow the King of Adult. But in the end he is, like so many people, just a middle man, buying and selling other's people's traffic. This does not impess me, even if he is a millionaire.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22566506)

loool - yes i know it is not your world - but there are MANY of them.
and you know where the MOST Skilled are?

china, india, netherlands, malysia, thailand, a few in germany, some in canada, a few quite big ones in CZ, poland and ukraine, many in russia nearly NONE (really big) in the US.....

my biggest buyer spends over all networks per month around 75 million and from that he buys 40-50% on adult sites (mainly tubes).

next week i go to AW asia in bangkok - wich is a nonadult show - and i will not be very stressed to get 700thsd-1 milion new revenue for us for 2020 in the first 5 hours because i already stopped to make appointments after the first day because there is more demand as I can supply.

paul believe me - the world is spinning different in this days and you will never understand that.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22566516)

i can not point out such sites because the will not be profitable. there are maybe a few that can survive with 1000-3000 members but this is not a biz - these are peanuts.

Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 22566524)

I have not and never want to run a standard paysite.

Others here do though, and they know far more on this topic than you ever will or could.

You are worse than someone that understands nothing because you have the fucking opposite ideas in your head and insist that you are right so you start behind the average clueless dumbass.

By the way Paul, setting up a new recurring system for some tiny niche takes about 2 minutes now.

Originally Posted by 3rdshiftvideo (Post 22566652)

No one is spending 30-40 million per month in adult ad buys. Stop it

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22566666)

Thommy is the most arrogant dude on GFY. He has knowledge and good information but he is very full of himself. He thinks because he lives in a shithole country where the standard of living is 1/10th of what a 1st World country's is he's somehow the King of Adult. But in the end he is, like so many people, just a middle man, buying and selling other's people's traffic. This does not impess me, even if he is a millionaire.

Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 22566524)

I have not and never want to run a standard paysite.

Others here do though, and they know far more on this topic than you ever will or could.

You are worse than someone that understands nothing because you have the fucking opposite ideas in your head and insist that you are right so you start behind the average clueless dumbass.

By the way Paul, setting up a new recurring system for some tiny niche takes about 2 minutes now.

Originally Posted by sadiedazzle (Post 22566635)

Ya know Thommy, I gotta call time on this. There are thousands of small businesses in the world. They support families. They do well. You don't need stupid numbers like you are blinded by to make a good living.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22566787)

Can you imagine how much that company would be turning over if it were spending that much on buying ads?

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22566666)

Thommy is the most arrogant dude on GFY. He has knowledge and good information but he is very full of himself. He thinks because he lives in a shithole country where the standard of living is 1/10th of what a 1st World country's is he's somehow the King of Adult. But in the end he is, like so many people, just a middle man, buying and selling other's people's traffic. This does not impess me, even if he is a millionaire.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22566823)

yes i explained you how much they turn over.
and it is a very simple logic.

if an employed media buyer costs 5000 dollar per month and he spends 100 k monthly and makes a 10% ROI - his boss will have a net ROI of around 3% wich would be around 3000 dollar.
if he have 100 such buyers (and there are companies with much more than that) he makes 300k but he would need to invest 10 million. do you really think that for someone who is able to invest 10 million 300k profit is a big deal?

if you think that this people do not exist than you should not explain us here how golden the times have been. a person with a monthly income of 300 K is NOT a superrich. he is upper middle class.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22566820)

yes on the phillipines you can live with 500 dollar profit.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22566820)

yes on the phillipines you can live with 500 dollar profit.

but let´s calculate 1000 members a 20 dollar per month

this is 20.000 us

so now assume that after affiliate share and payment costs there are 8000 left.
from wich you have to pay servers, promo materials and a lot more - if you have a cheap
solution that will cost you another 1000. wich leaves you with 7000.
now assume that you have to update at least 3 videos per day to make it worth for a user and you buy for the price that paul tells you - if it is semi-exclusive you would pay around 50 us per scene. 50x80= 4000 - wich leaves you with 3000 profit.

this is not called biz.



why is that so important for you to know?
I am not here to compare dick length. But the people who know me know that I am doing well.



I am since 1997 in adult internet and since 1999 I also feed the families from my employees (most of them came because they could not do it alone)



I was running a big german membersite from 2000 til 2012.
the memberbase in the best times was around 13-16 k wich means that you need around 3000 to 4000 NEW PAYING members every month when you want to hold this number.
this makes it incredibly expensive because the costs of the infrastructure is a lot higher
and becomes fix costs. if you ever go down from this number of members you must shrink very fast or the costs will eat you.

in my market (wich is mainly the german speaking market) there have been a few VERY big affiliate system that was running hundreds of paysites each.
ALL of them are still HUGE companies with 9-digit yearly revenues - but not one of them is still doing the classic members areas - and they also know why.

there was sexmoney, there was partnercash there was cash4members and many many more - where are they?
ALL of them are still active but they do something else and do it with MUCH MORE success.