iwantsclips good people! :thumbsup

I used to promote them of course, my biggest niche when I started was the extreme / rough stuff, meatholes, facialabuse, dirtydanza, etc... I've even been to cumonherface.com shoots. Degredation sells.

For me personally, the video switching from a girl sucking the dick to the guy jacking it off and cumming on her is a turn off. That is why I've never understood this antiquated mentality that the "pop shot" is what sells, as if a guy needs to see another guy cum to cum himself :1orglaugh

I've sold it and I'm fine with the gangbang as it's kind of hot. The cum in her pussy then another guy immediately stuffs his dick in it to add to the load? Stomach rolling thinking about it.

I think it's a relic of porn when the "photographers" somehow ended up in half the scenes. Of course people want to see them jerking on their wrinkled up, half functioning dick to blow a load on some poor girls tits. :1orglaugh

Who says she has to use me?

Are you disputing that a cameraman can't work to directions, she can't direct or that it would be worse if the picture was framed better?

Thinking I'm a company man is also wrong unless it's my small company.

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Another thing, using Indigo White as an example of the great money solo girls can make with their own camera work is about as sensible as using Tori Black as an example of what porn models can earn. Indigo is very, very good at what she does and most girls don't come close to her performance. What she is doing is good and others will follow. The problem will be the more that follow the less she makes.

Because porn buyers who like Indigo, or what girls like this are doing, when offered 2 or 3 options go for them, make that 20 or 30 and the audience is split so everyone earns a bit less. Give them 200 or 300 and the same market gets so much choice the suppliers make meagre money. If online porn has taught you anything it must have taught you this.

More garbage. If she is actually smart she sends her referrals to OnlyCams, Chaturbate and anything else using a referral code and makes money while sleeping no matter who her fans spend money on.

You are completely out of touch. What should she do instead, pay you thousands a day to shoot her content and make $0 to prove your point? :1orglaugh

You really are thick. No matter how much traffic she generates the product has to be appealing to enough people to make the exercise viable. Her content is either good enough or not and she's not the big earner some are claiming.

Will OnlyCams, Chaturbate take more or less than she would lose on her own site? As for sending traffic to other girls, that's your job not hers and she wants to just get traffic from her site where people sign up to watch her videos and wait for her online live performances. Live performances to 100s can be cheap or part of the membership or she can rely on tips.

Pay $1,000 a day!!! What world are you living in?

Content producers these days don't earn $1,000s a day. As she's faking most of her scenes she can rattle off 5-6 videos a day. You do know she's faking it and it's very possible to do 5-6 faked scenes a day. Is she earning $200 a scene?

Please stick to what you know, whatever that is, and leave the product and it's production to those that do know.

You are literally clueless and conversations with you have no chance of going anywhere because you start out with one goal, to stroke your own cock.

So you're saying the product doesn't have to be good to drive and convert traffic. That she wouldn't earn more with her own site that has her recorded videos and her live shows on. That she is better off giving a large chunk of her money to OnlyCams, Chaturbate and selling clips on clip stores who again take a huge chunk of her money.

And you claim this girl is a fine example of what other girls can earn by working on their own.Which isn't as much as $200 a scene.

Why buy if free?

This has always been a problem selling porn. In the beginning it was why buy magazines if TGPs give away free images?

Then it was the DVD industry that suffered. Why spend $30 for 5 scenes when for $30 you could get a months supply of scenes?

Now it's why spend $30 a month when Tubes give you 100s of new scenes a month, plus all the existing scenes for free. No trapped into spending money on a good tour and crap members area, no emails month after month, no cross sales, no risk of getting your card banged, the wife finding out, etc.

The reasons to buy have to really good after all the negatives of paying for porn.

Added to this problem is the moving market syndrome, marketing people will be familiar with that term. Where are the new customers going to come from to replace the ones that left?

For years the Internet lived off the millions who bought offline porn, when they all came online where were the new customers coming from? India, China, Africa, Asia, S. America? No the amount of traffic that bought porn wasn't worth a damn. 18 year olds maybe could replace those leaving, no they were happy to get wanking material for free and tubes happy to supply it.

New markets such as Cams, solo girls, micro niches, etc. This is the silliest of assumptions put out by affiliates and traffic generators who know nothing about marketing or selling. Because it assumes all those who now buy Cams, solo girls, micro niches, etc never bought porn before. :1orglaugh :Oh crap

No they all bought porn before and all they do is buy the porn they like the best of what's on offer. They don't buy no porn at all because it's not live, a girl shooting herself, the micro niche they're into. These are marketing tools used to take customers from someone else to a new site.

There's still money to be made in porn, but not what there would be if affiliates had not been paid 50% and given everything to aid them throw away free porn.

Why do you keep putting words in people's mouths? I said, clearly I might ad, that if a cam girl uses her AFFILIATE LINK when sending people to her webcam shows (or anything), which is something she is ALREADY DOING DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, that she is now making money while she sleeps and long term.

THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT I'VE HELPED GIRLS DO SINCE 2001

I take girls that make $1000 to $1500 a week on webcam and turn that into $2500 to $3000 a week with the extra commissions. With revshare this increases over time and so many of the women I've worked with 5 years ago no longer get on cam but still cash checks from sponsors because the person they referred spends money on 1 or 1000 other cam girl / clips / wtf ever.

Your stupid ass premise of "they came for her, not someone else!" is bullshit. She gets the cam money, she gets the referral money and she can do 1000 things.

Your premise that people can't make money like the good old days with this new system is bullshit.

I've been doing this for over 18 years and I make money in exactly this way. I don't need to produce content, I don't need to hire photographers and I don't need to have tits. I make money because there is porn everywhere in the same way PornHub makes money because there is porn everywhere. If you want to go back 20 years it's the same fucking model that started this industry with sites like PersianKitty.com linking to shit that was already online. She got traffic from FREE PORN and sold ads. Clickcash paid $10,000 a month for banners on shit websites, who the hell knows what they paid her.

What people laugh at with you is that by virtue of having shot content for years to submit to magazines you had an enormous head start on virtually everyone on earth and still couldn't figure it out. You are so worried about getting "top dollar" for your shitty ass pictures that you passed up literal truckloads of money.

I can't remember the name of the company anymore but someone will know it. They had sterile teen content just like you. Posed pictures, shitty props and fake ass magazine porn. I bought 4 sets from them in 2003 and made well into 7 figures collectively from those 4 sets. I doubt you've sold 7 figures of your own content on the internet. I would have bought more but I quit even trying to find relevant content for amateur since nobody does it right and the shit screencaps from Ifriends were better for that than anything you have ever or will ever shoot.

You know nothing. That in itself is fine but you keep trying to teach people that do know something how they were wrong.

If whatever girl you pull out of your ass makes 100k or 1 million a year on whatever she is doing there are two things that are true.

1) She can make even more with my help and without spending a cent on anything you'd suggest.

2) I can make money from the fact that she has content out there with or without ever having talked to her.

The end.

Search results were more profitable when Google wasn't giving them all away from free. - Some Paul Markham Shit

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Your last comment is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in all of GFY history. Holy shit you are so out of touch they should give you your own forum here to keep the misinformation away from unsuspecting noobs.

They did give him his own forum. Really, right here on GFY...

https://gfy.com/the-paul-markham-know-how-forum/

He wasted the opportunity to earn bank - Again... :(

Shit, maybe that was stuck in my brain from long ago or something. :1orglaugh

So you're saying she earns more money on other sites than with her own site. Plus you can take a girl earning $1500 a week on webcam and turn that into $2500 to $3000 a week on other people's sites. 1,000 things, would you like to list them because I know what models can do and it's sell themselves. How much do these other people charge, how much do you get? $3,000 a week is not a lot of money for a top model and maybe enough to allow her to get her own site.

As for my sales. Unlike silly little guys like you we had to spend money a long time before magazines printed and paid the investment would bankrupt you. We had to know what to shoot because if it wasn't right we didn't sell. Unlike liars online our work is here for everyone to see. Where is the site? No one shoots it right and you couldn't afford to find someone to do it right with a million dollars turn over? Didn't you read that back and realise it was stupid?

The fact that so much free porn of a good quality is out there no one earns as much as they could if all there was were link lists directing people to tours.

But you still haven't answered the main point of my post. You don't create new buyers all you do is fight to gain the attention of the few surfers who will buy by giving them free porn. And if that porn is shit you can't drive traffic with it, if it's great you will drive some and maybe 1-100 will buy.

From 1998 when I first took notice of online porn I realised that to make real money you had to be very very good at getting traffic to a site. This required a few things. Great content, good relations with big free site owners and/or the money to pay for positions, someone good at driving traffic who was trust worthy.

Because for every site that was doing better than we were there was a 100 doing worse. Small sites that couldn't get great content, couldn't get the relationships or money to pay for advertising, couldn't get someone to organise the traffic.

Access to models, skills producing content of different types, I had the money to invest in content and the money to buy adverts. What I didn't have was the ability to do what affiliates do, because I still don't know what level of rocket science it takes to turn 4 sets into a $million. It has to be super complicated because only 1 or 2 can make that kind of money.

What a pity JSWENSON didn't come to me and team up so we could all make $millions from 4 sets over and over again. Because I'm sure I could shoot it right.

I have never and will never post my sites here. I have zero reason to do so unless I want to give slow people ideas.

To pretend that $3000 a week isn't good money for a girl working from home instead of getting her pussy busted up on a regular basis while contracting every STD that isn't HIV is a fucking joke. We all know the cycle of porn girls and it's not something people should strive for. $3000 a week is great money for a girl sitting in her room working 15 or 20 hours a week instead of posting in hot ass studios while some old fuck tells her how to spread her lips or how he'll pay her more if she fucks him on camera.

And I never said that was a top girl. I can do that with ANY girl that already posts her shit around for free or pay.

You have no idea what I do or have done because I don't care to share. I have adult and mainstream businesses and have been driving traffic online since 1999. I will keep using my worthless traffic to make money and you can keep using your worthless content to sell a $500 blowout package once every 4 years.

This shows how stupid you are. You don't need to rely on Google if your sites contain the answer the surfers are looking for.

People go to a site without the help of any search engine if the site is good and pleased them before. How many times do you buy from a completely new source. Or do yo go back to a place you know and trust?

The problem with using free content to get traffic is obvious. Anyone can do it and there for everyone does. Giving 100s of affiliates free content means they're allsharing the available surfers. So now more there's free content online than paid for content. SEO is a help if you get on the first few pages.

But the problem is back in the days of TGPs a few sites like The Hun had most of the traffic. Today a few Tubes do. Because surfers love them and affiliates don't even see the vast majority.

Hey Paul, why did sites like PersianKitty get huge?

And all the mainstream sites?

Cause people wandered in and found it? Put it in their 7000 bookmarks?

Fucking dolt. :1orglaugh

Because they were better than the rest. Just like The Hun was and Pornhub is.

Did I say don't use any SEO processes at all? The fact that it was bookmarked proves me right. Once people found it they bookmarked it and returned time after time, search engines were supplying new traffic and they weren't relying on it as much as many affiliates.

Same with mainstream sites like Google. Do you always use a new SE or return to Google? Same goes for Reddit, Alexa, Wikipedia, Facebook, YouTube, etc.

Stop displaying your stupidity it's too easy to counter. 7000 bookmarks proves that.

A great example of having to share the available audience is TV. Netflix and HBO were on there own as a paid channel for drama entertainment. Now Hulu, Apple, Disney, Youtube, Amazon in the market, etc. So they if don't create completely new viewers, they will have to share and all make less money.

Show us your site so we can see how good it is.

You are functionally retarded online.

My point was Google gives you results for free. Using your stupid logic they could make more by charging.

Thousands of people figured out how to make money on porn including third world morons that barely speak English. All these years talking to some of the best in the game and you have yet to figure out how it works.

And eBay should cancel their affiliate program and keep 100% of the profit according to you. :1orglaugh

Just hire some in house kids to generate traffic. Surely they can reproduce the efforts of thousands of webmasters. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

If no one charged for search engine Google would charge or have a membership program. Alexa is a great example of a site that charges for information via a membership.

If anyone can do it, everyone earns very little because they share the available market. If it's very very hard to do the very few who can do it make a lot of money. You have to be one of the few so show us your site so we can see how good it is. Don't worry about everyone copying it, because it has to hard to do it. If you made $millions doing it. :1orglaugh

Again you display your stupidity.

This was the problem when I tried to hook up with a traffic guru. I got so much "I"m making a fortune and I can make it for you to." Without an ounce of proof, often not even a website that showed how good they were. Never with any proof they made more than anyone else and when asked they told me they never shared this information.

Imagine recruiting a salesman, marketing person or programmer without a CV he could prove. Imagine employing a designer who refuse to show his designs, a photographer refusing to show his photos.

When it smells like bullshit, don't taste it to find out?

The best marketers on the planet would have trouble selling your shit. It's trash.

My sites have been posted here by others multiple times over the years but not by me and nobody knew I owned them. It's staying that way. If I were going to show someone anything I've done it would not be in public since my shit is unique and I'm keeping it that way.

That has fuck all to do with generating traffic which everyone on this forum except you knows how to do.

I agree I don't know how to generate traffic, because it's easy to learn, everyone here has learned it and not of much use unless you're happy to earn small money. The exception to that are the biggest Tubes who do make money.

What I do know is how to market in the real sense of the word. Getting the products outstanding unique features and turning them into benefits to the customer. People,who've earned 8 and 9 figures from selling porn do like my porn and they've bought it. They also are easy to find online. Paul Raymond, David Sullivan, David Gold, Larry Flynt, and many more.

They don't lie that they bought 4 sets and made 7 figures but never repeated it. Because they couldn't find the right content again. Yes that was a lie, because an idiot knows that if you show a photographer what you want he can recreate it for you and change the girl. This has been done in porn millions of times.

Like your lies about having a unique site. If it's online and can't be found you're no good at driving traffic to it. If it is found and is worth copying it is copied and not unique.

Stop showing us how stupid you are. I've been trolled by far better than you. You're shit at it.

7 figures from THAT little site, pushing Clickcash.

Ask the Join4Free people how much they made from the same sponsor.

Ask the sane webmasters here how much Clickcash paid them.

There is nobody that was around in the 00's that would argue against what webcams paid. I was in their affiliate top 10 and I'm sure someone here can give you an idea what that is worth.

S why not repeat it again and again and not come up with the lame excuse of not getting the right content so not being able to repeat it?

Don't fucking lie, because others here can see your lies as easily as me.

So in 23 years affiliates were earning a million each. How many affiliates do they have? Because according to you they would pay out trillions in 23 years.

I opened Bargain Basement so broke affiliates like you could buy content.

The reason I friends wasn't giving you the content you needed was you weren't worth giving content to.

The fuck are you talking about you brain dead idiot?

I didn't buy more content because it converted like shit compared to actual content from cam girls. I never stopped and do a plethora of things in adult and mainstream. By the way Paul, I've probably spent $50,000 on content over the years even though I just let it sit on a hard drive until it crashed. Lot of know nothing content providers had blowouts over the years and sold content with resale right and I picked them up just in case.

You? :1orglaugh

I had permission to use any content I wanted and had websites with literally all available content and screen grabs I took myself. Clickcash reps knew me by name, same for Will, p1mpdogg, MrPheer, INFOMAN(sp) and a few others from here.

Shout out to Stacy, hit me up if you are still around girl.

See avatar, lot of the heavy hitters in there.

And only you are stupid enough to think every affiliate would know how to make the same money. Most used shit content like yours and tried to promote webcams the same way they promoted paysites which works like shit. I converted 1:12 to 1:25 over the years. :pimp

https://i.imgur.com/0knRdc8.png

Average conversions from all of these people 1:47. Posted in advance of Paul saying those ratios are impossible without his magic 80's content. :1orglaugh

And hilariously the very bottom of their page even gives some promotion advice for Paul and others in regards to amateur content. I love it. :1orglaugh

Can I remind you what you said?

I bought 4 sets from them in 2003 and made well into 7 figures collectively from those 4 sets. I doubt you've sold 7 figures of your own content on the internet. I would have bought more but I quit even trying to find relevant content for amateur since nobody does it right and the shit screencaps from Ifriends were better for that than anything you have ever or will ever shoot.

No body said you didn't promote them. You said you made 7 figures from 4 sets. And did even better with screen grabs. :1orglaugh

So you had a site that promoted Clickcash. Clever you.

And you were so clever other people couldn't do the same. So why are you scared to show us your sites?

From that screenshot it looks like 17 other people could do the same at the time. :upsidedow

The thing I find so hilarious about Mr. Paul Markham is he is constantly going on and on about how the quality of the product has to be great otherwise it won't sell regardless of how much traffic you throw at it. Pauls' got a point, of course. But the irony here is that Paul's OWN CONTENT is pure shit, shot poorly, boring as fuck and ultimately didn't sell on the Internet.

So the mastermind behind Paul Markham Teens is going to tell all of US about "quality" and what does or doesn't sell. It's highly entertaining. :1orglaugh

He also misses that quality means fuck all when talking cams promoted to people looking for "real" girls. In fact, same goes for any real amateur content. Quality = fake.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh So true! I sometimes enter some of these threads but after one or two replies I remember you can't fix stupid and bow out of the thread.

So point out sites that can sell crap content and I will point out sites that sell good content and we will see who is doing better.

Convincing the surfer the porn is real is the essence of porn. Whether it's Playboy or Amateur.

Do you really think surfers want to pay money to see models faking it badly?

Content driven traffic, TGPs and Tubes, rely on content to make the surfer click links. They have to think the models are getting off doing the scene, they do not want to see models going through scenes faking it badly, then see tours of more faked porn. The surfer has seen 1,000s of examples of good porn and bad porn he knows the difference. The better the porn the more traffic, the more joins, the more retains.

It's harder to find new fresh attractive models who can do a good scene, it's easy to ugly girls who will fake it. It's dead easy to shoot badly faked porn so anyone can do it. The market is flooded. It's tougher to shoot good porn. The market is under supplied. The surfers are more likely to pay, the sites are more likely to get affiliates.

Do Pornnerd's sites have as many sales, affiliates, content, success as Fake Taxi? Of course not. If it was just down to how much traffic was driven this wouldn't be the case, affiliates wouldn't care which sites they pushed, surfers wouldn't care what sites they joined, the amount of content wouldn't depend on only traffic, success wouldn't depend on the quality of the porn.

Does anyone here believe JSWENSON can make 7 figures from 4 sets?

Don't answer "If he could drive enough traffic." Because it means NO.

Did it. Was fun. We called our girls by 'name' when discussing how much we made that day. Your simple mind can't comprehend anything new so it's useless but some here have a clue.

So what did you use the 4 sets for?

I moved from Geocities and Angelfire to a $10 per gig host to see what happened. It converted worse, cost money to run and I let it die.

https://i.imgur.com/iPO7gAO.png

This always gets me as well :1orglaugh :1orglaugh