The market in general is bigger and there are also more consumers. There's plenty of room for a pay site to grow in today's market - but not using what worked yesterday. :2 cents:

What we're all leaving out though is the Instagram thots and Twitter thots who've never spent a minute on a porn set who are clearing 6 figures monthly on OF / MV, etc. Most of the porn stars are new to that hustle besides girls like Lana Rhoades.

Some of the OF girls who were just IG thots before have their subs / "fans" public and they're north of 10k at $19.95 / month plus their HUGE upsell of 2-3 "better" vids to the inbox for $20 each weekly.

I don't think so, I KNOW SO. Top girls are asking for 4-5x their regular rate to shoot, it's not worth their time. We've had cancellations from top girls who were already on the high end ($2500 a scene) ask for 10k+ a scene, because they make over $100k per month on onlyfans/MV. and 10k was the bare minimum.

and on the other end of the spectrum, we have girls that have offered to shoot for literally next to nothing, just for the exposure of being our site, which gets more fans to their content they control.

Breaks my heart to see a girl like Mia Khalifa who is so anti porn industry, sit on IG trying to sell fucking signed calanders and sports betting pics, I truly believe that chick would make $200k/month on those platforms with her enourmous popularity and brain.

The next year or so is going to be very interesting. I feel this new method of the platforms could somewhat fuck up cam sites (what girl wants to sit on cam for an hour to make $40-$200/hour) and potentially even tube sites. Manyvids almost has 1 million exclusive videos and such an engaged audience, the majority of that audience are super fans and spenders. Compare that to a tube site with 7 million non exclusive and dvd ripped videos and traffic from Bangladash rotting away your bandwidth bill. You have no comparison.

Onlyfans is even more genius, it's a god damn massive paywall. You can't see shit unless you pay and you will see every instagram thot pushing that shit more and more as word spreads amongst those communities.

Now what I believe is the achilles heel of these programs.
1) credit card regulations (it's hard to police 1 million videos for compliance)
2) If twitter/IG get smart and ban the shameless auto post spamming "Donna just sold a video click here" every 3 minutes. That will take a massive chunk out of the organic growth.

The future is quickly becoming

0 Advertising cost
0 Content Costs

and putting the power of content in the pornstars hands.

That's exactly what I hear, Most girls with earn enough to keep them doing it, few crack $50k a month. Telling us one girl earns $100k and believing it's a huge revenue stream for everyone is stupid. Think about the traffic numbers it requires to support this type of revenue for more than a couple of girls.

Not everyone will pay for porn, want amateur self shot material, fall in love with a performer, have the money to consume the amount of content required, will pay for unseen content. That's one of the biggest stumbling blocks I'll bet the drop off in traffic is huge when they find out they have to pay to see anything. .

So give us some names of these big earners so we can see what their traffic numbers are like. So far no one has given a name of one girl earning $100k a month. Or are all their names to remain a huge secret? One girl isn't enough we need to see a bunch of names to see if it's a hge revenue stream.

see - there were two options to reply

1. thank you for your valuable input
2. more senseless drivel

you really think someone would put names out here? Maybe invite the IRS as well to the party?

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Paul is so fucking clueless.

I am not the retired guy shaking his fists at the sky in this thread. How about this, lets meet back here in a year and see where the industry is.

Best thread of 2020 so far!

How are the girls being paid?

Do you really believe girls earning 7 figures are keeping it quiet from the IRS? If you do your stupid. Of course, if it's just a ploy to avoid backing up your bullshit I commend you for trying.

I've always been a firm believer in girls doing it for real and if it takes girls doing this in their own productions I'm all for it. From what I've seen there are girls who do a real scene for their own promotion rather than the fake moaning, fake fucking, fake orgasms online publishers seemed to revel in. Scenes like these are turning viewers off.

AmazingContent.com - high quality adult content since 2003

AmazingContent.com - high quality adult content since 2003

So girls who are ready to masturbate of fuck for real, let their audience see the real thing is always going to have a bigger impact than the endless dross so many sites put out.

However, if girls do the same thing on their own sites they won't have the impact while other girls deliver the real thing.

The problem is proving that they can earn 7 figures. Most earn 5 figures with a few making it to 6. I truly doubt they are hiding their success in fear of the IRS and expect you trolls of hiding from being exposed as liars.

*you're


PS: If you don't like that content I am the wrong person to compain to, I am just brokering that.

So just a ploy to continue trolling.

I used your site as an example of what has turned viewers off a certain style of porn. Well shot, well lit and very badly acted isn't fooling many these days and putting on a site at the top will swiftly turn viewers off.

Replace it with better content to keep more people coming.

Next week I will blow your mind and tell you there are even cam models that make 6 figures a month! thousands of them!

[\QUOTE]The future is quickly becoming

0 Advertising cost
0 Content Costs

and putting the power of content in the pornstars hands.[/QUOTE]


We're all gonna die.

oh no, I'm doomed then :helpme

Crazy.

😬

Does it make you feel more important or less to know others earn so much and you don't?

I've never understood why people keep telling us others are earning the money when they earn so little. It's like a shelf stacker in a supermarket boasting the CEO of the company earns so much. :upsidedow

https://gfy.com/22590492-post36.html

https://gfy.com/22590492-post36.html

:2 cents:

It’s gotta be eating you up inside on a daily basis that you started before 99.9% of this board and never really made any real considerable money in this business.

Now it must sting so much more that some 30 year old Pornstars are making over a million a year and you and I are living on food stamps :(

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/02/09/style/onlyfans-porn-stars.amp.html

I am sure the magazine resurgence is right around the corner, hold strong Paul, hold strong.

In CZ, you get food stamps only if you are employed by someone else :1orglaugh

Only Fans and sites like it have changed the industry for the better. Getting it out of the hands of people who only see people as traffic, think they were in charge of what was delivered to consumers and very often tricking them into spending money. Then paying these clowns 50%for doing the job any person could do I've always known that consumers want a real person to jerk off to, love the idea of communicating with models and wany models to enjoy their work as much as they do.

Does every or even the majority of girls earn 7 figures or even high 6 is the question? Common sense tells us no because there aren't that many consumers ready to spend on porn. Not enough want an Amateur product, one look at Danni's Instagram account will tell you that. https://www.instagram.com/missdanniiharwood/?hl=en Magazine style is still wanted. People want to see models done up to the T for them, want to see her professionally shot by someone capable. So the style of magazine shooting isn't so dead and never died.

The losers in the Only Fans adaption aren't professional shooters, it's the idiots who think they deserve 50% for submitting endless clips to Tube sites and want free everything as well. I'm sure if Danni sells videos of herself shot by a professional they will outsell anything she does on her own. Which is the same for any good looking girl, the problem is most can't afford to spend money on it.

View her statement of PH https://www.pornhub.com/users/danniiharwoodnet/videos

He's an idiot who can only manage to work for someone else. Then goes around making grand assumptions about what people earn.

This from https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...aking-15894499

How much do Only Fans take? 20% so $12.99 x 1,000 = $12,990.00 less 20% $2,598 = $10,392. So a yearly income a long way short of the 7 figures this moron claims. But a nice income and far better than she would earn relying on Bangbus.

The top girl on Only Fans;

One girl earning this should be balanced out with all the girls earning a few thousand a month.

Because;

"If people want to see hardcore pornography, they just go on the internet and they’d get that for free. That’s not what my page is about. My page is about interaction, personalising my content to suit each guy, offering so much different stuff like games and fetishes that it appeals to a lot of people. I try to keep it tasteful, even though I show my body.” And we know millions want hardcore and the brains decided giving it to them for free was the way to sell more. :upsidedow

This guy rocks out with his cock out, in a good way. Solid. I guess what you would expect?

PAUL STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY THREADS in the future you fucking relic. You're retired.. stay this way.

That being said, anyone wanna meet up in Vegas. Love to see some old and new faces.
Paul you stay home. Geez.

Without me, this thread would have dropped to page 4 by now, you should be thanking me for keeping it alive. Have fun in Vegas.

id rather 1 page of business ob page 50 than anything with you in it.

Don’t be a dick Joe

Let's be honest. You won't get 1 page of business from people looking to buy exclusive content from you or anyone else. All you were getting were bumps from people who don't buy content.

GFY is a bad place to look for content business. You need to approach people direct asking what they're looking for, offering prices that are competitive in today's market and a list of girls with what they do.

The content business has changed dramatically since pre-tubes even then online wasn't a great place to make money selling exclusive content. It was flooded with people wanting cheap content and idiots selling it to them. The place to make money was with a site and a good shooter or offline. Now it's a terrible place to make money.

So don't blame me for telling you the truth, of course, if you know otherwise why are you worried about what I say.

The most biz I've done EVER on this board are the people that DONT post. SO MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BIZ

Im a dick for telling a fucking RELIC , not even in the biz to stop being a dumbass. WELL IM A DICK THEN.

yes but are you a hard dick!!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm telling people here about the changes in the industry. You touting for business on GFY proves I'm right and you're a dickhead.

No worries, I can take it. :1orglaugh

I am a dickhead... but I'm still here doing work you old fucking relic.

YOU calltime anyone a “relic” is pretty laughable!

Joe stop acting like this thread was actually going to give you any leads

I dont know how big the market is for fat pasty white guys getting POV blowjobs in 320p

It's 2020.

True. The days of content producers making a living off producing cheap pap that filled a site for countless affiliates to sends loads of traffic, convert a few and everyone makes a living are over.

Today you have to produce something 1-1,000 or less want to pay for and the owner of the site can sell enough not to have to produce for himself.

Old Jeff, Porn Dude and others make a living off bundling these site together and selling memberships with the owner getting a cut.

Joe needs to adapt or die, retire or change profession.

Not a lot as you're touting for business on GFY. Read what I just posted above.

Agreed!
There's a good educated debate, spiked with trolling and hilarious comments.
Please all continue, it feels like reading an excellent book while drinking cold beer and having fireworks in the background :).

So far the educated debate is only coming from me. I've commented on the state of the industry today. After the initial post Joe offered nothing but abuse to me, not that it worries me.

Im always touting for biz you fucking relic. You think Coca Cola stops advertising because they sell a can of soda. Just die already Markham, you've been an idiot for a complete generation

So not getting regular business from your established client base. That doesn't look good for you.

ComparingCoke with your business was a bit silly.

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Joe, wishing death upon someone certainly won’t get you any new clients! In fact, how the hell do you sleep at night saying stuff like that? SMH

Pipecrew no one disputes top girls earn good money and if they don't want to work for your company good luck to them.

The problem is the other girls earning a couple of thousand a month and even those who earn that a year. Like everything else in porn, it's a saturated market with few buyers.

You idiot when I say die you know i mean from this thread.

How is it silly . Coke sells a product advertises for more clients. I sell a product and always look for more clients, maybe thats why your a failure.

Coke sells a pretty plain product, maybe that's what you need to change and become a vintage wine of the porn business.

The days of churning out the same product over and over are over.

I too thought you meant I was to die when you said die.

This is true, valid points for all actually on here.

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We interface and work with so many models on the content side on a daily basis, and see/hear of their numbers so it's interesting about the perception out there even from an industry view. 90% of girls are hustling ancillary revenue outside of production shoots. The next rush is happening now and it's evident who has the new money…consumer engagement is important now regardless of content. Why OF, AVN Stars etc are on the rise.

Think about this...it took this industry and the delivery model over 20 years to evolve, now it's evolving and changing almost every few years. - that pretty amazing to see, this is a reality.

It's the same with many mainstream industries as well, the world and revenue models are all influenced by the evolution of technology. If you haven’t cut the cord on cable, you will soon but in the meantime, there are plenty of customers around for those companies. Licensed/Ad sponsored TV is the same way…there is so much free content out there to consume that is ad-sponsored you couldn’t run out of stuff to watch, people just syndicate it differently to make revenue.

Music? Artist work harder for less, but they work…and example of this is some award-winning artists get paid $0.005 per stream 10gs a year (sux), they still put out content and make $ via other means….some bank, most indy artists don’t. Spotify banks though from its subs and ads :)

There are a ton of pessimistic views on where we are at and that's natural. Content is still valuable, it still sells, just sells differently….knowing your customer, knowing your niche…it still works - again it works differently.

Very true. It's always been good when models interact with consumers. I was the one who suggested we get the general public into shows to meet models to raise the profiles of the sites. No one agreed with me even if it was only on days allocated to the public.

Models can sell porn a lot better than affiliates if they can interact with them and social media allows them to or gives the impression they are.

The problem is those who try to sell the "Onlyfans" method as a way for all models or even the vast majority to make a very good living. For most, it's a way to earn something along with camming, hooking and other things to make an average living.

Because of the sheer numbers of people on porn tubes consuming free porn and the terrible ratios they convert at. And the number of models turning to this form of earning money. Like everything else in porn once the entry bar is set as low as possible, the flood in saturates the limited market.

Just because a few girls earn 6 figures doesn't mean every girl does.