The death rate will appear to drop as more testing as done, but it is actually not moving that much. The cases of covid are climbing because there is a lot more testing being done. Personally I think there are massive amounts of false positives.

Yup. Waste of time

Are you an idiot?

The virus is carried by droplets, the bacteria test is a visual representation of how many droplets made it through the mask, nothing to do with bacteria being good or bad. Whatever the size the virus isn't flying by itself it is encapsulated in respiratory droplets.

Goodness me, some of you really are imbeciles.

The rate is dropping somewhat but you're right in that it "appears" to be dropping more because of the increased testing. But it is dropping.

And yeah, testing has increased dramatically all over the world so of course cases are going up. But, that doesn't mean cases are actually going up. It's just that we cans see them now whereas before we couldn't but the situation hasn't changed.

And the media is playing this out like we are going backwards, having a field day reporting all the case increases like the fire is spreading and getting out of control.

We all love to be in this hysteria ...

What about the opposing claims that a mask is able stop viruses but still allow oxygen and carbon dioxide through? You can't have it both ways

masks stop droplets that contain viruses...better than nothing...its like claiming we should not wear seat belts because not everybody survives with a belt...an idiot can see why seat belts and masks help even if not 100%...

The main reason you wear a mask is to not infect others.

If you are close to people that are infected without them knowing (which is the majority of the infected people) and they don't wear a mask and they caugh or sneeze or even talk you, you are MUCH more likely to get infected than if they'd were a mask. So if everyone wears a mask, the virus spreads much slower. It's just common sense, I don't understand why it's even debated.


I live in South Korea, were everyone wears a mask and it's not even mandatory (except in public transport in some regions). People were a mask because they don't want lockdowns like in other parts of the world. We have never had any lockdowns here and are able to go to bars, cinemas, gyms, malls, amusement parks, etc all those things that are considers 'high risk', yet we only have 60 cases a day (it was even 0 some days).

If everyone wears a mask the virus spreads much much slower, and you don't need any of those lockdowns. I rather wear a mask and have a normal life without almost any limitations. Life here has been 99% normal during this pandemic. I'd choose that over not wearing a mask.

"Useless" is an exaggeration. Viral load matters and any mask will help reduce that.

You have a choice. Continue to argue your point via random links analyzing whether masks help or not or be a responsible adult so that you can start returning to close-to-normal life as soon as possible. The majority of the world chose the latter and they're out and about again after having tackled the first wave.

Yes, it is simple logic, after lockdown passed, i think for government would be much less cost if they simply invested money into good masks and giving them instead restricting everything.

Fiddy retards not wearing a mask.

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I love this argument. It's made by people who want to feel better about the crisis. "Of course we are getting more positives because we are testing more...."

OK yes. But HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE GOING UP! I would agree with the naysayers IF positive tests were going up but hospitalizations were remaining flat but they are not. They are going UP.

Which means? More people are getting sick! Sure the death rate is lower now because hospitals have figured out (somewhat) effective treatments that are preventing mass deaths. But who wants to be that sick, on a respirator, etc?

Wake up people PLEASE.

Sure you can.

O2=152 pm
CO2=232 pm
SARS-CoV-2=0.12 microns

So, a single SARS-CoV-2 virus is roughly 789 times the size of on O2 molecule.

However, respiratory droplets - the means of transmission - are > 5 microns, so you're looking at a minimum size difference of 32,894 times greater than an 02 molecule.


A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients

That's math. It has nothing to do with feeling better. We test more, we find more positives. It doesn't mean cases are going up.

Yes they are, in some states only. That is much more pertinent information (hospitalizations vs cases) and I'm glad you brought that up. Most people never care to talk about the nuances and multiple factors that make up this pandemic. They only show you a graph of cases and use it to justify whatever response they see fit.

In Florida, it's mostly young people testing positive, which means nothing as they recover quickly. So while cases may be rising there (we don't know for sure but it could be), they don't have the same problem others do. They don't need to be alarmed.

Arizona has a problem. Why though? Inadequate health system? Aging population? Obesity problem? They may have to deal with the opening differently although again, nobody talks about what's going on. What happens there may not happen elsewhere.



This is a virus. It's not going away. People are supposed to get sick. We have to manage it and not avoid it because we can't. The more we stay locked down, the longer this will be drawn out and the more devastating the consequences for us all down the road (on top of how bad it already will be because of the 4 months in lockdown already).

It's very simple.
Let's say you are in a car with 4 people.
2 of them are infected.
The virus spreads from droplets from talking, coughing, sneezing etc.
If the 2 infected people were a mask the other 2 people are obviously much much less likely to get infected. It greatly reduces the chance. If the other 2 people also wear a mask it reduces the chance even more. So of course masks help. I don't get how anyway could say mask do not work, it's common sense.

There might be some disadvantages in wearing a mask for very long periods of time, but the advantages are far far bigger.

You don't wear a mask just for yourself, you mainly wear it to not infect others. It's a collective thing, that greatly helps slowing down the spread of the virus. The more people were masks, the faster things go back to normal.

Cases are spiking a lot in the US and some cities are even starting to close down again because people are too stubborn to wear a mask. I'd rather wear a mask and go back to normal...

Two points: while young people are testing positive more this IS a problem. Why? Because they can be spreaders to people less equipped to deal with it (elderly, existing conditions, etc). And when I see the data from Fl, Texas and AZ (and Alabama and S.Carolina and a few other States) it shows me that hospitalizations and ICU stays are rising along with the test results. NOT good.

And yes, it's a virus and we must learn to live with it. But unlike other viruses (like the flu) we do not have sufficient tools yet to "live with it". No mass immunity, no vaccine, varied treatments but nothing universal....so again this is UNlike other viruses we have learned to live with. Will we live with this eventually? Yes - but not for another year or more. Until then: wear a mask!

People are acting like they have to wear masks 24/7 and what a hardship it is. My God people we're talking a few minutes a day at most, when you go out to the store, etc. Amazing.

Amazon only has a billion left.

Actually, this is not really correct. Amazon SAYS they have a billion left. But we have been trying to order some for my "legit" job, and you always get an email after the order saying they are back ordered indefinitely.

Surely you're not saying Amazon is lying? So it's true Amazon is Satan.