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BigFurry 07-21-2020 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22705400)
You are absolutely incorrect. A contract is a contract, and what binds you to what you sign. It is in fact even your problem if you sign a contract in a language you do not understand. If not, what the fuck is the point of a contract to begin with? Contracts are meant to read. If it very clearly fucking says that your videos may be posted on the internet then your videos may be posted on the internet. If you don't understand what you are signing then you don't sign it and have a lawyer review it. I know from experience that a contract will hold up in court, and "I didn't read it" is no defence.

A written contract supersedes an oral contract.

By your reasoning I can go sign a mortgage contract and then take the bank to court after getting the money saying that they said I would never have to pay it back. What if you sell someone a car and come back 2 years later saying it broke but they say you promised them a 3 year warranty (but sales contract says no warranty, whereis as is)?

You can go to court and attack the contracts. It's up to them to decide if the contract is acceptable or not. Obviously in your examples, the court will uphold the contract.
If in your mortgage contract it said you had to pay 10M USD if one of your payments is late, they will say it's unconscionable.

For example, Microsoft and software companies put all kinds of shit in their contract that you can't resell your used software license. The EU court decided it was unlawful and those parts of the contracts can't be enforced.

In my opinion, for a porn contract to say that videos will be on the internet, that's perfectly normal and expected, and they can't attack that.

But if they find that they told some girls they were signing a contract for a non-nude modeling job, ushered the girls to sign it quickly without reading, and used the "refusal to shoot results in a big fine" part to blackmail them into getting nude, it won't hold up in my opinion.
And this is how it went according to the article, as I understood. With all that said, I also hope it's not true.

Matyko 07-21-2020 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V (Post 22705246)
They don't pay webmasters anyway...

Actually, I just got a payment of $3000+ and submitted invoice for another $1200 recently. They absolutely Do Pay. Yes, the delay is unusual, but they pay every cent you make with them. :2 cents: :2 cents: :pimp

seriouslee 07-21-2020 01:34 AM

I always thought these castings were fake and scripted.

With contracts between a company and a private person circumstances matter a lot. If they ran "fashion modelling" ads, advertised the company as "fashion modelling", set up a "fashion modelling" contract to sign and only somewhere in a 100 page contract there is a small print and probably vague clause about "adult modelling" then every judge will say this contract is void and was deceptive, be it written or not.

cordoba 07-21-2020 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22705410)
In my opinion, for a porn contract to say that videos will be on the internet, that's perfectly normal and expected, and they can't attack that.

But if they find that they told some girls they were signing a contract for a non-nude modeling job, ushered the girls to sign it quickly without reading, and used the "refusal to shoot results in a big fine" part to blackmail them into getting nude, it won't hold up in my opinion.
And this is how it went according to the article, as I understood. With all that said, I also hope it's not true.

Yes, if that is what they were doing then they are in a lot of trouble and deserve to be.

It's clear that they were responding to nude modelling ads though, or at least in the initial filmed interviews they often say why they want to get into nude modelling etc. They often also say (rather convincingly compared to most 'casting sites') that that is their limit and they don't want to do hardcore. Then a couple of minutes later they are sucking the photographer's cock while he holds his camera in their face.

Still, I've watched quite a few of their videos and I've never seen one where the girl looks 'blackmailed' or upset.

k0nr4d 07-21-2020 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by seriouslee (Post 22705421)
I always thought these castings were fake and scripted.

With contracts between a company and a private person circumstances matter a lot. If they ran "fashion modelling" ads, advertised the company as "fashion modelling", set up a "fashion modelling" contract to sign and only somewhere in a 100 page contract there is a small print and probably vague clause about "adult modelling" then every judge will say this contract is void and was deceptive, be it written or not.

It's probably a 1 page model release written in Czech. I'm certain this is just a case of porn model remorse. Probably some friends/family/employers found out...

k0nr4d 07-21-2020 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22705410)
If in your mortgage contract it said you had to pay 10M USD if one of your payments is late, they will say it's unconscionable.

Yes, but the reason why is that there are maximum fines/penalties in the law (at least here). For instance even the amount you have to reimburse winning party for lawyer there are maximum amounts for, and the amount if higher cannot exceed the amount of the claim (so if someone sues you for $100 they can't demand $20k in legal fees).

Everything not covered by the contract defaults to the civil legal codex. Everything that is banned by the codex is invalid.

If porn isn't banned, and they are clearly sucking a dick with a camera 20cm from face then it's going to be really hard to argue that they didn't know it was for porn or they didn't realize they were having sex.

celandina 07-21-2020 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 22705260)
Ouch (in Czech) . . .

Auvajs :1orglaugh ( pronounced: auvays)

Andris 07-21-2020 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22704457)
why loose? they will pay.
they are never late with payments for me, it just takes 2 months after sending invoice, according to their terms.

It doesn't mean that everyone get paid if you get paid. I remember incredible dollars always paid me in time. It was my best sponsor of a time. But they screwed a lot of people..

PornDiscounts-V 07-22-2020 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V (Post 22705246)
They don't pay webmasters anyway...

Seems they are paying us... Just wish they'd specify if it is net30 or whatever it is.

klinton 07-22-2020 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22705499)
Yes, but the reason why is that there are maximum fines/penalties in the law (at least here). For instance even the amount you have to reimburse winning party for lawyer there are maximum amounts for, and the amount if higher cannot exceed the amount of the claim (so if someone sues you for $100 they can't demand $20k in legal fees).
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the penalties -
I think that they claim that so called penalties are actually to cover the cost of video shooting (make up etc), which sounds fair. and they are in case if model "changes her mind" after making video and dont want to be it online anymore.

faxxaff 07-22-2020 08:44 AM

It may have to do with how the models were recruited rather than the actual contracts or taping. The media just takes out and prints the facts that will draw more attention.
Maybe the girls wanted to work in a brothel, but never agreed on having the video released. So many variables.

SpicyM 07-22-2020 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 22706160)
It may have to do with how the models were recruited

This. :2 cents:

sirkonstantine 07-26-2020 12:27 PM

The Czech police are idiots. They just disturbed the operations of a perfectly fine company. I bet you that the case will not go to court, as there's not enough evidence. Then the operators won't even get a "sorry" from the police for interrupting shit.

The article said that they filmed the whole casting from start to end, had the girls sign a contract, and informed them of the filming. Those girls are just idiots.

I hope they get back to work soon!

Matyko 07-27-2020 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sirkonstantine (Post 22708570)
The Czech police are idiots. They just disturbed the operations of a perfectly fine company. I bet you that the case will not go to court, as there's not enough evidence. Then the operators won't even get a "sorry" from the police for interrupting shit.

The article said that they filmed the whole casting from start to end, had the girls sign a contract, and informed them of the filming. Those girls are just idiots.

I hope they get back to work soon!

This:2 cents:

Ondrej is a fucking pro, I am sure you are right.

Crossing fingers for some good news Very Soon! :pimp

celandina 07-27-2020 09:03 AM

I hope they do NOT invoke "GirlsDoPorn" defense

teomaxxx 07-28-2020 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 22708839)
This:2 cents:

Ondrej is a fucking pro, I am sure you are right.

Crossing fingers for some good news Very Soon! :pimp

From what I read today, they are closer to the prison time then on the way out of prison.

The thing is, they had some small line in contract, if the girls rejects to perform the gig (porn), then she is going to pay around 200k CZK back (9k usd).
Appartenly many girls didnt read the whole contract and then they tried to force them to perform, otherwise -200k czk lawsuit (which they wouldnt peform as they didnt want to go under scruitiny).

BigFurry 07-28-2020 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 22709658)
From what I read today, they are closer to the prison time then on the way out of prison.

The thing is, they had some small line in contract, if the girls rejects to perform the gig (porn), then she is going to pay around 200k CZK back (9k usd).
Appartenly many girls didnt read the whole contract and then they tried to force them to perform, otherwise -200k czk lawsuit (which they wouldnt peform as they didnt want to go under scruitiny).

Could you link the new article please?

Matyko 07-28-2020 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 22709658)
From what I read today, they are closer to the prison time then on the way out of prison.

The thing is, they had some small line in contract, if the girls rejects to perform the gig (porn), then she is going to pay around 200k CZK back (9k usd).
Appartenly many girls didnt read the whole contract and then they tried to force them to perform, otherwise -200k czk lawsuit (which they wouldnt peform as they didnt want to go under scruitiny).

Now this is a pretty serious accusation/charge, curious if true or urban legend :pimp

Klen 07-29-2020 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22709744)
Could you link the new article please?

https://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/s...y-vykon-113576

Porn academy 07-29-2020 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22709744)
Could you link the new article please?


I got the same info

celandina 07-29-2020 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Klen (Post 22710097)

Just read the whole article ( incl. excerpts from the agreement)... They have TWO problems:

1) They did NOT attempt to give the women time to read and study the agreement. This should have been done days before they shot the videos.

2) They "allowed" a consideration for " withdrawing from the agreement" ( with about $8,000 penalty). This is NON enforceable from either side. Once you agree to " work for hire" and assign the proceeds of your labor to the producer and you get duly paid, you cannot withdraw. If you could, then every actor who does NOT like the movie he/she was in could stop the movie release. Not just porn but the whole entertainment industry would go down.

It shows that both the "lawyering" and the execution of the agreement was wrong. To add to a peculiarity, Czech juris prudence has many unusual rules left over from the commie era and some even go back all the way to Austro Hungarian Empire days. So the outcome if this case is uncertain.

Matyko 07-29-2020 07:22 AM

Read the article.. Sounds Horrible! :O 12 years in prison. :OOOOO
Anyone got any remark/info from Ondrej? Or is he one of the guys already in jail?

seriouslee 07-29-2020 12:21 PM

If "voluntarily" refusing to do the porn shoot that wasn't even mentioned before came effectively with a bill of around 9,000 dollars, hard to believe a judge would rule any of this to be really voluntary.

nikki99 07-29-2020 01:19 PM

their websites are all up

ilnjscb 07-29-2020 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22710200)
Just read the whole article ( incl. excerpts from the agreement)... They have TWO problems:

1) They did NOT attempt to give the women time to read and study the agreement. This should have been done days before they shot the videos.

2) They "allowed" a consideration for " withdrawing from the agreement" ( with about $8,000 penalty). This is NON enforceable from either side. Once you agree to " work for hire" and assign the proceeds of your labor to the producer and you get duly paid, you cannot withdraw. If you could, then every actor who does NOT like the movie he/she was in could stop the movie release. Not just porn but the whole entertainment industry would go down.

It shows that both the "lawyering" and the execution of the agreement was wrong. To add to a peculiarity, Czech juris prudence has many unusual rules left over from the commie era and some even go back all the way to Austro Hungarian Empire days. So the outcome if this case is uncertain.

In this respect jurisprudence is similar the world over. Don't worry too much about the letter of the law, worry about pissing off powerful people.

abinthenet 07-30-2020 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 22710396)
their websites are all up

Generally it looks that sites and webmaster program works normally. Even promo materials were added to NATs after 17th ... but payments weren't and aren't sending of course

MatureKing 07-30-2020 06:11 AM

Wish I will visit Czech.. and everything will changed

klinton 07-31-2020 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by abinthenet (Post 22710643)
but payments weren't and aren't sending of course

what you mean? how you know?

Klen 07-31-2020 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22711078)
what you mean? how you know?

Normally in situations like this bank accounts get frozen, and you cant really do payments then.

MatureKing 07-31-2020 02:37 AM

ok,,, ok,.,, you want realy know what is happening meanwhile in Czech DeFuckingPublic

https://cdn.czechcash.com/promo/tube.../bitch_002.jpg

Matyko 07-31-2020 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Klen (Post 22711080)
Normally in situations like this bank accounts get frozen, and you cant really do payments then.

I guess they don't keep all the company money on a single bank account, affiliate payments are probably/hopefully handled in a different way.

I submitted an invoice a few weeks ago, for around $1.5k, will keep you updated if it goes through or not. There was another payment earlier this year for around $3.5k and it arrived as expected.

Klen 07-31-2020 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 22711094)
I guess they don't keep all the company money on a single bank account, affiliate payments are probably/hopefully handled in a different way.

I submitted an invoice a few weeks ago, for around $1.5k, will keep you updated if it goes through or not. There was another payment earlier this year for around $3.5k and it arrived as expected.

That again would depend on which country they have bank accounts. If they have in CZ only, then all accounts get frozen.

abinthenet 07-31-2020 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Klen (Post 22711080)
Normally in situations like this bank accounts get frozen, and you cant really do payments then.

I sent an invoice over 10 weeks ago. In NATs my payments has been marked as paid on 10th of july, but till today i didn't receive money (it should takes up to 2 days). As I read police went to theirs office on 17th of July, so it wasn't depent on this incident

nikki99 07-31-2020 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MatureKing (Post 22711090)
ok,,, ok,.,, you want realy know what is happening meanwhile in Czech DeFuckingPublic

https://cdn.czechcash.com/promo/tube.../bitch_002.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh watching porn?

Paul Markham 08-03-2020 06:56 AM

Scumbags like these deserve all they are about to get.

nikki99 08-03-2020 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22712408)
Scumbags like these deserve all they are about to get.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Phoenix 08-03-2020 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 22709658)
From what I read today, they are closer to the prison time then on the way out of prison.

The thing is, they had some small line in contract, if the girls rejects to perform the gig (porn), then she is going to pay around 200k CZK back (9k usd).
Appartenly many girls didnt read the whole contract and then they tried to force them to perform, otherwise -200k czk lawsuit (which they wouldnt peform as they didnt want to go under scruitiny).

ah that could be trouble if true

SpicyM 08-03-2020 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 22710207)
Read the article.. Sounds Horrible! :O 12 years in prison. :OOOOO
Anyone got any remark/info from Ondrej? Or is he one of the guys already in jail?


There are European countries where they could face 20 or more years in prison for that. Czechia has very liberal laws.

faxxaff 08-03-2020 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 22712414)
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Agreed. I saw some nude art models on their site. They never did porn anywhere else, just posed for Metart and co. Wonder why they looked so unhappy on CC and never ever did porn again.

Adraco 08-03-2020 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sirkonstantine (Post 22708570)
The Czech police are idiots. They just disturbed the operations of a perfectly fine company. I bet you that the case will not go to court, as there's not enough evidence. Then the operators won't even get a "sorry" from the police for interrupting shit.

The article said that they filmed the whole casting from start to end, had the girls sign a contract, and informed them of the filming. Those girls are just idiots.

I hope they get back to work soon!

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 22708839)
This:2 cents:

Ondrej is a fucking pro, I am sure you are right.

What kind of shit statements are those? Someonewho’s a ”fucking pro” does not need to cheat girls into un-enforcable contracts.


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