Well I just answered your question Paul :)

About the future, only time will tell :thumbsup

Why does OF prove how wrong I am?

Is it making the $billions recorded porn use to make?

Or is it the only way most girls can earn money doing porn?

Or is it a way a few girls earn well, some earn a living and the rest earn very little.

The only thing OF proves is how easy it is to drive traffic. For years we've been told, mostly by affiliates, that driving traffic is hard, needs skills and intelligence. So how can models, who are lazy, stupid and unskilled drive enough traffic to get sales?

That is if you're not one of the thousands of affiliates who works from home throwing out free porn, competing for the same traffic and telling everyone it's hard, needs skills and intelligence.

The world has changed with covid and many are now (and will continue) working from home behind computers.
They may also have a little more cash due to not travelling daily and paying for fuel, public transport tickets and grabbing food and coffee at lunch times.
They also get much more time behind their screens which can only be a good thing for us.

Paying a monthly fee for things is now very common. Even the big company Pret a Manger have today announced to offer coffee on a monthly subscription model.
Yes, the money and ease of that money isn't what it used to be but since lockdowns, business has been booming.

So more people are spending time watching more free porn. And when the Covid crisis is over what happens then?

What about the people who have lost jobs, hours and wages. What about the downward trend of wages over the last 30 years for most people?

The business will continue to shrink in income and grow in traffic and people will still claim to never of had it so good. :Oh crap

Would Roald and others with his business method of buying up companies for a song and marketing as an add on to their network work in a healthy industry?

What is this thread about exactly? Cause you only seem to refer back to a booming industry you yourself missed the boat on (talking online here not mags).

The only question you keep repeating is what if... what if...

Guess what, this is reality. And there is still a future for us and many more in it. Not in the way it was but why does it matter so much? We are still able to make a pretty good living as do many others.

What booming industry? The one that for a few years made a lot of people some money?

Because all you did was take porn that made billions offline for a few to share the same wealth online to 10,000s of people by giving away enough porn that 1-100 clicks was a great ratio that often needed 1,000 views to get 100 clicks to 1 sale.

You kid yourself that going online was giving you access to millions who would never buy porn before. Bullshit. The biggest online porn markets were places that always had access to some sort of porn. Videos, Cable TV, Hotels, Soft and hardcore. Magazines, Phonesex, etc. Yiou just replaced the method of supply and fucked up giving 50% + to affiliates who did nothing but hand out free porn.

As for the numbers working in online porn they are decreasing by the day and the companies left are picking up the scraps. You couldn't buy up sites and content as cheap as you do in a booming market. So don't bullshit me with how well the business is and how you all got it right.

The "Myspace" of porn. :1orglaugh

very few understand and get one fact :" Adult Entertainment is a business"

Very few realise how big offline porn was. Take all the Retail end of porn and think about the revenue it generated. It's not about how much money Private, Vivid, Evil Angel etc made it's about the millions of shops, phone companies, Cable companies, Mail order companies made often only in their location, with it being repeated over and over againworld wide.

Roald works for a company that made it's living selling the images we discarded to companies world wide. Photographers got print outs that were pages long of the different sales around the world. This is after photographers sold to magazines in the UK, US, Europe for a one off license of the same set. I did miss the boat, it was over crowded, no guarantee of a profit and was dedicated to giving away porn rather than selling it.

Because online started with the mindset that selling porn needed 1,000s to view to get a handful of sales. And the only way to get 1,000s of views was to give them free jerk off material. :upsidedow And hope someone would buy!!!!!

Exactly my point, thank you.

Unless I tell you we are doing terrible now you will not agree on anything I say anyways. That is ok, you have no idea how well we did or how well we do (or don't do for that matter) and I can not blame you for it since you are so out of the loop on this whole internet thing.

Business is going well for us. Could it been better if all porn was behind a pay wall? Sure thing, but it isn't.

Carry on :2 cents:

Dammit, can't believe how Paul dragged me into this again :1orglaugh

Exactly my point, thank you. :thumbsup :thumbsup

So why isn't more, and in the beginning everything, or nearly everything, behind a pay wall?

Why was the industry from the beginning hell bent of building an enormous wall of free porn and paying the largest part of it's turnover to do so?

Is it hard to sell porn? Shouldn't be unless there's a free option.

Were there enough porn content providers to approach to create sites with. No we had a thriving video, image and phone sex industry offline who would switch to online if paid enough. And there's the problem none of you had any money to tempt the producersto make a switch. The only deals we were offered were derisory or "partnerships" that turned out to be bullshit.

Most who could open a site did so and put some cheap porn in it and threw as much traffic as possible. Free traffic because at the conversion ratios they couldn't go the easy route and buy regular banners or TGP spots.

As you say I don't know how much you make, but your convinced you know I missed the boat. Do you know how much I made? Did everyone who opened a site make their fortune? Would you have made more money teaming up with a content creator and proving there was more money for him online?

Seems you missed the boat, all you needed was a great content provider and proof you could make him more money online or pay him more. :1orglaugh

I was in the music industry for over ten years and saw the same problems/complaints/realities that I see in Adult now.

When everything went digital and music could be shared online POOF everything changed. The music industry is now a shell of its' former glory. The same with the Adult business.

But guess what? There are still very successful people in the music biz, as there are in Hollywood, porn, mainstream television, etc. But NONE of these Industries were as big as they were in the 20th century. That's just plain truth and facts.

So now what? Give up and go home? Or do what all these Industries have done - change, survive and keep going with lowered expectations. Paul can wax poetic about the "glory days" all he wants, and continue his predictions of doom & gloom, but the everlasting truth is that while these Industries have shrunk - or really, been fragmented - they will continue. Who will be a part of it tho? Not Paul, and one day not me. But many others will still find money to be made online.

10 years no telling what platforms will be around. One thing we know is technology directs sales

Our brain implants will allow users to create what they want with their imaginations.

Who's gonna get the money?

OnlyFans.com would gain about 15 to 20 percent with affiliates in revenue.

Locking out affiliates and referrals have led to a secondary market where people rip down all the models content and sell it.

A dude that I have contact with is pulling in about 300 to 400 a day with ripped OnlyFans content.

Where would the extra 15 to 20 percent come from?

People looking for OF or a girl on SEs maybe? Well they already get that traffic and once you open to affiliates they lose it to people who can get a higher placing. videos on Tubes maybe? A girl can submit all the videos she wants now if the Tube site will allow her.

Affiliates without content own no traffic and these girls and OF have shown us how easy it is to get traffic.

If affiliates get in, what's to stop people ripping off the girls content and making money from it?

Hitting the nail pn the head. :thumbsup

Whatever the technology there will always be a porn industry. Be it dominated with free sites selling clicks for cents on the dollar, a few picking up the remnants and a few great sites as it is now. People will still jerk off to porn and someone will get a living.

As the industry shrinks we've all witnessed 10,000s give up and turn their hand to other things. Be it a comfortable retirement, billionaires into other industries or flippin burgers. :1orglaugh

No it won't. Content always directed sales. Where are the tube sites with no content? No where, as I've pointed out driving traffic is being done by untrained, unskilled and lazy models if you'll believe what some tell you.

So far only industry which managed to resist digital online era is cinema industry.

Let's put to rest the "You missed the boat" argument.

In around 1996 offline became aware of online porn. We looked at it and it held no lure for most of us. A few knew programmers who built a site and the returns were piss poor. I opened a site and made it to take credit card payments for videos I sold mail order. I started selling my images online to sites and brokers in 1996. No desire to open a site.

Prior to 2000 there was no shortage of great content producers, from Suze Randall level to my level and below me. We rarely sold content outright, we sold licenses. Private and companies like it paid $25,000 for outright. There was a dirth of content available for online license or sales.

The reason why so few made the switch was because the offers were often a joke or a con. Site owners would offer peanuts for content or go with the 50% profit share that turned out to be very little. Most or us avoided online because we saw 100s of failures for 1 great site.

A few of you are great at driving traffic in huge numbers. Does that carry through to sales and profit? Often no because the content of the site isn't good enough to first drive traffic, convert, retain and bring it back in 6 months for the updates. Creating content that drives, converts, retains and brings back members is a full time job. You can't go to an agent for 5 girls you shoot loads of content in a week of a level that will drive, convert, retain and bring it back. But 1,000s of you tried.

Because most of you didn't have the money, couldn't create a site that tempted any offline content producer. So you produced a dirth of garbage sites and told yourself that's what the surfer wants. While MetArt, Evil Angel, Private etc were making money.

We were already on a boat in 1st or 2nd class earning a good living. Most of the people you tempted couldn't get on our boat.

How big would they be without people downloading for free?

Where would online be if it hadn't gone the route of over paying affiliates to create the perfect alternative to buying?

It affect it but considering some movies still manage to earn over 1 bil $, i suppose it's fine. And this isn't first time when cinema faced challenge - back then when TV was standard in each household, they said how cinema will go out of business because everyone now have cinema at home.

When I first started and was told I'd need to provide 12 or 16 pictures to a gallery when my instinks said 4 or 6...I knew the business wouldn't be sustaining long terms.

There are alwaze exceptions.

yes indeed and maybe we should make ALL philharmonic orchestras, opera companies and other artists ONLY go digital,

So why would I like to see an opera here:

https://assets.puzzlefactory.pl/puzz...1/original.jpg

when I can see it from here:

https://amersfoortart.com/wp-content...Potato-1-1.jpg

... and yes, I have seen "Dunkirk", "Bohemian Rhapsody" "2012" and others in a proper cinema and also at home. NOT the same experience.

You need nothing but a link list to get people to your tour, then you need nothing but softcore. We made billions selling magazines in shrink wrap and videos with only the box to view.

Paying around 50% of turnover to building an alterantive to jerk off to was madness. The problem was telling people and being told you have no idea how to market online porn and you missed the boat. :Oh crap

The pandemic may change this moving forward. Once people are used to NOT doing something it's hard to get them back up to speed in the future.

Technology doesn't direct sales
Content doesn't direct sales


Sales people direct sales.

It's a pity this industry has so few sales people. Or do you think building an alterantive to buying is selling?

I've never been a fan of sticking a product on a shelf/webpage and hoping that enough people see it that eventually someone will buy it.

So...
We employ 2 girls that sit on facebook hustling customers for us and we also employ a guy to come in and help us make cold calls.

Yes i see many changes in such direction. For example, office lease industry will be hit hard because corporations will realize how they don't need offices at all. For example, my neighbour is working last 6 months from home and his entire company as well.

Are they selling a porn related product?

Is it the way the majority of people in the porn industry work?

Is it the way the majority of porn consumers find their porn?

As I've said this is about how the industry develops, not individuals.

No industry dedicated so much of it's resources to destroying sales and swore blind it was doing the right thing. Even though stats and ratios proved them wrong. We went from 1-50 clicks to 1-500 as all online traffic increased. Now at 1-1,000s we see the truth even without counting actual vews to porn samples.

Traffic is and always was easy to get. Getting enough free traffic to view, react and buy the mediocre crap on offer was the problem. Companies reacted by upping the money and efforts to create a bigger free porn area and took the money from the reason people bought, the quality of the porn. And as long as that continues this industry will continue to shrink.

We make and sell smut.

The majority of people in the jizz biz copy each other and get stoned. Needless to say the majority of people in this industry don't make money.


Consumer or buyer?
Because if you're just talking about the consumer then the majority finds their porn on tube sites.


I make money as an individual so why should I care what everyone else does?

((Actually I do care what other people do so that I know what NOT to do))