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TaiGhost 10-16-2020 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22753582)
WE have reviewed our process and have decided that we will NOT support piracy of our content or any other owners content. And that the whole enterprise is waste of time. We have NOT approved a single affiliate in years.

... and I will burst a vein if I ever hear "user uploaded content" :1orglaugh

I think there are good affiliates out there in your niche.

OneHungLo 10-16-2020 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ANAL PASTE (Post 22754309)
In all my years in adult, I have never heard of affiliate program with it own content selling it to affiliates. It makes zero sense. Unless you talking about Paul Markham special teen bin content for $2 per set. Why would you sell full length clips to affiliates in first place?

He has a VOD site. I think he's saying the affiliate bought all his content (like clips4sale) then gave it away.

fuzebox 10-16-2020 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22753261)
I'm getting Paul Markham vibes from celandina's hot take on adult affiliate marketing.

I was convinced they were the same person for a while.

sarettah 10-16-2020 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 22754462)
I was convinced they were the same person for a while.

Nah. Celandina gets very emotional when it comes to pirated content. I get the impression that they have been burned badly and probably more than once.

This thread is the first time I have seen them knocking on the affiliate system or affiliates in general.

Celandina will be in almost any thread about someone starting a tube site with a comment about "Oh, a new pirate" or something like that but usually doesn't say much about marketing. I don't think they would advocate magic join links and I think they realize that traffic is important alongside content.

Just my opinion.

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ANAL PASTE 10-16-2020 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22754443)
He has a VOD site. I think he's saying the affiliate bought all his content (like clips4sale) then gave it away.

A file locker shit "buying" content??? How long you've been in this industry?
They get it of surfer forums with site rips, then list it for download. Nobody "buys" content.
Most of it is 100% automated.

OneHungLo 10-16-2020 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ANAL PASTE (Post 22754593)
A file locker shit "buying" content??? How long you've been in this industry?
They get it of surfer forums with site rips, then list it for download. Nobody "buys" content.
Most of it is 100% automated.

You're preaching to the choir bro and i've been in the biz for 23 yrs...I deal with these guys everyday on forums with rapidgator, k2s, tezfiles etc. I don't buy the story that an affiliate stole all his shit and was making 2k a week or month or whatever and that was allegedly only 20% of the sales.

Diomed 10-16-2020 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TaiGhost (Post 22753409)
That part of the process needs to be looked at or improved. We manually review each affiliate application and approve after looking at submitted sites among other protocols, usually within hours of application. I would say we have less than a 1% rejection rate due to suspected frauds etc. We find most affiliates, not vouching for anyone here necessarily, but most are hard working and trying to earn a living. The affiliates involved with piracy are out there. You can avoid them if you wish by utilizing better pre-approval review. Also, try emailing applicants to discuss their plans and proposed methods for promotion.

Review your review process.

Outside of their websites, I'm curious of your other protocols.

InfoGuy 10-17-2020 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22753577)
He did the following:

1) He signed up as an affiliate and put a banner, pictures, movie posters, clips on his blog ( all legit). From that blog we got decent traffic .

2) He bought the whole 50 movie library ( also legit).

3) He uploaded this library to file sharing sites and multiple tubes ( I presume under different nicks). Very illegal !

4) He then put the links to these tubes and file shares right under our banner on his blog.

We took down about 1000 of these uploads down on various pirate sites. Also note he knew that content owners are too busy to keep checking the affiliates it was an accident that we found out.

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Originally Posted by ANAL PASTE (Post 22754309)
In all my years in adult, I have never heard of affiliate program with it own content selling it to affiliates. It makes zero sense. Unless you talking about Paul Markham special teen bin content for $2 per set. Why would you sell full length clips to affiliates in first place?

This is my interpretation. celandina can correct me if I'm wrong.

celandina runs a VOD site that has about 50 movies available for customers to buy and affiliates were paid a 20% commission to promote celandina's site. The affiliate legitimately bought celandina's full movie library at the VOD site using 2 or more usernames that were unrelated to his affiliate username. Affiliate did not buy content through the affiliate program. The affiliate then uploaded the full movies to pirate tube sites and posted legitimate affiliate links to celandina's affiliate program on his blog, as well as prohibited links to pirate tube sites and files lockers on those same blog pages. Affiliate tried to get paid commissions from his own purchases as a customer (think of the 20% commission as a discount for the content that the affiliate purchased) as well as for any sales that he referred.

While there are many thieves out there, there are also many legitimate affiliates out there including jscott, sarettah and myself who operate pursuant to a sponsor's affiliate program terms. We use sponsor provided content to promote sales to their sites and don't send traffic to pirate tubes or file lockers.

TaiGhost 10-17-2020 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Diomed (Post 22754645)
Outside of their websites, I'm curious of your other protocols.

My team looks at the information provided. We check it for accuracy. We pass it to a security engineer who makes final determination. I do not know what his team does.

We have had people submit non-working e-mail addresses and non-existent sites. I think it can happen in 2020. Up until now we are working with a great group of affiliates that is growing each week.

All are welcome to join.

celandina 10-17-2020 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ANAL PASTE (Post 22754309)
In all my years in adult, I have never heard of affiliate program with it own content selling it to affiliates. It makes zero sense. Unless you talking about Paul Markham special teen bin content for $2 per set. Why would you sell full length clips to affiliates in first place?

God man you must rereally slow. I have a VOD site with real feature films on it. I do NOT have a membership site with gonzo videos, some skanky tube, camwhore site or a fucking blog. Anybody can buy a movie for 29 Euros from my site. I do NOT control that. Just like Amazon Prime. If you are so smart tell me Einstein how I can block a pirate from buying my content and then uploading it somewhere, I five you Kudos for it.

celandina 10-17-2020 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22754443)
He has a VOD site. I think he's saying the affiliate bought all his content (like clips4sale) then gave it away.

Bingo :thumbsup

celandina 10-17-2020 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 22754553)
Nah. Celandina gets very emotional when it comes to pirated content. I get the impression that they have been burned badly and probably more than once.

This thread is the first time I have seen them knocking on the affiliate system or affiliates in general.

Celandina will be in almost any thread about someone starting a tube site with a comment about "Oh, a new pirate" or something like that but usually doesn't say much about marketing. I don't think they would advocate magic join links and I think they realize that traffic is important alongside content.

Just my opinion.

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Truth hurts I guess....:winkwink: The impression you get that I got badly burned is not an impression, it is a fact and is ongoing ...My DMCA company removed over 700 links with my content from the web just in the last 60 days. Traffic which is not converting or only converting to more clicks (as most here ) is ONLY worth to those who have multiple dodgy tubes and live off clicks from mostly stolen content. Show me a tube which does not contain stolen content and I show you a Dodo bird. You can prove me wrong of course, but I do not think so.:2 cents:

celandina 10-17-2020 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ANAL PASTE (Post 22754593)
A file locker shit "buying" content??? How long you've been in this industry?
They get it of surfer forums with site rips, then list it for download. Nobody "buys" content.
Most of it is 100% automated.

Learn how to fucking read ! Somebody had to buy it first and then illegally shared it.

celandina 10-17-2020 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22754704)
This is my interpretation. celandina can correct me if I'm wrong.

celandina runs a VOD site that has about 50 movies available for customers to buy and affiliates were paid a 20% commission to promote celandina's site. The affiliate legitimately bought celandina's full movie library at the VOD site using 2 or more usernames that were unrelated to his affiliate username. Affiliate did not buy content through the affiliate program. The affiliate then uploaded the full movies to pirate tube sites and posted legitimate affiliate links to celandina's affiliate program on his blog, as well as prohibited links to pirate tube sites and files lockers on those same blog pages. Affiliate tried to get paid commissions from his own purchases as a customer (think of the 20% commission as a discount for the content that the affiliate purchased) as well as for any sales that he referred.

While there are many thieves out there, there are also many legitimate affiliates out there including jscott, sarettah and myself who operate pursuant to a sponsor's affiliate program terms. We use sponsor provided content to promote sales to their sites and don't send traffic to pirate tubes or file lockers.

You are correct except this bit:

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...posted legitimate affiliate links to celandina's affiliate program on his blog
he posted our banner with the link to our affiliate panel.

...and you have omitted: The money he got from many of the file shares and tubes he uploaded the movies to, PLUS the other thieves who then ripped the movies themselves only to upload to many more such sites . Such things are exponential.

Brian mike 10-17-2020 07:27 AM

Joke aside :

If you did not know how to become a Pirates , there you have it all 101 free course :1orglaugh

InfoGuy 10-17-2020 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22754780)
Truth hurts I guess....:winkwink: The impression you get that I got badly burned is not an impression, it is a fact and is ongoing ...My DMCA company removed over 700 links with my content from the web just in the last 60 days. Traffic which is not converting or only converting to more clicks (as most here ) is ONLY worth to those who have multiple dodgy tubes and live off clicks from mostly stolen content. Show me a tube which does not contain stolen content and I show you a Dodo bird. You can prove me wrong of course, but I do not think so.:2 cents:

Not all tube sites contain pirated content. Some legitimate tubes, including my own, only use sponsor provided promotional videos and contain no user submitted content.

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Originally Posted by Brian mike (Post 22754786)
Joke aside :

If you did not know how to become a Pirates , there you have it all 101 free course :1orglaugh

Pirating isn't rocket science or a secret. ANAL PASTE is just dense.

celandina 10-18-2020 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22754790)
Not all tube sites contain pirated content. Some legitimate tubes, including my own, only use sponsor provided promotional videos and contain no user submitted content.
.

Then you are a rose among thorns :thumbsup

ANAL PASTE 10-18-2020 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22754773)
God man you must rereally slow. I have a VOD site with real feature films on it. I do NOT have a membership site with gonzo videos, some skanky tube, camwhore site or a fucking blog. Anybody can buy a movie for 29 Euros from my site. I do NOT control that. Just like Amazon Prime. If you are so smart tell me Einstein how I can block a pirate from buying my content and then uploading it somewhere, I five you Kudos for it.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I am not talking about blocking him, Im saying I have never heard of anyone in that business BUYING content. You must have some super unique content for FILE LOCKER "affiliate" to pay YOU 1,450 euros and then wait to make profit with file lockers. The only thing those guy buy is automation script to download content from surfer forums and re-upload then to file locker sites.

ANAL PASTE 10-18-2020 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22754782)
Learn how to fucking read ! Somebody had to buy it first and then illegally shared it.

Somebody, but not that affiliate, stupid. He grabbed it somewhere else and re-uploaded it to generate his own download links. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

celandina 10-19-2020 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ANAL PASTE (Post 22755477)
Somebody, but not that affiliate, stupid. He grabbed it somewhere else and re-uploaded it to generate his own download links. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...a7d5fce4f7.jpg

ANAL PASTE 10-21-2020 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22755699)

Exactly, stupid. He didn't buy anything from you. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

He did the following:

1) He signed up as an affiliate and put a banner, pictures, movie posters, clips on his blog ( all legit). From that blog we got decent traffic .

2) He bought the whole 50 movie library ( also legit).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/86/06...d4883bde76.jpg


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