Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22787956)

but all the other stuff would still be there if they got rid of the 0.075% porn.

and i am pretty sure the connected fraud is way higher than 0.075% of all fraud cases

what i want to say: we should treat them nice if we want to keep them, not like previously suggested count on them to change their minds cause they'd be afraid to lose us as customers

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22788029)

Percentages are one thing, billions in revenue is another. CC companies do not want to lose ANY business, trust me.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22788029)

And being nice to them equals what? Saying pretty please Visa? No it means doing what they say and cleaning out any illegal shit. PH and others do that and they should be fine.

Now if Visa says no more processing of Adult of ANY kind THEN we can panic.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22788043)

we can now debate whether there is a point where negative press etc outweighs the profits from processing adult, so far it obviously didn't, but since neither of us is a Visa or MC executive, I'd suggest we'll just see what happens. Of course I don't hope they drop adult overall, it would affect me as well (it did already this year when Paysite Cash died).




I am not saying anything different, my comment of "being nice" was directed at the specific post I quoted.

Originally Posted by TrafficGoldmine (Post 22788083)

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 22787473)

Thanks, I hope they find some way to alternative billing methods, but the prospects don't look good.

The other big issue is it going to really affect the models

f Visa and Mastercard have banned all MindGeek and next ban the WebGroup (xVideos) sites this is a list of the production companies are apart of them:

MG - Brazzers, Digital Playground, Mile High Media, Property Sex, Babes, Twistys, Reality Kings, Fake Hub, Metro, Deviant Hardcore, Squirted, etc plus the MyDirty, Clips4Sale and ModelHub platforms

https://www.adultforce.com/client.html#/network/

Add in all the brands owned by WebGroup - Penthouse, Legal Porno, DDF, Girls Gone Wild, Private, Girlfriends Films, Bang Bros

That is over half of the content that is shot in the US and Europe and models, since models will have no work these will affect every producer as they won't be able to make a living shooting porn and will not get in the industry.

Originally Posted by Adraco (Post 22785488)

You do realize that the NYT is one of the most well respected newspapers in the world, right?

Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 22787433)

I have produced and own over 5,000 scenes and this may be the worst day ever for the adult industry

Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 22787473)

Thanks, I hope they find some way to alternative billing methods, but the prospects don't look good.

The other big issue is it going to really affect the models

f Visa and Mastercard have banned all MindGeek and next ban the WebGroup (xVideos) sites this is a list of the production companies are apart of them:

MG - Brazzers, Digital Playground, Mile High Media, Property Sex, Babes, Twistys, Reality Kings, Fake Hub, Metro, Deviant Hardcore, Squirted, etc plus the MyDirty, Clips4Sale and ModelHub platforms

https://www.adultforce.com/client.html#/network/

Add in all the brands owned by WebGroup - Penthouse, Legal Porno, DDF, Girls Gone Wild, Private, Girlfriends Films, Bang Bros

That is over half of the content that is shot in the US and Europe and models, since models will have no work these will affect every producer as they won't be able to make a living shooting porn and will not get in the industry.

Originally Posted by amacontent (Post 22787528)

My buddy who is an attorney and also in the biz long time thinks this will resolve itself. he's saying this is a tactic by Visa to ensure companies change their policing of videos policy by forcing them to hire mass teams of video watchers , only use verified uploads stuff like that.
I hope so as my porn career is over if I lose my tube cashflow. I will sell everything.

Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 22787473)

Add in all the brands owned by WebGroup - Penthouse, Legal Porno, DDF, Girls Gone Wild, Private, Girlfriends Films, Bang Bros

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22788230)

With that much content, why don't you open your own site?

Could it be that you are worried because of the type of content you have?

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22788302)

All this fuzz isn't about porn. It's about user uploaded porn, which includes some illegal videos.

Visa/Mastercard never really liked that, that's why Pornhub.com never was selling memberships and processing credit cards - only PornhubPremium.com was.

This is not good enough for VISA/MC anymore after all this bad press.

Tubes will have to stick to legally licensed content that has a clear owner and producer on file, that's all.

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 22788294)

Have you seen Dan? You'd be worried as well :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22788230)

With that much content, why don't you open your own site?

Could it be that you are worried because of the type of content you have?

Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 22788280)

Private?? Are you sure?

Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22788160)

Girlfriends Films is still part of Fame Dollars / Gamma Entertainment.

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22788302)

All this fuzz isn't about porn. It's about user uploaded porn, which includes some illegal videos.

Visa/Mastercard never really liked that, that's why Pornhub.com never was selling memberships and processing credit cards - only PornhubPremium.com was.

This is not good enough for VISA/MC anymore after all this bad press.

Tubes will have to stick to legally licensed content that has a clear owner and producer on file, that's all.

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22789604)

I'm sure VISA Mastercard etc will just sit on the case for a couple of months, then lift the ban since the site is clean now.

And then Pornhub will actually be able to process credit cards on their main domain too, possibly.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22788043)

we can now debate whether there is a point where negative press etc outweighs the profits from processing adult, so far it obviously didn't, but since neither of us is a Visa or MC executive, I'd suggest we'll just see what happens. Of course I don't hope they drop adult overall, it would affect me as well (it did already this year when Paysite Cash died).



I am not saying anything different, my comment of "being nice" was directed at the specific post I quoted.

Originally Posted by 3rdshiftvideo (Post 22791061)

"I'm sure VISA Mastercard etc will just sit on the case for a couple of months, then lift the ban since the site is clean now."

I doubt this. The Visa ban will be permanent. Last year PayPal (via Epoch) terminated its relationship with PH - I expect Visa to do the same. The faux-incest videos could be a problem going forward...for many sites. Visa added incest to their Core Rules and Regulations of prohibited content only last year. Will see how this develops, but there is no chance Visa is going to restore processing. Half of MindGeeks revenue has just vanishing, overnight. Sad.

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 22791066)

Ever since epoch got paypal it’s like living with your mother in law in a modular home with no air conditioner.