Originally Posted by beaner (Post 22787636)

This was a direct result of left agenda. I bet your income will be directly affected. As soon as MSM got wind sleepy was going to be prez all went ninja on their agendas. You got snookered!

Originally Posted by KrisKross (Post 22787557)

According to Gizmodo, the Mastercard ban strictly impacts Pornhub and not MindGeek's paysites.

https://gizmodo.com/mastercard-dumps-pornhub-1845853437

Originally Posted by Due (Post 22787571)

Hey Dan,
Don’t you have your own pay sites as well?

Originally Posted by XSAXS (Post 22787622)

I believe as others have said... this will blow over eventually, and MindGeek be processing V / MC again soon enough. The CC companies are prisoners to regulators too. So everyone has to make flamboyant, public demonstrations showing their outrage - and how much they care - and how much they're doing to save face with the various political fire breathers.

The bigger (longer-lasting) issue is that companies with the reach and resources of MindGeek won't sit idly hoping, praying they get their CC accounts turned back on. Love 'em or hate 'em, they'll find a way to continue.

Porn wins. It will always find a suitable vehicle. RIP Betamax.

I expect a variety of bold, industry-wide campaigns educating users about the relative ease, features, and privacy of crypto payments. Then all the countless cucks who are afraid to use a credit card... they can get in the game too.

In the end, porn wins.

RIP V/MC.

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 22787636)

This was a direct result of left agenda. I bet your income will be directly affected. As soon as MSM got wind sleepy was going to be prez all went ninja on their agendas. You got snookered!

Originally Posted by Diomed (Post 22787686)

I still make good money in adult.. I think I will be leaving it in the new year.

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 22787848)

Anyone who wants to get out now before shit really hits the fan please contact me. We are buying paysites, cam sites, content libraries.

[email protected]

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 22787848)

Anyone who wants to get out now before shit really hits the fan please contact me. We are buying paysites, cam sites, content libraries.

[email protected]

Originally Posted by XSAXS (Post 22787622)

I believe as others have said... this will blow over eventually, and MindGeek be processing V / MC again soon enough. The CC companies are prisoners to regulators too. So everyone has to make flamboyant, public demonstrations showing their outrage - and how much they care - and how much they're doing to save face with the various political fire breathers.

The bigger (longer-lasting) issue is that companies with the reach and resources of MindGeek won't sit idly hoping, praying they get their CC accounts turned back on. Love 'em or hate 'em, they'll find a way to continue.

Porn wins. It will always find a suitable vehicle. RIP Betamax.

I expect a variety of bold, industry-wide campaigns educating users about the relative ease, features, and privacy of crypto payments. Then all the countless cucks who are afraid to use a credit card... they can get in the game too.

In the end, porn wins.

RIP V/MC.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22787931)

the only problem with what you say: adult is a tiny fraction of the total Visa/MC transaction volume.

they could give up on processing adult today (like Amex) and it would barely make a dent in their stats.

but without Visa/MC this industry would be dead.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22787943)

Define "tiny fraction". Online adult revenue, in total, is a billion dollar business and no corporation lets that level of revenue just POOF disappear.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22787947)

from 2016
https://www.paymentscardsandmobile.c...6-infographic/

20 trillion global yearly card volume

for the total adult industry you can find numbers like 10-15 billion/year - let's say 15 billion

that's 0,075% if my math isn't off...

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V (Post 22787952)

True... But then talk about discretionary spending...
What you have includes my health insurance payments, utility bills, grocery bills, etc...
But then look at dining out vs porn (not including fast food).
Look at going to the movies vs porn.

Home mortgages are a massive business. But not up against the entire monthly spend.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22787956)

what i want to say: we should treat them nice if we want to keep them, not like previously suggested count on them to change their minds cause they'd be afraid to lose us as customers

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22787943)

Define "tiny fraction". Online adult revenue, in total, is a billion dollar business and no corporation lets that level of revenue just POOF disappear.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22787956)

but all the other stuff would still be there if they got rid of the 0.075% porn.

and i am pretty sure the connected fraud is way higher than 0.075% of all fraud cases

what i want to say: we should treat them nice if we want to keep them, not like previously suggested count on them to change their minds cause they'd be afraid to lose us as customers

Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 22787512)

I hope you are right, but Visa and Mastercard did not say this was temporary

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22787956)

but all the other stuff would still be there if they got rid of the 0.075% porn.

and i am pretty sure the connected fraud is way higher than 0.075% of all fraud cases

what i want to say: we should treat them nice if we want to keep them, not like previously suggested count on them to change their minds cause they'd be afraid to lose us as customers

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22788029)

Percentages are one thing, billions in revenue is another. CC companies do not want to lose ANY business, trust me.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22788029)

And being nice to them equals what? Saying pretty please Visa? No it means doing what they say and cleaning out any illegal shit. PH and others do that and they should be fine.

Now if Visa says no more processing of Adult of ANY kind THEN we can panic.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22788043)

we can now debate whether there is a point where negative press etc outweighs the profits from processing adult, so far it obviously didn't, but since neither of us is a Visa or MC executive, I'd suggest we'll just see what happens. Of course I don't hope they drop adult overall, it would affect me as well (it did already this year when Paysite Cash died).




I am not saying anything different, my comment of "being nice" was directed at the specific post I quoted.

Originally Posted by TrafficGoldmine (Post 22788083)

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 22787473)

Thanks, I hope they find some way to alternative billing methods, but the prospects don't look good.

The other big issue is it going to really affect the models

f Visa and Mastercard have banned all MindGeek and next ban the WebGroup (xVideos) sites this is a list of the production companies are apart of them:

MG - Brazzers, Digital Playground, Mile High Media, Property Sex, Babes, Twistys, Reality Kings, Fake Hub, Metro, Deviant Hardcore, Squirted, etc plus the MyDirty, Clips4Sale and ModelHub platforms

https://www.adultforce.com/client.html#/network/

Add in all the brands owned by WebGroup - Penthouse, Legal Porno, DDF, Girls Gone Wild, Private, Girlfriends Films, Bang Bros

That is over half of the content that is shot in the US and Europe and models, since models will have no work these will affect every producer as they won't be able to make a living shooting porn and will not get in the industry.

Originally Posted by Adraco (Post 22785488)

You do realize that the NYT is one of the most well respected newspapers in the world, right?

Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 22787433)

I have produced and own over 5,000 scenes and this may be the worst day ever for the adult industry

Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 22787473)

Thanks, I hope they find some way to alternative billing methods, but the prospects don't look good.

The other big issue is it going to really affect the models

f Visa and Mastercard have banned all MindGeek and next ban the WebGroup (xVideos) sites this is a list of the production companies are apart of them:

MG - Brazzers, Digital Playground, Mile High Media, Property Sex, Babes, Twistys, Reality Kings, Fake Hub, Metro, Deviant Hardcore, Squirted, etc plus the MyDirty, Clips4Sale and ModelHub platforms

https://www.adultforce.com/client.html#/network/

Add in all the brands owned by WebGroup - Penthouse, Legal Porno, DDF, Girls Gone Wild, Private, Girlfriends Films, Bang Bros

That is over half of the content that is shot in the US and Europe and models, since models will have no work these will affect every producer as they won't be able to make a living shooting porn and will not get in the industry.

Originally Posted by amacontent (Post 22787528)

My buddy who is an attorney and also in the biz long time thinks this will resolve itself. he's saying this is a tactic by Visa to ensure companies change their policing of videos policy by forcing them to hire mass teams of video watchers , only use verified uploads stuff like that.
I hope so as my porn career is over if I lose my tube cashflow. I will sell everything.

Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 22787473)

Add in all the brands owned by WebGroup - Penthouse, Legal Porno, DDF, Girls Gone Wild, Private, Girlfriends Films, Bang Bros

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22788230)

With that much content, why don't you open your own site?

Could it be that you are worried because of the type of content you have?

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22788302)

All this fuzz isn't about porn. It's about user uploaded porn, which includes some illegal videos.

Visa/Mastercard never really liked that, that's why Pornhub.com never was selling memberships and processing credit cards - only PornhubPremium.com was.

This is not good enough for VISA/MC anymore after all this bad press.

Tubes will have to stick to legally licensed content that has a clear owner and producer on file, that's all.

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 22788294)

Have you seen Dan? You'd be worried as well :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22788230)

With that much content, why don't you open your own site?

Could it be that you are worried because of the type of content you have?

Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 22788280)

Private?? Are you sure?