Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22914010)

Zero. Even though it's been several years, the abuse and risks related to cross selling via pre checks hasn't changed.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22914012)

Dude, stick to taking pictures. You have no clue about actual business

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl (Post 22914487)

That doesn't mean he can't learn. You can learn anything, just depends on your motivation and determination.

Let's encourage instead of deflate =)

I hope you're doing well over the Mr Clicks

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl (Post 22914487)

That doesn't mean he can't learn. You can learn anything, just depends on your motivation and determination.

Let's encourage instead of deflate =)

I hope you're doing well over the Mr Clicks

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22914531)

I’ve forgotten more about cross sales than everyone in this thread thinks they know. 😉

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22914531)

I’ve forgotten more about cross sales than everyone in this thread thinks they know. 😉

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22914012)

Dude, stick to taking pictures. You have no clue about actual business

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 22914459)

It’s an art, bro.

Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22914712)

Duke, I think most don't have the mind and skill set to execute a pre check cross sale properly.

Ideally the cross sale is:

- compliments the existing offering of a product or service

- adds significant value for both the consumer/buyer and the platform owner/seller
(For the site owner they should also gain new customers directly from the alternate site they are pushing)

- the precheck is not hidden/tucked away, but appears boldly as the new main suggested offering

- all parties involved have easy to execute processes to cancel, refund, or credit the buyer in the event they change there mind
nothing wrong with cross sales, but it's risky when it's pre-checked.

Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22914706)

Stated by someone who has no clue what I do for a living.

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 22914713)

Is it risky? More so than a traditional sale, but the rewards outweigh the risk many times over.
We proactively refund those who didn’t log in to their x sale

Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22914808)

Duke, I agree that the cross traffic and money potential is great when managed properly. However all too often the rewards only favor the paysite owners and its nearly impossible for the consumer to obtain the refund from the site, forcing them to file a claim (charge back). You being proactive with the members is the exception and not the rule.

Today I would precheck the upsell, only if it's boldly upfront smack in the middle of different plans, and all paysite parties have agreed to clear refund policies that are reasonably favoring the consumer.

Originally Posted by Colmike9 (Post 22914803)

50 pre-checked X-sales

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 22914815)

It’s “opt out”

Originally Posted by Colmike9 (Post 22914826)

Oh, sorry, and I do understand that the pre-checked x-sale exists for the customer's convenience only. :)

I do have some good scripts that I made for trials and converted at like 1:10-1:50ish. The only reason why I stopped is because the companies that I was promoting went away and I focused on other things. I need to do that again..

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22914903)

I keep forgetting how little GFYers know about the cross sell business

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 22914908)

No one doubts that you’re the cross sale king. It’s not even up for debate.

Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22914808)

its nearly impossible for the consumer to obtain the refund from the site

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22914930)

None of my posts are aimed at you. 😉

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22914930)

None of my posts are aimed at you. 😉

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 22914940)

I remember you & I had a debate in florida. I was anti cross sale back then. You changed my mind.

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 22915041)

The best debate in Florida was the one with extreme content and how hard is "too hard" :)

Also I remember when you told me the impact xsales had on your business. :pimp

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 22915041)

The best debate in Florida was the one with extreme content and how hard is "too hard" :)

Also I remember when you told me the impact xsales had on your business. :pimp

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 22915052)

Successful companies don't cross sale:

Fact

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 22915052)

Successful companies don't cross sale:

Fact

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 22915052)

Successful companies don't cross sale:

Fact

Originally Posted by Colmike9 (Post 22915077)

Please cite your sources for this fact.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22914903)

I keep forgetting how little GFYers know about the cross sell business

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22915334)

I don’t think beaner knows how to upload a picture of his ass so it’s unlikely he can show his source.

Originally Posted by Due (Post 22915378)

You must be getting old then 😂
I’ll hook you up with vitamins to help you out brother, you just pay the shipping and handling 😂

On a serious note I’d listen to 12clicks, he have been around for a while and know his way around the business

Originally Posted by Publisher Bucks (Post 22914025)

Rather than utilize cross sales, change the ordering of the membership cost on the join form drop down to maximize profitability.

For example, if you have the following:

3 Day Trial (Recurring to Monthly)
7 Days - $7.97 (Recurring to Monthly)
30 Days - $39.95 (Recurring)
60 Days - $69.97 (Recurring)*
90 Days - $99.95 (Non Recurring)

Instead of listing them in that order, list the highest price point first, using a drop down menu, especially if it is a non-recurring option and even more so if you have the content that will retain that member past the 60 day option.

If you are able to and have the retention, add a higher period, higher priced recurring option too, you'll find that they will likely rebill at the end of 90+ days and just cancel instead of charging back.

Do some research into price points and the psychology of how pricing affects consumers then adjust and play with your price points on a regular basis to find out which one works best for your website, its content and your traffic sources.

Ultimately, what works for one person, may not work for another, A/B testing can be done relatively simply these days and you can gain a wealth of important information and consumer data from testing IF you understand how to use that data to your advantage.

You'll find that you do end up with a couple of refunds using the method above BUT, that is a better option than a pre-checked cross sale chargeback :2 cents:

That isn't to say there isn't a place for pre-checked sales, if they are done correctly, many companies (adult and non) use them on a daily basis and have no issues with them.

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 22915390)

Roofing hammer time :thumbsup

No successful business needs to rely on pre-checked cross sales

fact-a-roonie

It would jeopardize their success

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 22915390)

Roofing hammer time :thumbsup

No successful business needs to rely on pre-checked cross sales

fact-a-roonie

It would jeopardize their success

Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 22917717)

Ron does more sales in a day than you've done since you first discovered the internet. Learn respect.