I agree, me personally I rather fight covid (btw, did it and won) than what's in vaccines

Did you know that there's two reddit boards about Russian Roulette? Ya, one board is for people who swear up and down that the game is not actually dangerous. Every single one of them has played it and not a single person was killed. Ya literally 100% safe.

The other board is for people who have lost the game, and there isn't even a single member.

Conclusion: Russian Roulette is perfectly safe. After playing, not a single player has ever said anything to the contrary.

You pussies that think the game is dangerous, you're all just sheep.

DEMAND THE FREEDOM TO PLAY RUSSIAN ROULETTE!

You just don't get that simply being alive is playing a game of russian roulette. There's a million things that can harm or kill you, and that includes choosing to get the vaccine too. Everything is risky, including driving down the street.

Do not be afraid.

Bullshit.

This is what misinformation looks like.

That's not what he says in the article. He's saying vaccines work but aren't yet effective against Omicron.

Do you ever get tired of lying? Look at who I'm asking.

Lots of healthcare workers getting fired/dismissed for being anti vacers. Your mom sounds like one of them.

Thanks for responding to me "Idigmygirls" and "J. Falcon"

You complain of idiots who don't listen and who post misinformation.

I post some arguments for general discussion without trolling and bring up good points and of course you ignore me and go after others with one liners trying to look cool. Low hanging fruit.

You people who support restrictions can't argue properly because you know the truth is not on your side so you have to use other tactics to try to "win" instead of trying to discuss like a mature adult.

It's amazing that, after nearly a whole year of vaccinations, people are still asking these questions.

The best reason: it helps slow down the spread.
Another good reason, it keeps healthcare services from being overrun (with idiot antivaxxers).

Your unvaccinated friend is roughly 20 times more likely to give you COVID

No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Fully vaccinated less likely to pass COVID-19 to others


Feature Article: If Vaccines Work, Why Do Unvaccinated People Pose a Risk?

So thanks off for at least engaging in the discussion with me.

What you are doing here is basing your arguments on media articles. Most media is biased toward one side or another which is why I don't use any to support any of mine. We could go back and forth all day pasting articles from experts supporting our arguments and it wouldn't change anything.

What I try to do is just look at the stats and go from there.

The stats are now telling us that it's the vaccinated (with the unvaxxed too) who are spreading the virus and it's spreading much faster due to the variant. Many outbreaks all over North America occurred where vaccine passports existed, meaning it was ONLY the vaccinated who are spreading it, and spreading it fast too. The GM of the Toronto Raptors (NBA) just got his booster and recently got covid along with 3 other high profile executives, who were also boosted.

So it doesn't seem to me that vaccinated individuals slow the spread.

And 2, shutting the unvaccinated out of society won't stop them from getting covid. They will just gather at work or in people's homes and get it there. Most people don't get it at the movies or at restaurants etc...

So it won't stop the hospitals from being overrun - if they ever were in the first place. As a matter of fact many countries closed field hospitals that were erected to take on extra covid patients because they were never used.

Here in Ontario 90% of people 12 and up are vaccinated. If they work the way you say they do (and maybe they do) then why would we need a passport? Those 10% are not going to fill the hospitals on their own if they weren't full when nobody was vaccinated.

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Your opinion doesn't mean anything. You are not a trained medical professional. You are not a virologist. When I hear people "doing their own research" I know well what that means: unsubstantiated CT bullshit. You have nothing but assumptions and hunches. Your distrust of the media notwithstanding, I have the large majority of the medical community on my side. Who do you think reasonable people will believe?

Btw, you did not dispute a single one of my studies. I thought you wanted to have a discussion? Where are your facts? Where are your links to studies? Sorry if I don't take your personal opinion and anecdotal evidence as proof of anything.

Never ending cycle. Jab 1,2,3,4,5,6, maybe 10 shots soon. Solution is pretty simple, you get sick, recover, and live with it.

Neither are you. That leaves us on equal footing.

It's not my own research. I look at the stats that are published each day. This is not medical research with me coming up with a theory. The stats say that tons of vaccinated people are spreading it. And they are spreading it in areas where only vaccinated people can be.

This is not research. It is observation based on what the health authorities are publishing. Not some YouTube conspiracy theorist, not some blog, but what the government's own ministry of health are reporting.


So you are saying that we should just shut off our own brains and go with whatever the majority of experts think?

Most people are political and have a bias or are scared to speak out.

If the medical community tells me that unvaccinated people are more likely to spread it and then THESE SAME PEOPLE publish data (in the form of cases) that contradict what they say then they need to be called out.

Again, I could find lots of links and we could go back and forth forever making this thread last 1000 pages.

Again, I'm not giving you a personal opinion nor anecdotal evidence.

Please look at the data published each day by these health authorities that you trust. They publish data that says that vaccinated people are spreading this like mad.

This is not an opinion of mine. This is not anecdotal evidence. They are the ones giving us this data.

No, it doesn't. I linked to facts and studies. You did not. Until you can point me to actual research your opinion means jack shit. Your CT crap doesn't impress me.

I'll get the 4th jab as soon as it's available. In the meantime, I'll continue to mask up and avoid the unvaxed. Not only because I want to live, but because Post-Covid (Long Covid) is serious, serious shit. I'd rather avoid it if possible. Or at least be vaccinated if I'm unlucky enough to catch it.

unless you die from it. :2 cents:

So basically you can't have a discussion.

I'll say one thing. I will never, ever forgive the people who blindly supported this whole fiasco.

Ever.

People are dying en masse from the lock downs. In Africa 10,000's of thousands of kids are starving and will die (up to 1/4 million) because we in the Western world locked down. 1.4 million tuberculosis cases will rebound due to our lock downs. The amount of people who died waiting for medical treatment is in the 1000s here in Canada. The youth have more overdose deaths than ever before, kids have suffered massively with with mental health issues and are in hospitals due to that and not covid, the poor are way further behind and so millions of kids in the poor areas of the US will never recover socially, education-wise and socio-economically. Domestic abuse is up and not even being detected in many cases. Inflation is out of control and the cost of living is out of hand and will make life much worse for everyone for years to come.

We haven't finished paying for lock downs yet and the bill will take years to pay off.

I know I know. The argument is, "Well if we didn't lock down then it would have been worse."

No it wouldn't have. We have places that did and didn't lock down and the outcomes are the same generally speaking.

You will have to live with this blood on your hands the rest of your life.

My conscience is clear.

Happy Holidays.

if I remember correctly faucia was Satan under Trump but turned into jesus under Biden.

that seems LIKE A MAJOR TRUST ISSUE TO ME, however to democrats just business as usual.

and you wonder why peeps don't get the jab? the media and politicians have destroyed the credibility of the medial community.

our leadership is stupid, making decision based on THEIR income and race resentment not our safety.

I'm wondering you being from Manhattan has anything to do with your 'beliefs'. the peeps in flyover country are having a different reaction.

I watched a guy play Russian roulette at my dinning table one time. no messy clean up.

the media has ONE AGENDA, clicks for money. do NOT ever think otherwise :2 cents:

That's nice.

So no studies, huh? No links to research from respected sources? Facts? Just your random opinion from a random guy on a forum.

That was a short "discussion"

For all those that support lockdowns, we tried both lockdowns and no lockdowns here and it has effectively made no difference.

Poland had lockdowns a couple of times through the pandemic. This last wave they didn't do any lockdowns, just 'mask indoors'. No vax mandates, checking of covid passports, nothing. Basically just let it run it's course. The covid numbers were roughly the same as they were with lockdowns - maybe a bit lower, and have started slowly going down now (after approximately the same time frame). Double-vaccinated are getting Covid at roughly a proportional rate to unvaccinated.

My uncle, aunt, cousin, step father, step brother (all unvaccinated) caught covid in the last couple of weeks with heavy coughing and fever, and were more or less completely healthy after taking Amantadine for 1-3 days.

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This :2 cents:



IF VACCINE WORKS and lowers the hospitalization WHY IS THE PANIC RIGHT NOW? WHY THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SHUTTING DOWN THE BORDER AGAIN?
Oh yes, Double vaccinated are the one that is the sickest, with their now Weak immune system after each shot they takes......... No wonder you need 4th shoot now :1orglaugh

Wonder who are the idiots.... #FuckingRobotBrainDeadalready



FUCKTRUDEAU has a big announcement today....... Guess what it will be talking about ? ...

Reading Mopek1's replies leads me to believe maybe Paul Markham didn't die after all... he just switched nicks

Two COVID-19 vaccines doses isn’t fully vaccinated anymore: scientist
 

The spreading Omicron variant means people with two doses of COVID-19 vaccines are no longer fully vaccinated.


That’s according to University of Saskatchewan epidemiologist Nazeem Muhajarine, who said the COVID-19 variant’s ability to evade vaccine-induced immunity means everyone needs a booster shot.

“The two-dose (or) one-dose primary series of vaccine doesn’t really mean that you are fully vaccinated,” he said.

And he added that everyone should get the vaccines as soon as possible because the Omicron variant is the most transmissible yet.

Though infections with Omicron appear mild — and he stressed scientists still need more information about the severity — Muhajarine said everyone should take the variant seriously.

That’s because it can still damage health or prove deadly and because Saskatchewan’s health-care system is recovering from the fourth wave.

“A small fraction of a very large number (of people needing hospitalization) is still going to be a large number of people needing hospital care in a system which is already exhausted,” he said.

Part of what makes Omicron spread so easily appears to be the speed with which it replicates and with which infected people display symptoms.

Anyone infected with Delta or other variants, or the original strain, began displaying symptoms usually three to five days after exposure, he said.

People infected with Omicron typically show symptoms about 48 hours after contracting the virus — symptoms that resemble a common cold and not the hacking cough and loss of taste associated with previous strains.

That short incubation time means people are infectious sooner, which makes it harder to stop the spread.

And it is spreading.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8464813/c...ted-scientist/


what a fucking shit show..........

oh, Florida doesn't have Covid or doesn't have fucking sheep? which did you mean?:1orglaugh

So exactly what always happens with viruses happened. A viruses goal is not to kill it's host, it's to replicate. If it kills it's host it has less chance to replicate. The natural evolution is that a weaker strain that is more infectious will always eventually win out. That's what is happening here. The omicron strain is the end of covid.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8466612/c...-covid-update/

Live covid update from Prime minister and Tam tam

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Say no more. :1orglaugh

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Let's all just hide in our houses for a while and hope it all goes away the more needles we take. Fingers crossed!

Okay so after reading this thread, with the myriad of medical researchers, experts and caregivers, I have come to a single conclusion:

Let's do absolutely NOTHING and let everyone who was "supposed to die" (the sick, the fat, the elderly) die. The rest (the survivors) can party our asses off once a few millions "sheeple" die off.

Sound good peeps?

How about those who want the vaccines take them, and those who don't want them don't take them. Freedom of choice fuckers.

As long as those who chose not to get vaccinated agree not to seek or otherwise use medical services if they become sick, then I'm all for it!

Just don't take hospital beds or nurse/doctor time from anyone who urgently needs care when it was your choice to become sick and not their choice and you have my absolute support.

We got a deal?

Right now its the Double vax thats spread this shit all over the place.
Just Shut up already :1orglaugh

Do you want a hug? Let me know i have couple hookers i can send them your way for an hour or 2.

Yup, double vax isn't much protection from catching it or even spreading it; but it's still quite good for keeping you out of the hospital (like 20:1)

So I honestly don't give a shit if you get the shot or not as long as you agree not to whine and bitch and go take up a hospital bed from someone else who isn't a selfish prick.

So my afraid of a little needle troll, what do you say, will you agree to decline medical treatment for Covid in exchange for your freedom to not to get the vaccine? Or are you just a selfish POS who cries freedom when it suits you and then begs for help and weeps when it turns out you were wrong.

Pick or shut the fuck up yourself.

You keep saying hospital and treatment are free...... Are you on welfare or on some goverment program?

In my world I pay for everything; my insurance benefits, Health card, also have a private premium insurance to insure my body 24 hours a day 365 days a year for what ever i do Work or personal time. If anything happen to me those Hospital bills and my personal bills are mostly full covered so again;

Shut up already :upsidedow and go get those jabs ASAP......

#fuckingrobotbraindeadalready

Yup, that's what I thought. You bitch about freedom, but what you're really saying is you're afraid of needles; and when you get sick, you're gonna push anyone out of your way to get your dumb ass into their hospital bed.

You selfish hypocrite

not scared of needles, I got many vaxxes since I'm young like every Canadian child got, But I refuse to be a Lab Rat for something like this shit/poison you inject in your body........ They don't know what they are doing and you blindly Follow Your Leader like a Zombie. :1orglaugh ( i remind you double vaccinated are no more considered fully vaccinated.) Wake up or keep your Zombie walk.


You can Join your group :2 cents:

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The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms :thumbsup This is where i stand......

https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-he...-freedoms.html

The Constitution is the supreme law of Canada.......

Now in SPAIN! Why did you become a police officer?
 

Easy deal for me cowboy. I haven't been to a doctor in over 20 years and I haven't gone to a hospital (except to visit dying loved ones) in my entire life. And I'm 40 btw. I would never willingly go to a hospital....unless i was in a car accident.

Last place I would go with covid would be to the hospital. Newsflash I've already had covid it was a pussy ass virus for a healthy person. I've had worse/stronger viruses from my childs daycare and that's not a joke.

You can get as many jabs you want and wear 1-3 masks 😷, but sad part, sooner or later you will still catch Covid, unless you will hide in your basement and won’t come out for next few years until pandemic will be over. Survival rate is 99% from infection, so please stop with your serious shit.

Covid jabs save lives. I'm sorry your too ignorant to accept this basic fact. You know what long covid is? Maybe you don't. Maybe if you weren't too busy spreading anti vax bullshit you could learn something.

Seeing as you know very little about viruses, and pandemics, (as much as the average guy on the internet), maybe you should shut up and let experts decide the best course? I mean, what the fuck does a webmaster know about a novel virus? No, what you saw on YouTube doesn't count. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

God what a bunch of cowardly whiny bitches in this thread hiding behind words like "freedom". LOL Pathetic really. Bunch of pussies scared of needles whining like little kids.

FREEDUMB!

You are a Coward and Idiot!!!! You too should run and get those jabs Asap. Pathetic LOL shit doesn't work Pussies.....

Go get some stripper and Cocaine and you will be alright Junkie Sheep :1orglaugh

You can Join your group :2 cents:

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Freedom, generally, is having the ability to act or change without constraint. YUP :321GFY

So, she's against Tetanus boosters, then?

And Tdap for children and expectant mothers?

And MMR for children?

And HPV, Hep A, Hep B, etc?

I'm guessing by "doctor" you do not mean GP or internal medicine.

If Covid came with red spots and ulcers full of puss, we wouldn't be having any of these conversations.

no. Please include the ugly too.

Why would I do that ?
Did I lose a limb ?
Or am I paralysed ?

I have no problem with the unvaccinated their body, their choice .
I have problem with them spreading lies :2 cents: