I 110% agree with you. You're preaching to the choir.

Thank you :)

I'm not going to argue; I now feel that vaccines are more about protecting the individual than the community, so your body your choice.

Yes, I saw that. The request for blood was so that the labs could extract the convalescent plasma. What that is is blood plasma from someone who has recovered which contains the antibodies that fought off the disease. These antibodies were then used in IV's that put them directly into the bloodstream of very sick Covid patients. The antibodies from the recovered person helped the sick person fight the illness.

Since those early days, scientists have been able to create antibodies that serve the same purpose. These are what you may have heard being called "Monoclonal antibodies." Basically "clones" of the antibodies that would have been in the convalescent plasma. This is still a treatment for very ill Covid patients; but since these now exist, there is no longer a need to extract blood plasma from recovered people.

That said, natural immunity is good immunity. It has been shown to keep a person from becoming seriously ill from Covid for at least a few months and, for some variants, even longer. Natural immunity can be thought of as a single dose of mRNA vaccine. Probably even better than a single dose, but probably not as strong as having two doses. Natural immunity does go away quickly - but then again, so does the protection from vaccines. So in the end, I personally would feel pretty safe from catching a bad case of Covid for at least a few months after I'd recovered, but I personally would still take a shot no longer than 3-4 months post-recovery.

The "leadership" on Covid has been a total disaster. The messaging was wrong, the actions were wrong and misguided and on this point we are in complete agreement :thumbsup :mad:

:1orglaugh We just agreed on something! :thumbsup

Thanks for your input mate. :)

"Deltacron", new and overpowered incarnation of COVID
 

"Deltacron", a new and powerful embodiment of the coronavirus? Far from being proven, this hypothesis, which has been running all weekend, is the last episode in a series of media frenzy since the meteoric and very real rise of the Omicron variant at the end of 2021.

"There are currently people infected with both Omicron and Delta, and we have discovered a strain that combines the two," Cypriot virologist Leondios Kostrikis told a local television station on Friday.

During the weekend, many international media picked up on this announcement and the name given by researchers to this new incarnation: "Deltacron".

The name and the idea are likely to cause concern: a mix between Delta, which dominated the pandemic for a good part of 2021, and Omicron, appeared at the end of the year and carried by a meteoric boom because of a very strong contagiousness.

Skepticism

But the scientific community quickly became skeptical. Several researchers pointed out that it was impossible to find a single line with the big twenty samples supposed of "Deltacron".

We can indeed reconstitute, from databases fed by researchers, the genealogical tree, known as “phylogenetic”, of a version of the virus.

However, if “Deltacron” existed and marked the arrival of a new variant, the cases identified would come from a common core of successive mutations.

This is clearly not the case and skeptical researchers are making a more prosaic hypothesis: samples would have become contaminated during their examination in the laboratory.

"Deltacron surely comes from contamination during sequencing," researcher Maria Van Kerkhove, who leads the fight against COVID at the World Health Organization (WHO), said on Twitter on Monday.

The media wave around Deltacron is only the latest after a series of excesses since the entry into the scene of Omicron.

"Flurona"

Social networks and some press titles ignited at the turn of the new year around "flurona", the nickname given to the simultaneous co-infection with the flu ("flu" in English) and the coronavirus.

This runaway, stemming from a case in an Israeli woman, did not take into account the fact that cases of double infections have been known since the start of the pandemic, rather stirring up the image of a new virus.

"You shouldn't use words like Deltacron or Flurona," Kerkhove warned. They "suggest a combination of variants or viruses, which is simply not the case."

Finally, a number of Anglo-Saxon media and, to a lesser extent, French, worried at the beginning of 2022 about the emergence of a “French variant”, which would present many mutations and would be linked to a large number of hospitalizations in the south of the country.

This variant, identified as B.1.640.2, is very real and was spotted by British researchers in early December. But it has actually only been isolated in a very limited number of samples and there is no reason to relate to the predicament in hospitals in part of southern France.

"There have only been about twenty B.1640.2 samples for the moment (and) the last were isolated on December 6," geneticist François Balloux remarked on Twitter.

He regretted an “absurd” runaway about this variant, whose media exposure was revived by a study in December by researchers from the IHU in Marseille, in particular signed by the controversial professor Didier Raoult.

Fusion of variants?

These three cases of runaway may correspond to realities. For Deltacron, it is quite possible that existing variants will eventually fuse in people infected with both.

For "flurona", the double infection of influenza and COVID is a real concern, which for example pushes the French authorities to strongly encourage the elderly to be vaccinated against both.

Finally, the new variants remain closely watched. Epidemiologists regularly warn that a more contagious or more severe incarnation of the coronavirus could change the face of the epidemic.

"There are variants that emerge all the time," French epidemiologist Arnaud Fontanet recalled Monday on the BFMTV / RMC channel. But, in recent days, "no variant that is said to be worrying".

:Oh crap

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/20...vid-1#cxrecs_s

Sorry I am late to this thread.

In the past two years I haven't been to a bar or a nighclub. We've only eaten in restaurants a handful of times in the past two years. I've also been to the movies only three times in the past two years since COVID hit (Two Marvel movies and the new James Bond movie).

(Quebec) The national director of public health Doctor Horacio Arruda resigns
 

https://m1.quebecormedia.com/emp/emp...=705&width=968

The national director of public health, Dr Horacio Arruda, tendered his resignation on Monday evening.

In a letter to the Prime Minister, Dr Arruda explains that he preferred to resign, since his controversial opinions on the management of the pandemic were starting, according to him, to damage the credibility of the government.

“The recent comments made on the credibility of our opinions and on our scientific rigor undoubtedly cause a certain erosion of the adhesion of pollution. In such a context, I consider it appropriate to offer you the possibility of replacing me before the end of the term of my mandate, at least as a DNSP ”, wrote the doctor.

An emblematic figure in the management of the pandemic which had aroused the enthusiasm of Quebecers in the first months of the crisis in 2020, the management of the pandemic by Dr. Arruda was increasingly criticized and calls for his replacement were made more and more, in particular because of its multiple about-faces.

Indeed, the government and its national director of public health had had to back down on several occasions, in particular on the wearing of a mask, presented as useless at the start of the pandemic. More recently, news of the return to work of infected but asymptomatic healthcare workers had taken everyone by surprise.

"It is important to consider each of these recommendations in the context of the knowledge of the moment and of the time", pleaded Dr. Arruda in his letter by assuring to have made "the best [recommendations] possible" with the knowledge which he had. .

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/20...a-demisionne-1

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Who's Next? Dr TamTam ?

lol you can't be this stupid

no you don't

That should do it, let me guess 15 teeth between you all

"Do you and let others do their own shit...."

Your actions don't resemble this remark. If you don't want the jab, that's fine, but why do you feel so compelled to make dozens of posts telling others they should not be getting it? Seems incredibly hypocritical.

So much BS about it. You don't like it? JUST SKIP WHAT I POST. What about the Name-calling toward the non-vaccinated? Let me guess your another PRO VAX? Another Doctor Science? Instead to play god know it all, make yourself a favor and just skip what i post. That's the problem if it's not a positive Pro Vax comment you will have a problem with it. Seems incredibly hypocritical. ->Do you and let others do their own shit, that exactly what i do but you will not take away my free speech Right.

Which one are you Mr. SexyLadies ? https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...-com-sold.html :1orglaugh or should i say mr multiple personallity :anon:uhoh

Thanks for saying this. I have no problem with the vaccine, just mandates. Most of the people I love and am friends with have taken it and we don't care about each other's vaccine status. They let me decide and I let them decide and we get along.

:1orglaugh Good one :helpme

looks like booster prototype 1 isn't working well.

January 11, 2022 - WHO body says COVID-19 vaccines may need to be updated for Omicron

GENEVA, Jan 11 (Reuters) - A World Health Organization technical body said on Tuesday that current COVID-19 vaccines may need to be reworked to ensure they are effective against Omicron and future variants of the coronavirus.

The technical group, made up of independent experts, said it would consider a change in vaccination composition and stressed that shots needed to be more effective in protecting against infection.

"The composition of current COVID-19 vaccines may need to

be updated to ensure that COVID-19 vaccines continue to

provide WHO-recommended levels of protection against infection

and disease by VOCs (variants of concern), including Omicron and future variants," the technical body, tasked with making recommendations to the WHO, said in a statement.

"COVID-19 vaccines need to...elicit immune responses that are broad, strong, and long-lasting in order to reduce the need for successive booster doses," it added.

"A vaccination strategy based on repeated booster doses of the original vaccine composition is unlikely to be appropriate or sustainable."

However, the statement stopped short of advocating an Omicron-specific vaccine at this stage, saying more research was required and urging manufacturers to share data.

It said that an updated vaccine could be aimed specifically at the dominant variant, which is currently Omicron in many places, or be a "multivalent vaccine" designed to bust several variants at once. Further recommendations will be issued when more data is available, it added. read more

Some vaccine makers are already developing next-generation vaccines targeting Omicron, the highly contagious variant first detected in southern Africa and Hong Kong.

On Monday, Pfizer Chief Executive Albert Bourla said a redesigned COVID-19 vaccine that specifically targets the Omicron variant would probably be needed and his company could have one ready to launch by March. read more

Rival Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) is also working on a vaccine candidate tailored to Omicron, but it is unlikely to be available in the next two months. read more

A WHO official had previously said the issue of vaccine composition required "global coordination" and should not be left to manufacturers to decide alone. read more.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...on-2022-01-11/

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Looks like the governments want to empty the shelves. Cause the boosters will expire in 2 months. Last change to get the booster for the 2019 Corona!

Never forget those who were willing to take your freedom away: colin, cuck prince, bruce, crockett, eddie, elli, many, many more.

Eventually they'll all try to backpedal, but no way in hell we'll forget those supporters and lawmakers who pushed for division, class creation, mandates, force, aggression & violence. :disgust

Yup! I’m going to be like fuckin S Claus with this roster. Checking it twice

BREAKING NEWS: Quebec is considering a "health contribution" to tax the unvaccinated
 

Quebec wants to put in place a health contribution payable by all adults who refuse to be vaccinated for non-medical reasons.

"It is not true that 10% of the population will make the other 90% suffer by clogging our hospitals," said Prime Minister François Legault.

"We want it to be a significant amount," he said.

The face-to-face return to school is currently maintained on January 17 for primary and secondary students. François Legault, however, wishes to take note of the opinion of the new interim national director of public health, Dr. Luc Boileau, on the issue. The latter should offer his recommendation quickly.

After confirming Dr. Boileau's appointment , the Prime Minister took the time to thank Horacio Arruda for his work. "He has given everything he could for 22 months," he said.

After leading the fight against COVID-19 for 22 months, Horacio Arruda resigned yesterday as Quebec's national director of public health.

D Dr. Luc Boileau was most recently President and CEO of the National Institute for Excellence in Health and Social Services (INESSS). He was appointed interim national director of public health.

https://m1.quebecormedia.com/emp/emp...=774&width=968

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/20...le-point-a-13h

François Legault estimates that 1,000 more employees in hospitals and 1,500 in CHSLDs will be necessary in order to cross the fifth wave. Quebec is still discussing with the unions in order to find solutions.

"We are not able to confirm if we have reached the peak" of the fifth wave, launched Dr. Boileau, while the situation is worsening day by day in Quebec hospitals. The death toll from COVID-19 has increased to 62 deaths in Quebec in the last 24 hours, and 2,742 patients are currently hospitalized in the province.

Note that François Legault finally accepted the request of the opposition parties to hold weekly meetings to inform them of the latest developments concerning the pandemic.

More details to come ...

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:action-sm:ticking

TRUCKERS GOING ON STRIKE January 24, 2022.......... Will see then how shit will go for those communist leaders :Kissmy

TORONTOSUN FUREY: Half of COVID hospital numbers admitted for other reasons
 

The Ontario government quietly dropped a bombshell on Tuesday, producing a new dataset that reveals how many people were actually admitted to hospitals in the province because they were suffering from COVID-19.

The number is half of what the previous reporting had led the public to believe.

“This dataset details the percentage of COVID-19 positive patients in hospitals and ICUs for COVID-19 related reasons, and for reasons other than COVID-19,” the new online reporting portal explains.

The new numbers reveal that, as of Jan. 11, only 54% of the people reportedly in hospitals for COVID-19 were actually admitted because of their battle with the virus. The rest were hospitalized for some other reason, but just happened to test positive for the virus upon admission as part of routine screening.

When it comes to ICU occupancy, the publicly reported number is a far more accurate representation, but the new data still reveals that one in five supposed COVID ICU occupants was not actually in an ICU bed due to COVID-19.

This means that of the 2,467 people reported as “in hospital” on the Ontario government’s hospitalizations data page on Tuesday morning, only about half of them are actually in hospital due to COVID-19. Likewise, of the 438 persons reportedly in ICU for COVID-19, around 20% of them are not in fact COVID admissions.

This information is now coming out because the government only recently turned its attention to the matter. It was only on Friday that a revision allowed data entry at hospitals to include a drop-down box option that indicated when COVID-19 was not a person’s primary reason for being in hospital.

A memo sent to hospitals at the time said the purpose of the software revision was “to document COVID-19 positive test results as either the primary cause of admission to critical care or as an incidental finding on routine testing.”

The revelation out of Ontario is not out of step with other jurisdictions that have also released more detailed information on hospital admissions. It appears that, throughout North America, most regions are reporting a similar incidental rate of around half.

The Saskatchewan government reported on Jan. 6 that only 42% of their COVID-19 positive hospitalizations were confirmed to be in a hospital specifically for COVID-19.

While the phenomenon of incidental hospitalizations has always been occurring, it was believed to be a much smaller figure prior to the emergence of the highly-transmissible Omicron. Now that Omicron has become much more prevalent in the community, the number of incidental COVID-19 hospital numbers has soared.

“While this doesn’t change the serious situation in Ontario’s hospitals, it is important to share this data to provide additional context on the state of the pandemic,” Ontario Health Minister Christine Elliott posted to social media after the changes to reporting were made.

It’s a change that physicians mostly welcome, although they note it comes with some caveats.

“I do think it’s a good thing that we’re reporting incidentals,” said Dr. Kwadwo Kyeremantang, an ICU doctor at the Ottawa Hospital, who explained that incidental admissions who test positive for COVID-19 typically have a different prognosis and shorter length of hospital stay than those admitted strictly for COVID-19.

“Reporting this will get a better sense of what the future will look like and how well our patients will do,” Kyeremanteng added.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...-other-reasons

let´s get this to the point and not a POV...

the vaxed or non vaxed can still get covid and this new variant and are both susceptible to the virus and being hospitalized, as it is in the UK and over the EU...

difference is, the government is saying with vax, you have less risk of death.

so if you want vaccine or not, is not the problem and should not separate anyone!


what matters is either, having a vaccine that will make the virus stronger and continue to be a problem or if you don´t you could become possible to death with the virus, unless, as should be, stay the fuck away from me, and i´ll keep my mask on, wash and stay clean using sanitizers...


a massive question, before this pandemic, every government had no money for homeless, low paid or ex military, and now have billions, or trillions to give to vax peeps, wtf, where´s this money suddenly come from, why is the governments of the world giving so much to the companies dealing with vaccines and yet no help was given to cancers, the aged, people with nothing, omg, this is all so crazy! :2 cents:

Good questions! No wonder we're seeing massive inflation, while in these last 2 years economists & gov officials have been saying it's normal, fine, or transitory, lies, all lies. Your comment also raises the question of: Why tax us if they can just print the $? :disgust

They can’t print the money. Doing so causes the cash we have to deflate. That’s their plan though