Screen time is very expensive. And limmited. For 100 million you get maybe 2 hours to tell a great story.

Devations from story time to parade WOKE characters takes time from story telling.

So the choice is awesome story or woke fantasy. No time for both.

Frodo & Sam, Merry and Pippin, Bilbo and Gandalf. Always talking about how they love each other. Before Golum turned, he was a hobbit that killed his boyfriend because of the ring.

And even when visiting the elves. None of them talked about pussy. You know that elf pussy had to be tight. All that time on the quest, nobody mentions elf pussy? I bet the Dwarves tear that pussy up.

“Bother burgling and everything to do with it! I wish I was at home in my nice hole by the fire, with the kettle just beginning to sing!”

"It's fucking bullshit" <--- literally your first words here, Icy McCool.

So what?

Are you chronically obtuse in real life too?

Man...that's like: "You can't make a movie with action and a deep story - no time for both."
Just nonsens.

And I don't know why it's "woke" when characters have different skin colors. You guys talking like you saw Trans-Gandalf riding over a rainbow on a Unicorn and shoot marshmallows at misogyn orcs.

We just talking about skin colors, which makes 0 difference at all.

You haven't made a single point yet. But I'll be patient with you. Care to try again?

I'll take that as a yes.

Oh ok. So we can have white actors in Black Panther (set in Africa) no problem?
How about Johnny Depp plays Malcolm X?
Or we get Lady Gaga to play Ray Charles instead of Jamie Foxx.

After all, it's just skin color, right?

Lord Of The Rings is based on Anglo-Saxon and Viking gods and lore. I don't remember Thor being white (or any Vikings). So, as I said above: make a black Lord Of The Rings! Man it would be cool as shit. Think Hamilton meets Harry Potter. :)

I accept your concession. We're done here.

Really? How?

Frog pussy is the tightest. Frog pussy is waterproof

If that were the case why do woke movies suck? FYI the actor that played Gandalf is gay. Never mentioned in the film.

With or without corner boys?

[QUOTE=lockept93;22968440 just talking about skin colors, which makes 0 difference at all.[/QUOTE]

Then why change the skintone if its not an issue? Care to explain?

To give a lot of people a feeling to be a part of this fiction world to enjoy it in the same way like we who just born with white skin - just missing of pigments. It don't hurt you and me in any way and may can help others to identify with characters. I feel bad when I imagine a black kid that loves fantasy have to feel to be not a part, just cause it's black.

I really can't understand why this is such a problem. In the end I don't know any other way than calling people who have a problem with this racists - but I don't do that and i do not want to bring this discussion in this direction.

I understand discussions about changes in characters - and maybe yes the series will be shit when it comes. But for me is a 50 years teeny looking Frodo a bigger issue than the existing of black skinned Drawfs and Elves. If they would have blue skin - nobody would talk about this, it just would be a normal interpretation of art. We see actors - nobody look like Tolkien imagined. What if the black actor was just the best actor for this role in the casting? You prefer a less good cast just for skin colors?

It looks really fake, dumb and woke. Like a cheap rip off for the new wave of viewers. It just reeks of commerciazed garbage.

It’s kinda like you’re the one who is triggered. You made a thread to cry about how triggered you are..

The Red Hat species is a very delicate member of the snowflake tribe. They are easily offended and feel threatened when gay and black people are introduced into their little village.

I love the sound of racist losers whining.

:1orglaugh

Now THIS is what I find offensive and, if I were a black person, would find it even more so. You are saying I (as a black person say) do not have the capacity to identify with a character who does not look and sound like me? Huh.

So i guess (as a black person) I am just dumb, too stupid and ignorant and have no imagination. Okay - so then I, as a white person, cannot identify with Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop, or Will Smith in Independence Day.

How insulting, limiting and racist.

************** And to all those thinking I am a triggered racist: how can I be if I am calling for an all-black Lord Of The Rings that I think would be kick-ass awesome? Hmm? Think about that one please. ****************

Says the white person crying about a bunch of fictional characters being made black or gay.

And how can you be racist? Well, there was a time when blacks couldn't drink from the same fountain. Here you are, suggesting segregation based off a fantasy film. I really can't see how anyone would think you were racist.

What makes you think they'll deviate from story time? That's like saying a gay football player, or a black football player won't give you the same effort because they'll be parading about being gay or black or both. They're actors, much like white actors, that are capable of just acting, without the need to parade their ethnicity or sexuality.

A few black cast members: unacceptable. All black cast: totally fine. Troll-o-Meter: 110%

LOL A movie where Bilbo Baggins plays an American and Gollum plays an African. Troll-o-Meter: 2016%

ROFLCOPTER Well it's only the entire point of the thread. Well played. Troll-o-Meter: 15,000 roentgen

You mean kinda like you, as a white person, struggling to comprehend how you'll relate to a fantasy film because an elf is black or gay? If so, then yes, exactly like that.

What about the new Vikings (which turned a white male king into a black female). They spent millions on sets, boats, etc to make it all seem authentic and then they make black vikings. They go to great lengths to make it realistic and then literally shoe-horn in black vikings just for the sake of appeasing some small group screaming diversity. There were no black vikings, period.

or black, gay Achilles in the BBC Troy series. Literally described in the book as having long flowing blonde hair.

Or shooting black Nazis in a recent Call of Duty game?

I understand the need for diversity in modern pieces - it's part of the world now - but black people were never a major part of medieval europe and I don't see what the point is in pretending otherwise.

Our parents, and our parents parents (possibly) complained about similar stuff when things were adapting for a newer generation. Like all living things, we adapt to our environment and the things around us.

A few years ago, when tubes were literally stealing money from everyone, the collective were shouting "adapt or die". It became a mantra. Why is it so difficult to adapt to a few gay or black elves?

I don't think it affected the story much replacing a white King with a black woman. If you're looking for era accuracy them maybe you need to watch documentaries instead of fictional shows.

Segregation? LOL Get the fuck outta here man. Stupid analogy and comparison, one meant to obfuscate the point here: STAY TRUE TO THE LORE. Want to deviate? GREAT! I like deviations - when they are advertised as such.

Nope this is simply woke appropriation. If you can't see the problem with it, or how inherently racist the whole practice is and insulting to blacks in general, than i can't help you.

Wanting things to be the way they are MEANT TO BE is not racist. We are talking works of fiction here, so things should be presented the way the AUTHOR intended. Anything else is a bastardization.

Oops might be called a racist there watch out! Please don't introduce facts into a discussion where those who see race everywhere through their woke filter attack people for not wanting inappropriate changes.

This is Lord Of The Rings, a SPECIFIC complaint about altering the original text with characters and races that do not belong IN THIS STORY. Other stories? Rock on! But leave Lord Of The Rings alone.

No one is going to like this garbage, trust me. Not even woke wankers with an agenda.

"Meant to be" for whom? For you? Just read the book. This is "meant to be" for a different demographic. I don't see the issue.

Maybe one day they'll make a more believable elf story; where the elves are white.

I never called you racist. You're going supernova batty over some black gay elves, so I think you're a bit of a weirdo.

Something like Vikings is a historic show, not a fictional show. It's based on actual events that transpired.

Here's the thing. Someone takes an IP like The Witcher, which is based on books. The books describe a specific person. People imagine this person in their head based on this text. Then they take this blonde girl and replace her with black woman. Her being black does not contribute to the story, she's just there for the sake of ticking off some checkboxes.

As The Porn Nerd said, someone could easily make a brand new IP that has gay or black or whatever characters built into it as part of the story. I'm sure there is a whole rich history of medieval/ancient African stories and myths that would be very enjoyable to watch, however if someone like Kunta Kinte was cast as a white woman in a remake of Roots it would look stupid, no?

I actually get where you're coming from. I even said as much earlier in this thread. So a white MLK or a black Amelia Earhart would be weird for me. But this thread is about bloody elves!!!

Also, I don't know much about Viking history, but I do know that they were white. The black woman being in it didn't change much for me as a viewer.

It's called being a fan, which is short for 'fanatic'. So yes, triggered by corporate greed pigs looking to desecrate a sacred fictional text beloved by millions (of all races) for decades.

This sums it up:

Only a real Geek will get this, unless the google it.

As for Warrior Galadrial - JRRT described her as an Amazon Warrior, By the time she is in the movies she has had 1,000s of years of maturing, and increasing her power.

If they were smart, they'd do a series on the Elvish otherworld of Rivendell, with a history of the Elvish race. That is something I would watch.

Seethe is definitely a hobbit word

Chris after a show runs for more than a season or so the writer's always turned the storylines to backstabbing each other, That's because that's how showbiz people are in real life. So the writers right about what they know.

The fact of the matter is the old generation always turns everything over to the new generation that's the way of the world

And that's what I do I mostly watch documentaries and I and I listened audio books now

I have very little interested in what the new generations up to.


It's just a bunch of made up problems. That's what happens when you live in the greatest country in the world. you have to make up problems.


If these peeps were living in nairobia they'd be worried about getting murdered in their sleep and having food to eat they wouldn't be woke that's for sure.

The people of "nairobia" [sic] would also not give a shit about black, gay elves.

People like you and I have had a lifetime to affect change, but we did nothing. You use the word woke like it's a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with people being aware and actively trying to bring about social change that is inclusive.