Okay, the next time you see me at a show, say it all to my face. I have posted my pic in this thread. It's hilarious being called a failure by someone with a website that looks like the last update to the frontend was 2008. From someone who is still pushing a "porn" content management system, in 2022, when anyone with a phone can snap a pic and have a instant platform on sites like OF.

Pretty damn cool! :) I will go one day before I die. I am a "Mc".

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Not enough of them turn into real business people who run their OF as a real business. A few superstars make bank yes but the vast majority get bored, drop out, etc. Look at cam girls for confirmation.

Also: I always laugh when people say paysites are dead. I respond with this inconvenient truth that usually either shuts people up or makes them shrug their shoulders because they don't have a good answer. Ready? Here it is:

If paysites are dead why do companies keep launching new ones?

I just got an email THIS WEEK from Nubiles announcing the launch of a brand-new MILF network of paysites. An entire network! Yah paysites are dead and OF girls will replace us all. :1orglaugh

Don't ask . . .

xbiz Miami was packaged with over 300 independent cam models and platform creators.
Also Model management companies.
There were so many, I was doing business while I was in line to get my badge.
I will create my own thread with more details..

what will you be doing at a show? begging for work? :1orglaugh such a tough guy...

yea my site sells, so who cares about your opinion? at least i'm still in business and its been growing steadily since 2007. what are you selling in this industry other than bottles of tears?

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I don't work for other people, you incel. Again, I am an actual marketer that goes and and DOES, not a drop out who copped out to TEACHING (selling scripts, services etc.).

Show me some sales stats from offers you are converting in 2022, I'm rocking $1-$2 epc and can generate $1k a day in sales from organic traffic.

If you could do that you would not be reliant on a piece of shit content management system that looks like it's straight out of the 90's you fucking moron.

What will I be doing? I will be calling you out to your face, watching you stutter and look at your feet nervously while you backtrack and say "aw man it's gfy I was just kidding!"

But I doubt your hobbit, bitch ass leaves your mothers basement.

My complaints are about going from 30-50 sales a day to 10 sales a day. (things you have never accomplished).

Also, where were you at all of the vip events I was invited to over the years, never saw you sitting next to billionaires? Never have seen you anywhere, had to ask who you were. My colleagues don't even know about you, meaning, you truly are a nobody in this industry.

Go present an unknown link to 100 potential customers in a sales pitch compared to presenting an onlyfans link to the same customers.

They trust OF. They like OF, they don't want your piece of shit, scam, x-sale infested, shit product any longer.

I am able to read thousands of conversations per day, I have a feel for what the people want from their own mouths, not from sales stats, google analytics, or optimism.

If you read my complaint, which you clearly have not, it's more about the influx of models and "content creators" who have saturated traffic sources by creating 5 million instant competitors.

I never said anything about being tough, but if I ever see your soft, chubby, bitch ass face you are going to feel the fear of God in your heart. If that's how you want it to be, we can rock like that too fat boy.

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Thinking about buying Porncms, worth it?
 

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Come on man, if I upload some more free videos to tubes and continue to convert at 1 in 10,000 I'll make as much as a mediocre OnlyFans model does per day.

Let me give you some inconvenient, this is a myth. Terrible OF models make more than the industry would ever pay them. Ugly girls, lazy girls, etc. If you have to tell yourself "but most don't try!" to justify laps being run around you it's really time to find a new argument.

This is very fucking true, I have seen the most beat, worthless models making 20k+ a month, and it caused them to quit whoring, quit dancing, and become crack addicts to OF stats.

The game is changed.

Thanks for not answering the question (which I predicted) because you cannot. If paysites were dead, not worth the investment or ROI, ethen WHY do new ones keep popping up? From both large established ("billionaire") companies as well as small independent ones?

Oh right - because they make money. Still. Today. In 2022. And beyond...

Who said OF is running laps around me (or most paysite owners)? Perhaps a Solo Girl site that's not updated yes but not a niche site or one with multiple models.

I started my little empire with solo girls so I know more about dealing with models and their work ethic than you probably do. Trying to get a group of models together for a single day's shoot is like herding cats. Trying to get them to send you new content it would take them five minutes to create is like pulling teeth.

Nope sorry, the overwhelming majority of OF (and cam) models are lazy fucks who drop out, get a Sugar Daddy, party too much, are low level intelligent, get pregnant, overdose, become a stripper/escort, marry a beta cuck...on and on. FLAKY.

Hey goofy, they can be flaky on OF because they don't have to do 1% of the work you'd require for even one underpaid shoot. They snap a few second or minute video in their home, make a few posts per day and make multiples of what you'd ever pay on any kind of deal. And there are stacks and stacks of them outperforming you all by their lonesome.

You are egotistical about your ability to sell some joins on outdated paysites but you can sell anything. Our mainstream items are sold at triple the cost on the same platforms we can buy them on because we know how to market.

The girls don't need you, they don't want you and OF is saturated as a brand. It's in songs, tv shows, movies and my grandma knows what it is.

Just think, you could have stuck all your models on OF at 10% of their earnings and you'd make more than you do now.

Sad. :1orglaugh

I love the number of assumptions in your post. They are all wrong about paysites, my personal business and the overall success of OF models. YES they are a mainstream-aware brand now but so what?

My point is about 8% of OF models are making what you would consider "bank". The rest? Poor-to-middling earnings. I interact with many, many models who have OF profiles and every single one complain about their (lack of) earnings, how much (consistent) work it takes to feed the members, how bored/tired they are of never-ending social media posts to get 1 or 2 $3.99 signups....come on man you are not talking to a noob here. LOL

This entire argument reminds of me the "there is no money in porn anymore" argument from around 10 years ago (about when I started). You know, the Golden Days are over, too much free stuff on tubes, all the money has shifted to cams and dating, paysites are dead...

I could not even begin to count the number of new PROFITABLE paysites that have opened (and continue to this day) over the past decade.

But hey carry on trying to convince yourself - of what I'm not sure because you and the OP are not profiting from OF (or paysites) so WTFE. :pimp

Moving to Miami later this year. Looking forward to the next one.

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Well said.

I mean, the ecosystem has changed, but it has not been eradicated, just, ya know, evolved.

Assumptions? I've been doing this since the 90's and specialized in building out personal profiles / sites / online personas. You are personally butthurt that OF models are running laps around you because "models are dumb and lazy!"

We all know this, dunce. Which is why it's hilarious that you think your busted collection is successful because some of your models are too lazy to.... do what they do already online? Are you coaching them or something because making a few posts per day that don't even have to make sense is a far cry from "they're tired of posting to social media all the time!!!"

It's bullshit, we all know it's bullshit and that a few paysite owners will come in here swinging on the same hope that made them avoid tube sites for 10 years and build new paysites in 2022 is meaningless because you are still getting lapped.

And that's talking about individual onlyfans models, we haven't even touched how hard OF itself is lapping you. Somehow they got all those lazy, coked up, flaky models you hate so much to collectively generate dump trucks full of cash every single day.

And to think, you had all of the tools necessary to do the same thing and decided to build recurring paysites instead. :1orglaugh

16,000 girls make at least $50k a year on OF

https://www.axios.com/2021/08/19/onl...stors-struggle

How many girls made $50k plus a year in the "good old days"?

I know we shot approx 100-150 girls a year over the course of 20 years and maybe 5% of them made more than that. If even.

People still underestimate the size and relevance of OF

Yes but what is the percentage of girls who earn that? 8% like I said make that much money off OF. That means the rest are doing what I said, so-so or poorly.

But again this is exactly like comparing cam girls revenue to paysite models' revenue. You know it's a different business model, right? Get paid for a shoot where WE own the content vs. an OF amateur controlling her own content? Apples and oranges sorry.

And for the final time (in this thread) since no one can answer this simple question:

WHY DO COMPANIES KEEP OPENING BRAND NEW PAYSITES? Hmm? Oh right, because paysites produce revenue for years and years, even when not updated, vs. OF models who have next to zero longevity. :thumbsup

16,000 OF models making 50k vs. one million OF profiles for a percentage of 1.6%.

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So yeah everyone should close their paysites immediately and go home. All Content Partners on tube sites should delete their accounts and go home. OnlyFans models win. LOL Please people!!

Yikes......

Now the question is how many of those sell porn?

you have either not understood my initial point or chose to ignore it

your replies at least have nothing to do with what I said

I understood it perfectly as an apples vs. oranges analogy and therefore rejected it. It is not fair to compare an OF model to a professional porn shoot (which you setup for years) where the model has zero ownership. She does it for a fee but does not own the content. In reality, all "porn stars" are simply professional whores who also get filmed.

An Only Fans model is (in theory) her own boss. Now is she a good employee or a lazy, flaky one as I maintain? So you cannot compare a work-for-hire porn shoot vs. an amateur model who runs her own Only Fans account (or paysite). The 5% you mention are models who went on to run their own site, become a contract girl or do custom shoots on the side. I bet if OF were around then the same 5% would do well on OF while the rest would not. In comes down to drive and work ethic, like most things in life. So, in the end, the percentages are similar (your 5% vs. my 8%).

Lastly, 50k a year is only $1,000 a week. That is not a big deal. That is almost minimum wage here in the US. LOL Funny thing is, no one in this thread (I think?) is making money off of OF models so why are people defending it so strongly? Seems odd to me. Oh well, carry on. :)

He was talking to me Sir. :) But you make good points. MY point is not that OF is bad or wrong or a scam or anything like that. I'm just saying paysites are here to stay and some models (most?) would benefit from a proper paysite along with OF.

The nice thing about Adult in 2022 is that it's not really an either/or kind of thing anymore but rather a model can now have OF and a paysite, tube profile, clips store, etc. Why limit yourself to one revenue stream when you can take advantage of many that are out there. :)

No model that is successful on OF wants a paysite. You keep talking like these recurring memberships are the magic bullet but OF already had recurring memberships. That's the main draw, selling premium content is just a bonus. Many of them pay for pro shoots, most of them make better content than they'd ever get from a pro shoot. Just compare the average (lol yours) paysite with the content a good OF model has and the difference is night and day in both quality and what the customer of amateur models actually wants. The OF girls win in all categories.

onlyfans.com/trishyland

Oh look, $19.99 per month, almost like a paysite.

"The $1 million per month that Trisha Paytas was making from OnlyFans accounts for a portion of their net worth, and doesn’t include their various other projects, including their appearances on Frenemies. "

This ugly, washed up hag is more successful than a stable of washed up hags in a network (cough cough) combined.

SAD

Your example actually proves one of my points. This train wreck of a human has a strong media and TV presence, large social media following, etc. So IF a model can bring in the traffic - and only mainstream models/actresses who 'go OF' can usually draw those initial numbers - then of course they will be successful. However, this is the exception that proves the rule.

You see, becaue of the interaction on OF (one of its' beggest draws) there is an expectation of interaction (duh). But it's a double-edge sword because when the model gets tired, pregnant, married, etc etc the interaction dwindles and dies. With a paysite (more niche than a 'solo girl' site per se) this isn't the case (tho interaction is best with a paysite too, if you can get it from the model).

Anyway there is no money in porn, right? :thumbsup

And my ugly hag neighbor that posts horrible karaoke videos in tight clothes (that she did before OF was a thing) now makes $35,000 per month with 10 second videos that resemble adult TikTok vids and static images of her ugly snatch. She doesn't know how to promote, she just does her normal shit on Facebook with lingerie on that a "professional photographer" (free local perv) took and has a link in her profile. She's a narcissist, thinks she can sing like Reba when it's nails on a chalkboard and she does nothing of import. $35,000 per month. :thumbsup

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I'm sure we're all very proud of your ability to pay rent from time to time. :1orglaugh

Maybe the OP should start an OF rival and then he will calm down a bit?