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OldJeff 06-07-2022 09:50 AM

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TGPs are killing the industry

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MGPs are killing the industry

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Cross Sales are killing the industry

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Tubes are killing the industry


Holy Fuck this industry has been dying for the last 25 years, same dumb asses are screaming, same people are still making tons

JasonCollins 06-07-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 23004628)
OF grew the paysite industry, they didn't kill it.

they brought millions of models into the industry. they got tens of millions of freeloaders to open their wallets.

OF is a marketplace. its poorly designed and impersonal. all these models still want their own site, where they own the content rights and members, and they want to earn more per member.

OF payouts aren't great, and they can lock a model out at any time for all sorts of reasons. that puts a model out of business in an instant. just like cam models, OF models need to be securing their business with their own paysite (as well as selling on other marketplaces).

maybe OF is bad for tube owners, but its been great for the paysite business. PornCMS gets new site owner accounts every week.

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celandina 06-08-2022 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 23004710)
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NiceGoodMan 07-18-2022 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 23004628)
OF grew the paysite industry, they didn't kill it.

they brought millions of models into the industry. they got tens of millions of freeloaders to open their wallets.

OF is a marketplace. its poorly designed and impersonal. all these models still want their own site, where they own the content rights and members, and they want to earn more per member.

OF payouts aren't great, and they can lock a model out at any time for all sorts of reasons. that puts a model out of business in an instant. just like cam models, OF models need to be securing their business with their own paysite (as well as selling on other marketplaces).

maybe OF is bad for tube owners, but its been great for the paysite business. PornCMS gets new site owner accounts every week.

welcome to GFY nube! :1orglaugh
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True and wise words.. also Iīm a fan of old style things and miss before OF times.. much..

but still, my personal experience and 2 cents:

OF pays 90%? or 95%? I donīt know exactly but surely 85% or over.. without any hassle, with manual requests (by a click) or just automatic payments. No refunds, no complex papers to sign - send - wait for days or weeks - send again like opening up big industry leaders Epoch or CCBill.. I donīt mention VISAīs and Mastercardīs separate 500 USD per year fees (On OF there are no fees).

OF makes everything on the fly, so easy for customers, users but also for models to use.. to upload, to share, to answer. Very simple interface, very easy to use, user friendly and working all the times, no downtime, no slowness..

On ManyVids for example itīs not easy to upload multi files. Itīs possible but their servers are slow. Very slow that the files stuck.

Hosting is a pain in the ass. Very expensive. VERY EXPENSIVE.

VERY..

you got my point.

No hosting fees never ever with OF. Period.

Free marketing from OF, no conversation scripts, no extra software to edit etc or upload or use. Everything and whatever you need is simply there.

As a brand itīs world class well-known already. When you see a girl on TikTok or Instagram, people ask her OF.. not paysite. Many people also not look for porn but, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, they look for interactivity with the model, not directly porn videos of her on a paysite.

This is this generation.

As we donīt have DVDīs anymore, or Playboy Penthouse paper magazines around to look for, OF is here to stay for a while like they did, until another one comes to offer another way to reach what people demand.

mainstreammix 07-18-2022 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NiceGoodMan (Post 23023012)
True and wise words.. also Iīm a fan of old style things and miss before OF times.. much..

but still, my personal experience and 2 cents:

OF pays 90%? or 95%? I donīt know exactly but surely 85% or over.. without any hassle, with manual requests (by a click) or just automatic payments. No refunds, no complex papers to sign - send - wait for days or weeks - send again like opening up big industry leaders Epoch or CCBill.. I donīt mention VISAīs and Mastercardīs separate 500 USD per year fees (On OF there are no fees).

OF makes everything on the fly, so easy for customers, users but also for models to use.. to upload, to share, to answer. Very simple interface, very easy to use, user friendly and working all the times, no downtime, no slowness..

On ManyVids for example itīs not easy to upload multi files. Itīs possible but their servers are slow. Very slow that the files stuck.

Hosting is a pain in the ass. Very expensive. VERY EXPENSIVE.

VERY..

you got my point.

No hosting fees never ever with OF. Period.

Free marketing from OF, no conversation scripts, no extra software to edit etc or upload or use. Everything and whatever you need is simply there.

As a brand itīs world class well-known already. When you see a girl on TikTok or Instagram, people ask her OF.. not paysite. Many people also not look for porn but, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, they look for interactivity with the model, not directly porn videos of her on a paysite.

This is this generation.

As we donīt have DVDīs anymore, or Playboy Penthouse paper magazines around to look for, OF is here to stay for a while like they did, until another one comes to offer another way to reach what people demand.

I'm glad you called out the people claiming to "still make tons" as if their revenue or revenue per site / click / whatever isn't down every year.

Again people, you can make money on a lot of dying shit but that don't mean it's "alive and well" or you'd all be selling porn VHS tapes for $200 each.

plsureking 07-18-2022 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mainstreammix (Post 23023048)
I'm glad you called out the people claiming to "still make tons" as if their revenue or revenue per site / click / whatever isn't down every year.

Again people, you can make money on a lot of dying shit but that don't mean it's "alive and well" or you'd all be selling porn VHS tapes for $200 each.

how's the design and flow of OF these days? still one long feed?

you can view posts or media :1orglaugh

i have several clients with libraries of over 5,000 videos. i have clients selling "network passes" and many with upsells to their other paysites. how do upsells work on OF?

OF is not the best solution for every producer. maybe for a cam model with 200 videos.

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mainstreammix 07-19-2022 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 23023081)
how's the design and flow of OF these days? still one long feed?

you can view posts or media :1orglaugh

i have several clients with libraries of over 5,000 videos. i have clients selling "network passes" and many with upsells to their other paysites. how do upsells work on OF?

OF is not the best solution for every producer. maybe for a cam model with 200 videos.

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Onlyfans isn't for producers, it's for models that control their own stuff obviously.

dig420 07-19-2022 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 23009069)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TGPs are killing the industry

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MGPs are killing the industry

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Cross Sales are killing the industry

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Tubes are killing the industry


Holy Fuck this industry has been dying for the last 25 years, same dumb asses are screaming, same people are still making tons

Yeah, but tubes DID kill the industry. At least the part that mattered to most webmasters, which is paysites.

Robbie 07-19-2022 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LouiseLloyd (Post 23004733)
You need to provide ID and model release all other participants in your content, exactly like cam sites.

The only way around the above is by the model in your content already possessing a verified creator account then you can tag them, so that if the poster does not have permission of the model they will be made aware and take the appropriate action.

Onlyfans periodically review all accounts and will remove breaching content and request third party model realise and ID of any participants they see in your content, otherwise it gets deleted within 24 hours.

Thats my experience and that was even after I had supplied all participants ID and model releases, which would lead me to believe they are overly cautious.

You gave copies of your model releases to a third party site? LOL!

We told them to fuck off when they demanded that shit.
You are supposed to be the legal Custodian Of Records. And models that work for you should feel secure that their personal information isn't gonna be handed to some morons in England running Only Fans that you don't even know.

That 2257 stuff is intended for the Feds eyes only if they were ever to raid you.

Wow. I can't believe that people actually handed over that type of personal info to faceless, nameless people on the internet. :(

Robbie 07-19-2022 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NiceGoodMan (Post 23023012)
Hosting is a pain in the ass. Very expensive. VERY EXPENSIVE.

VERY..

Hosting has never been cheaper.
In the beginning we paid by the gigabyte. Our hosting bills were enormous.

These days? Hosting costs are so low as to be negligible.
And there is no pain in the ass at all. Nothing like it used to be.
Just sayin'... hosting is definitely not an issue for anyone that wants it or needs it in 2022.

plsureking 07-19-2022 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 23023492)
You gave copies of your model releases to a third party site? LOL!

We told them to fuck off when they demanded that shit.
You are supposed to be the legal Custodian Of Records. And models that work for you should feel secure that their personal information isn't gonna be handed to some morons in England running Only Fans that you don't even know.

That 2257 stuff is intended for the Feds eyes only if they were ever to raid you.

Wow. I can't believe that people actually handed over that type of personal info to faceless, nameless people on the internet. :(

producers are sending releases and 2257 docs to billers and tube sites now. ccbill is demanding them. privacy is a myth. :(

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Peace 07-19-2022 09:53 PM

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Robbie 07-20-2022 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 23023520)
producers are sending releases and 2257 docs to billers and tube sites now. ccbill is demanding them. privacy is a myth. :(

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Nobody, and I mean nobody has ever and will ever get any of my records.
It's probably illegal for a Legal Custodian Of Records to even hand over that info to third parties that have ZERO rights to see them.

AmeliaG 07-20-2022 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 23009069)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TGPs are killing the industry

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MGPs are killing the industry

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Cross Sales are killing the industry

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Tubes are killing the industry


Holy Fuck this industry has been dying for the last 25 years, same dumb asses are screaming, same people are still making tons


:1orglaugh too true.

Hey, I still make dough from print publishing.

I never got why people fretted about TGPs either.

Gator 07-22-2022 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 23004628)
of grew the paysite industry, they didn't kill it.

They brought millions of models into the industry. They got tens of millions of freeloaders to open their wallets.

Of is a marketplace. Its poorly designed and impersonal. All these models still want their own site, where they own the content rights and members, and they want to earn more per member.

Of payouts aren't great, and they can lock a model out at any time for all sorts of reasons. That puts a model out of business in an instant. Just like cam models, of models need to be securing their business with their own paysite (as well as selling on other marketplaces).

Maybe of is bad for tube owners, but its been great for the paysite business. Porncms gets new site owner accounts every week.

Welcome to gfy nube! :1orglaugh
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Gator 07-22-2022 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 23023845)
:1orglaugh too true.

Hey, I still make dough from print publishing.

I never got why people fretted about TGPs either.

Not everyone is as fortunate as you so be grateful.

AmeliaG 07-23-2022 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Gator (Post 23024650)
Not everyone is as fortunate as you so be grateful.

Absolutely. I literally wake up every day and make a list of things I'm grateful for.

I can't do now precisely what worked in 1992 and it is not that I never get nostalgic or frustrated. But I do believe where there is a will, there is almost always a way.

OnlyFans has definitely fucked with the ecosystem, but so did the consolidation and then spectacular implosion in the late nineties of all the indie magazine distributors. DC Comics bought up the cool comic book distro and a bunch of key distro folks just went under without paying. It sucked so much that I had to start publishing on the freaking internet. The internet!

All entrepreneurship requires pivots. It's just the nature of it.

Rochard 07-23-2022 05:45 PM

I just received a $1k check from CCBill from my blog network.... Which is all of six blogs at this point. So no. The industry is fine.

plsureking 07-23-2022 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 23024918)
I just received a $1k check from CCBill from my blog network.... Which is all of six blogs at this point. So no. The industry is fine.

yup there's more porn customers out there than ever before. yet there's a lot of miserable people around here whining like their rent is overdue. :2 cents:

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Klen 07-24-2022 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 23023845)
:1orglaugh too true.

Hey, I still make dough from print publishing.

I never got why people fretted about TGPs either.

I still wish how TGP would work as editing/selecting pictures are far more fun then dealing with videos.

plsureking 07-24-2022 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Klen (Post 23024957)
I still wish how TGP would work as editing/selecting pictures are far more fun then dealing with videos.

those were fun times :upsidedow

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Robbie 07-24-2022 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 23024945)
yup there's more porn customers out there than ever before. yet there's a lot of miserable people around here whining like their rent is overdue. :2 cents:

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You're right Pleasure King...but I'd bet that Rochard hasn't made a thousand bucks off of affiliate sales in his whole life. lol

DVTimes 07-24-2022 09:54 AM

The problem is with sites is they are making content that the average person can make on a mobile phone.

If you want to make money in porn, then make something better than the average person can make.

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plsureking 07-24-2022 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 23025074)
The problem is with sites is they are making content that the average person can make on a mobile phone.

If you want to make money in porn, then make something better than the average person can make.

i guess if you think point and shoot is the only skill required to make a video, that would explain why you aren't making any money in porn. stop lecturing people who make a shitload more than you.

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cordoba 07-25-2022 04:28 AM

Does any OnlyFans type site offer a regular affiliate program, that you can promote particular girls etc?

I wonder why it took so long for somebody to come up with the idea of OnlyFans? I remember when the tube sites started 15 years ago, that people here were predicting that solo model sites where they interacted with their fans would be the future.


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