I disagree man. Maybe in the corporate world, or in much larger mainstream projects it's the norm, but we don't go much further then segregating front end and backend developers. I simply have an expectation that a backend developer will at least know the basics of security. A good web dev should know at least a good bit about everything involved along the line. They should know how an httpd works, how browser headers work, etc. Otherwise they are just a mindless drone.

I'm not saying every programmer has to be a professional penetration tester, but to put it into a comparison - I would expect a car mechanic to know how a transmission works but wouldn't necessarily expect a normal mechanic to be able to rebuild one.

yea adult sites are small projects. even one with a network of sites, member/transaction management, streaming video, a cdn, and a backend to manage it is a small project.

budgets are small too.

there's a few big projects with big teams, but that's pretty rare.

this reality is well understood by those who spent their career (20+ years) developing for the adult industry. we're usually the sole team member on most projects.

developers who spent their whole career in adult usually know the entire stack top to bottom and sideways. we know many different packages and built our own. there's at least a couple dozen of us here at gfy.

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"real engineers" :1orglaugh

yea we're just smut peddlers :1orglaugh

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Very well put. We aren't working for Google. We don't have the luxury of a $45mil budget to make a paysite so we can hire a separate senior developer to handle the pressing of each individual letter on a group keyboard. We have to know everything about everything, top to fucking bottom, from how the webserver is configured to how the db is configured to how the postbacks from specific billers work because the budgets don't usually allow or require dozens of people working on a single site.

I didn't say you had to hire 3000 engineers to build a porn site. I said you want someone who does the work of 10 people but want to pay them chump change for it.

No wonder ya'll get fucking scammed so much.

But hey, if you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

I am not google, but I still budget about $20k/mo just for engineering on my products.

i don't make any budgets. the clients make the budgets. am i going to tell them i can't work for them because someone on gfy spends more?

i have clients who think $49 a month for a hosted cms is a lot. i also have clients who spend a lot more (and make a lot more).

if you want to be a service provider in adult, you can't have your nose up in the air.

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But then once again you're just wasting your time with that mindset. I don't need to know every bit top to fucking bottom when I can just pay AWS 5 dollars a month to do my webserver and database? I mean its just ridiculous to want to handle all parts of engineering, security and devops in one person. If you think you do all of that and you do a good job at it you're, no offence, delusional.

Actually yes you can. And I do it all the time. I just left a $200k/yr job because I didn't like the tone VPoE had in a slack DM.

I mean sure if you are in financial need then that's different, but we're not talking about someone taking a $120 coding job because it's better than nothing and they have rent to pay soon.

But anyway, this mentality of "I shouldn't pay for a service based on market rates because I'm cheap" is pretty unique to this industry only.

So I guess, enjoy working for $15/hr programming my guy. I'll enjoy sitting on the beach in the Bahama's for a week with a fruity drink in my hand knowing that I don't have to worry or be hunched over my desk for 23.5hr a day coding to make ends meet.

We're years behind tech wise compared to mainstream and that's a fact. There are exceptions, but those are rare.

The problem is that ok, we get to the "jack of all trades, master of none" idea, but you do really need to have a global understanding of how everything works in order to be a good dev and i do agree that the ideal is to have a dedicated team and delegate tasks, however that really does not happen in adult and 99% of the time it's design (HTML, CSS) part and the backend (coding) part and that's that.

Also the saying "porn pays more for coding" is false, the coding costs are a joke compared to mainstream - we charge 2-3K for a paysite (design, coding, setup, custom features, billers, etc...) - basically everything A to Z from the ground up - and that's considered expensive.

I paid $2k for a template in stock Tailwind CSS that I ended up not using... 2-3K budget for all that in a mainstream environment would get you laughed at by everyone but the $5/hr coder on Upwork bidding on your project at bottom of the barrel prices.

The guy has been doing exactly that for 20 years and thousands of websites/paysites use his software.
I have never seen a post on here that his software was hacked, slow, or bad.

You are delusional to call him delusion of about the last 20 years of his life.

:2 cents:

50 delusional mofos.

:1orglaugh

That is because you dont know, not because it did not happen. There's not 1 software made/used in adult that was not actively exploited by people. Of course they won't run here telling you this, that defeats the purpose. It's actually quite surprising how little things leaked to the board that actually happened over the years.

enjoy your borrowed piece of beach. i have a 5k sqft house and massive property in Thailand - zero debt and a pile of gold. i stayed in adult for 20 years because i enjoy the people and the product.

when a small producer comes to me with a low budget, i want to help them get to a big budget. no desperation here. i dont need to work another day in my life. i did mostly revshare deals in my early years. i stay in adult because i love it :pimp

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Are you claiming that you used his tube script and it was hacked?
Because how do you know?

:2 cents:

Technical debt and a pile of silver.

would that make you feel better about your own situation? :1orglaugh

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Yeah I don't know why that guy is acting like it's impossible to make money coding in adult. It bought and paid for my house, allowed us to open up two dental clinics and we even have 2 company cars besides the ones I drive myself. Yes, we're not Microsoft, and we work in a very niched market. Yes, you get the occasional client with a spec for $200k with a $2k budget - it happens, and it's enough to explain that Onlyfans wasn't programmed for $2k. That doesn't mean we're putting in 23 hour days and making burger-flipper money. There's quite a few of us that have done well coding in adult without being huge companies. TMM, Elevated X, etc as well...

I buy PMs too, some gold but a lot more silver. I feel it has more room to increase in value plus if there is some complete societal collapse it'd be easier to barter with. That said, as the collection grows one realizes just how much fucking space it takes up. 20kg of silver has the same current value as 8 golds coins and takes up waaaaay more room.

I know because it is/was my business to know.

Yo mamma!

:1orglaugh

the strange thing is they run an "indie maker" community but shit on indie makers in our industry? we build and sell software, without investors or a large team. isn't that an indie maker? too much unnecessary flexing on this board.

i'm not sure about dental clinics tho. sounds like extreme fetish :1orglaugh

lol yea we used to buy gold and had some silver. then my wife started trading forex. now she earns my monthly income every night. i'm glad she likes me or i'd be living in a van down by the river.

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That is my situation. Care to trade?

My wife is an orthodontist, it's really her actually running those not me

That's why the wealthiest people use it as decor.

https://i.imgur.com/rwZWMWn.jpg

https://github.com/Kamona-WD/kui-lar...k.png?raw=true

great retirement plan! :1orglaugh

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