what's the matter sgt speedbump, afraid some stoner is going to run you over accidentally? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Do you support banning guns and beer and smoking and SUV's and every other thing that can kill people?

I don't know the stats and do not want to take the time to search, but I suspect that there are many more users of alcohol than MJ. I do not know the stats on relative percentages of accidents from being under the influence of either.

I drink beer almost daily...but yes...people and society would be better off, in general, if mind altering drugs were not used...other than for prescribed medicinal purposes.

Of course alcohol was outlawed at one time in this country but was repealed.

As to my comments it was in rebuttal that MJ is not harmful and of course it is.

I think he's talking about guns.

so you agree with him and think he's right but he should shut the fuck up because he's criticizing the govt?

GO BACK TO IRAQ!!! You would have loved living under Hussein :321GFY

So you drink daily, yet you think pot should be illegal?

Intoxicants have been used in every culture we've ever uncovered, from the Yanomamo to the Eskimos. There are sociologists who postulate that this universal phenomenon means that human beings, as a species, has a NEED for intoxicants. It's normal and necessary.

<a href=http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm>Shafer Commission 72</a>

Point out where I said that...but if you will re-read I do think that the use of mind altering drugs is not good for the individual or society in general.

you said it about four posts above. you're an alcoholic, which is only marginally better than being a speed freak.

ban guns and violent crime rates increase. go look up those stats...

"Do you think alcohol should be illegal?"


In a perfect society it woudl be illegal, but that will never happen. Once people have something they dont want to get rid of it.

Its kinda hard to compare alcohol to marijuana because on one hand are people having wine in an expensive restaurant, on the other hand is the lush polishing off a bottle of cheap scotch to get their fix.

The only goal of weed is to get stoned off your ass or at least a serious buzz.


Ten years from now people might be saying, 'hey, this cocain shit is pretty good, why the hell is it illegal'.


Alcohol is a big enough prob. We dont need people thinking smoking a joint is no more different than smoking a cigarette.

So then is murder and a myriad of other things that based upon that logic would be normal and necessary.

Check it out! Australia's PM actually disagrees with Bush! This is in today's Sydney Morning Herald.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...196648522.html

ummmmmmm yeah.. cocaine, pot, same thing :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I bet you vote republican

sad. very sad.

The fact that you believe this man is sad. There are several scientific studies which show that this 'doctor' is full of shit.

Like this for example....he is speaking about the harmful side effects of marijuana.
"These include lung disease, cardiac dysfunction, brain damage, genetic damage, immune disorders and psychomotor impairment."

I suppose he is using the study that was done on the monkeys for the brain damage( the one where monkeys were forced to inhale marijuana smoke and nothing else...not even oxygen, so they got brain damage...was a big deal during the reagan administration), but where is he coming up with genetic damage? maybe he should post some studies as well....otherwise it's all bullshit.

Here he is still spouting shit about the dangers of inhaled marijuana smoke as opposed to a pill form.
"This includes toxic effects on the lungs, additional side effects, and the danger of infection from fungus which is often found in marijuana cigarettes."
If it was legal dont you think it would be grown in a safe and controlled environment and therefore we wouldnt have to worry about 'fungus'?
additional side effects? you mean the ones that I actually like? that's harmful I guess.

When speaking about altnernative medication he promotes the use of drugs which he himself acknowledges to have bad side affects...even if they are mild.
"These medications have proven to be safe and effective for both adults and children and generally have only mild side effects."
Name a bad side affect of marijuana. Sure, if you inhale it then you are damaging your lungs, but that's your choice not his.
But what about the people who make butter out of it and eat some nice SAFE brownies?????

Honestly, this whole issue gets on my nerves. The fact that the blind remain blind and are making the rules that those of us who can see have to live by is pathetic.

Danny boy use the quote feature to show me where I said that pot should be illegal. I am not an alcoholic, have never been an alcoholic and it is physically not possible for me to become an alcoholic.

You aren't using logic at all. Murder is an act committed on another person. Pot is something you smoke on your own. America is supposed to be "free".

As long as you believe beer, tobacco, SUV's, guns, and movies, games, music, and TV should be illegal too, then you aren't being hypocritical.

you mean if you wear a backbrace you can swill beer all day every day and not be an alcoholic? are there any studies on that??

What does someone having wine in an expensive restaurant have to do with anything?

Someone just wants to smoke a joint while they're bedridden with cancer.

What's the difference?

Who cares anyways if the only point of pot is to get a serious buzz? I sure as shit don't care what people do at home. Sit around in your living room in your undies and smoke pot til you die for all I care.

Pot should be treated EXACTLY like alcohol. 21 age limit, established places to smoke (like bars) that require a fairly rigid licensing process, the ability to sit in your house and get as big a buzz as you want, and punishment for smoking then doing something that endangers others (smoking and driving).

My rebuttal logic is perfectly logical. People under the influence of mind altering drugs, including MJ and alcohol commit homicide-suicide-and manslaugter or cause accidental injury to themselves and others.

Okay. You implied that you thought it should be, so I will just ask.

Do you think pot should be illegal or legal?

found data for 1999. australia has the highest rate of violent crime per citizen among industrialised nations

Study the subject of physical addiction to alcohol Danny boy you may learn something...but in your case probably not.

<a href=http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3381>Marijuana Decriminilization Talking Points</a>

TALKING POINT #1:
Decriminalizing marijuana frees up police resources to deal with more serious crimes.

TALKING POINT #2:
Far more harm is caused by the criminal prohibition of marijuana than by the use of marijuana itself.

TALKING POINT #3:
Decriminalization does not lead to greater marijuana use.

TALKING POINT #4:
Criminal laws prohibiting marijuana possession do not deter marijuana use.

educate yourself.

'60,000 individuals are behind bars for marijuana offenses at a cost to taxpayers of $1.2 billion per year.
REFERENCE: Marijuana Arrests and Incarceration in the United States. 1999. The Federation of American Scientists' Drug Policy Analysis Bulletin.

Taxpayers annually spend between $7.5 billion and $10 billion arresting and prosecuting individuals for marijuana violations. Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for marijuana possession only. '

we're doin time to buy new prisons.

talking points from a pro pot ogranization. Those types of groups push the medical aspect of marijuana so hard to attempt to make it more legitimate.

so what makes you immune to being an alcoholic? how can you sit in that chair all day in your mothers house sweating behing that backbrace and drinking beer all day and not be an alcoholic?

are you Superman??

You seriously think throwing a guy who smokes 2 joints at home in jail is a worthwhile way to spend tax money on law enforcement, the court system, and the prison system?

oh my gawd, you know what the perfect society would be like?????

In a perfect society, as has already been mentioned in another post, the use of mind altering drugs would not be legal. As to pot...no I do not think that it should be legalized, but I do think that the use of pot should be de-criminalized.

a new kind of bomb that kills every male on the planet except me. it would be great

how is it different?

a perfect society doesn't need laws. In your perfect society, would they outlaw 'bad thinking' as well as drugs?

Just one more example how this administration favors big business over its people.

Drug companies lobby to keep marijuana illegal because it threatens their multi billion dollar a year synthetics and anything natural cannot be patented (ever wonder why aspirin is so cheap?).

Lumber companies fight to keep marijuana illegal because hemp is a better alternative to making paper compared to trees.

Companies are making billions a year incarcerating people because of drug violations.

Add this in with the companies that make millions off of court ordered drug counseling, government forfeitures, fines, and the government using drug laws as an excuse to violate rights its no wonder pot is illegal.

bastard!!
:glugglug

You can study the subject of alcohol addiction yourself Danny boy. I am not going to take the time to educate you. I will just repeat that it is not physically possible for me to become physically addicted to alchohol...but then again this applies to most people so...no I am not superman.

"These types of groups" keep putting out talking points, against government talking points and propaganda.

Do you find it worse that a government is trying to use talking points to oppress pot smokers or that some pot smokers are trying to use talking points to be free from government interfere in their own personal business?

I don't understand this "perfect society" stuff that keeps coming up.

In a perfect society you should be able to do whatever the hell you want to yourself in the confines of your own home as long as you don't harm anyone else.

And in any society, spending billions of dollars a year to arrest, try, and imprison Joe Pot Smoker while Joe Dumb Drunk gets to stumble down to the bar and get loaded up is aninine.