A number of things that one does in the privacy of ones home while not being legal, for all practical puposes the legality is immaterial. Not many people get busted for doing things that are not legal in the privacy of their own homes. It is for being fools outside the privacy of their own homes that gets them busted.

There may very well be more people in jail for public intoxication than any other crime. It is against the law to be drunk and drunks are busted in mass.

are you telling us that you've killed someone?

because to be honest, I've been smoking mary jane almost daily for 9 years, and have yet to commit a crime other than the fact that i smoke marijuana.
oh, and i havent harmed myself or others at all in those 9 years in case you are worried :)

Good for you but crime stats show...the majority of crime is committed while "under the influence"...as are many accidents...be it drug or alcohol related.

While alcohol is a legal drug...its sale, use, and possession is highly regulated by many laws.

Keep in mind, it too is not legal EVERYWHERE in the US.

Tried to grow tobacco lately? It's almost as illegal as pot.

They simply want control of certain industries at all costs.

:)

you didnt answer my question.


on a side note...
when those government propoganda commercials on tv state that a certain percentage of people pulled over by the police tested positive for marijuana....and then they say it's more harmful than we all thought.....do you believe them?

Yes...I have legally killed someone.

I cannot recall seeing a commercial like the one you have described. I do pay attention and believe the FBI crime stats that are published every year.

Umm....okay.

Thanks for the info?

it's on tv....they are on tv all the fricking time.

ok....statistics..... so do they state how many people commited crimes while under the influence of marijuana?
and how do they tell that someone is under that influence?
drug test?

also, just making up numbers here....
if 70% of the people that commit crimes are under the influence of some drug, but only 20% of the people using drugs are commiting crimes, does that mean drugs should be illegal?

You are welcome. You indicated that pot users go to jail and alcohol users do not...while there are probably more people that go to jail for the use of the legal drug...alcohol.

Re-read my posts...and do your own research on crime stats.

I posted this earlier, as if any of the dumbasses around here could or would read it, even if they did COULD they comprehend it?

This was written by your own government not some pro-pot org.

<a href=http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm><The Report of the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse
Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding
Commissioned by President Richard M. Nixon, March, 1972</a>

read you fools.

Alcohol users do not go to jail simply for posessing their alcohol, nor do they have to worry about the cops arresting them simply for consuming their alcohol in their own homes.

Your points are all irrelevant. It's obvious that misuse of alcohol lands you in jail. Your stunning grasp of the obvious is simply astounding.

i have. and?

'March 22nd marks the 30th anniversary of the release of the report of the so-called "Shafer Commission" -- the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse -- whose members were appointed by then-President Richard Nixon. The Shafer Commission's (named after commission Chair, Gov. Raymond Shafer of Pennsylvania) 1972 report, entitled "Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding," boldly proclaimed that "neither the marihuana user nor the drug itself can be said to constitute a danger to public safety" and recommended Congress and state legislatures decriminalize the use and casual distribution of marijuana for personal use.'

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5049

There are instances where you can be arrested for possession of alchohol or even the possession of an empty alcohol container. I do not know of many instances that pot users are arrested in the privacy of their homes for simply using pot, though I can understand their paranoia. Most people are not ever busted for doing something illegal within the privacy of their own homes.

Good...you now have your answers.

I agree...as I have previously stated...the use of MJ should be de-criminalized...but its sale, use and possession should be regulated much like alcohol is.

no i dont. you havent answered my questions.

By re-reading my posts and doing your own research the answer to all of the last questions you asked will be answered. The end.

ok....i'll try to explain this clearly.

i already know the answers!!! i've done my research and your posts dont tell me shit, so i was wanting to know your views.
but hey, if that's too much to ask i'll just leave it alone.

What the hell...

Sorry...never seen it...but then again I usually ignore most commercials.

I do not recall (you can do research yourself] the break down. Most crimes are committed while "under the influence" be it illegal drugs or alcohol.

Of course...through the use of various tests...and there are multiple tests.

At 20% which is a high percentage...yes.

Yeah, can you share your data!?


hard to believe...

here some stats:
"In 1996, for instance, 30 people were killed with handguns in Great Britain, 106 in Canada and 211 in Germany. In the U.S., 9,390 died this way. In Japan,15. "

http://www.jointogether.org/gv/issues/problem/global/


"An illuminating study published in The New England Journal of Medicine compared crime rates of Seattle, Washington and neighboring Vancouver, British Columbia from 1980 to 1986. The cities are fraternal twins-residents' incomes, education and ethnic backgrounds are almost identical; they watch the same TV channels. Overall crime rates were almost the same in the studied period; existing gun laws were strictly enforced in both cities. But the rate of assaults involving firearms was seven times higher in Seattle, and the risk of being murdered by a handgun 4.8 times higher. Why? Because Vancouver's gun restrictions were far more stringent and firearm ownership was lower, the researchers concluded."'

http://www.mediacoalition.org/report...eal_causes.htm



But hey, they are anti-gun websites... so the datas are probably falsified....!??

Having alot of personal experience with this whole thing. From assisting to make it legal in california, to being dissabled myself and finding out long ago that it was one of the only things I could use. For everyones information a doctor first told me behind closed doors to try pot since nothing else was working, this was before it was made "legal".

I am not gunna tackle each little and often way off point made so far, just one of the first.

There are not "prescription drugs" that work as well or better. Go ahead whip out google, find some drugs that cause you to eat more that have very few harmful side effects. Also find some that relieve nausea at the same time. Cmon...

Marijuana is the DEA's cashcow, without it being illegal they would have no budget and the US would have no signifigant drug problem in sheer numbers. Crack, heroin, meth, coke, x, opium, you name it is a minor percentage of the drug numbers. If you tossed out pot it would be laughable.

Making it legal for any reason would kill so many jobs that it would shock the economy. We are not talking about just DEA jobs or their huge budget. You have local task forces, sherrif offices, school programs, ad budgets, prison space and costs, state and city police, district attornies, court fines, mandatory treatment facilities and many more things all funded by pot use.

The best part of course is the fuzzy logic and stupidity they use. The keep hemp illegal cause it would make it hard for law enforcement to figure out what is pot and what is legal hemp. Yet they fail to relize that if hemp production was legal it would harm the outdoor and even many indoor growing operations with cross pollenation thus weakening the strains of pot.

Next - testing.

Sure it is easy to find that criminals have pot in their system, same with car wrecks, DUI's, you name it. Hell the answer is right under everyones noses.

Check and see how long each test checks for and how long it stays in your system as traceable.

Coke, short time.

Meth, short time.

Shrooms/acid. not to long.

Pot, 30-45 days.

Hmm smoke a joint today, get in a wreck in a week or a fight and well when they test you, you are now a marijuana statistic regarding the number of offenses pot users comit.

Gateway drug.

Marijuana as a gateway drug is just a myth, ask nearly any hard drug user which they had first, pot, alchohol, or nicotine.

i rather would like to see pot legal even though i wont ever get near that shit ever! what irritates me is the people who claim that its not unhealty to use. and why would you keep comparing it to cigarettes and alcohol? they fuck you up as well, maybe not as much, but depends on the amount of the consumption.

Safety-

Nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana. Period! Only case history of such incident was a rat that was injected with pure THC straight into its brain. Matter of note this was many years before science knew how to extract the THC from pot, thus what was in the injection is purely unknown.

Nicotine is highly toxic, can be easily overdosed on and is legal.

Nearly all common prescription drugs are full of side effects many that can result in death and they are all legal.

Asprin which would never even pass FDA approval today can be highly fatal, damages young kids, sends tons of people to the hospital each year, and is entirely for the most part unregulated.

Alcohol which is the number 1 gateway drug, aside from its easy to see side effects that kill others. It can be fatal by overdose, destroys the liver and other organs, yet is legal to all adults.

thats not really an appropriate response.

in this case i guess we are just looking at the type of people in our societies.

as an australian i feel safe to live in a society where the number of murders is minimal. why is america such a fucked up society? why are the crime rates so high?

guns dont kill people. people with guns kill people.

and if u want to look up the stats for violent crimes without guns and compare it against australia then please do so.

Reason pot was made illegal in the first place.

To keep white women away from black jazz players and mexican workers.

The congressional hearing took less than 30 minutes, keep in mind it was also done in the old congress building when there was no AC, no real fans etc. During the middle of summer.

Doctors spoke to keep it legal for medical use. Another scientiest who said he smoked it once to test its effects, told congress that he went insane with lust and madness, grew wings and flew about the room. This was the expert testomony.

Became illegal from then on, with the exception that bird feed suppliers could still use the seeds in their food, since nothing gives feathers such a shine as the seeds from this plant.


The current laws still are used to target minorities. Since marijuana is a class 1 narcotic it has some harsh ones at that. Wonderful fact is the mandatory minimum for a federal pot case is 10 years to life. You get less time if you kill or rape someone.

I assume the 10 years to life is for dealing and not using.

Any federal pot case, from possession to dealing to growing.

Person in texas sitting in jail right now on a 10-life for possession of a single joint.

Another in california for having a medical prescription, busted for growing for himself (not enough for distribution) 10 to life.


Personally beat a federal charge myself for conspiracy when helping with the medical marijuana laws in california, was looking at 10 - life. I never sold any, never possessed enough to sell, this was just because I was organizing patients together to form a co-op that was backed by our local sheriff.

edited for a little detail.

Well...with those kind of penalties...consider me deterred. Is it, or is it not true, that THC can be and is medically prescribed and is it, or is it not true, that THC is the most important, if not the only theraputic ingredient contained in MJ?

Did the California case fall under the three strikes law?

THC is the primary, there are many other secondary. Keep in mind legit medical testing on each compound is not permitted in the US. Scientists are forbidden grants or access to cannabis. Unless they are doing a study to show its harmfull effects. Other studies will not be finished. Check the studies during the Nixon Admin.

No one prescribes THC that is not synthetic. They do prescribe marinol, which is synthetic thc. It is taken orally which does not help those with nausea (they will throw it back up), takes up to an hour to kick in, does not really help much with appetite, and most importantly you can overdose on it and die. Which for shits and giggles if you take one, then throw it up 10 minutes latter you can not take another for risk of the overdose.

Companies are not permitted to extract THC nor distribute it, etc. It is a class 1 narcotic, meaning no medical use. Coke is a class 2.

No it was purely a pot case. The judge has no choice in giving less than 10 years if it is a federal case.

By the way in that case he was not allowed to disclose in court that he had AIDS or had a medical need or prescription, that was dissallowed. Since it supposidly had no bearing on him cultivating it.

<img src=http://www.overmindesign.com/images/drugsarebad.jpg border="1">

Grown legally in California.

And I'm smoking it right now.

GROW.

:glugglug

I think marijuana should be legal as long as there is a form of regulation. There is just to many people in this country that don't want to see that happen. Most of them are ignorant towards the facts, never smoked marijuana, didn't like it if they did happen to try it. I think in a number of given years it will become legal the margine of pro-marijuana/ anti-marijuana people is becoming slimer. Its only a matter of time before pro out-weighs the anti. I can't really see the point in trying to make the united states look like a prision based on this, there is just more people that don't like marijuana in this point in time.