Originally Posted by DWB (Post 23092619)

Hey man! Hope you're well.

Originally Posted by jscott (Post 23092289)

Some people are tight with Tate's and probably have more insight on how they treat people, for example:


@DWB thanks for sharing your experiences with them and your opinion on them.

I'm sure everyone agrees they were foolish for saying many things they said in interviews and videos. But also remember, nothing they said has broke any laws. And if somebody believes they broke any laws there is a need of evidence, and seems like there is none.

One more thing, you mentioned: "bragging about being with underage girls", where have they done this, article, video, link please?

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 23092618)

Maybe.

They could also be setting an example. No idea what they are cooking up.

I've read a few things about Romania being under immense international pressure to clean up trafficking in their country.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 23092616)

i miss you

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 23093014)

Ouch. Turns out when they raided his home and took all of his devices, they also got his wallet and just seized 300k worth of crypto according to what's breaking in Romania now.

This is why their investigation process is long, there's a lot to unravel in some of these cases. Especially when you're dealing with people who have many sources of income, many alleged victims, and globe trot.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 23092257)

I've met Andrew and Tristan both a few times. We have a mutual friend in the cam business.

In person, both of them have been very kind to me and direct. We talk about the industry, cam studios, traveling, etc. There were a few comments about women that took me off guard, but nothing compared to what I've seen in his videos. Nothing even remotely close to that. Also nothing that made me believe they forced women to work. More on this later.

Making all of those videos was the dumbest possible thing they could have ever done, especially Andrew. Not the motivational ones, those are fine, but the ones against women or bragging about being with underage girls, taking their virginity, etc. Holy fuck that was vile and stupid. I honestly can't believe he would say such terrible things on video and none of it was necessary. They could have stuck with basic motivation videos and been fine.

Do I believe they are guilty?
Yes, I do. Here's why. One thing I noticed about them in person, as nice as they were to me, is that are operating from a different place mentally. They look at things through a different lens. The impression I got from them is that the law doesn't apply to them. Some things they said made it sound like they were above law enforcement in every country simply because they are rich and "know people." They lean HEAVILY on their network. That being said, I believe they didn't necessarily know they were breaking some laws, but absolutely broke them. There are countless people in prison for breaking laws they didn't know they were breaking.

Human trafficking? Yea. Guilty. Andrew's method if making a woman fall in love with him, move to Romania, and then get her to work on cam, is by definition the lover boy method of human trafficking. Andrew himself is on video bragging about how he did exactly this more than once. Did he know it was illegal? Probably not. But he still did it.

Trafficking doesn't have to mean you kidnapped someone. The method he has admitted to and the police mentioned is the lover boy method. He's guilty as fuck on this, even if he didn't realize it at the time.

What about money laundering? If he gets nailed on anything, it will be this. They did talk about how they handled money, crypto, etc. They are big on crypto. Well, at least they were when we met. Then add casinos to the mix. He bragged to us how he'll never pay taxes to the West and it was impossible to catch him. I remember this vividly because I knew he was wrong. I didn't debate it with him, I just let him talk. He was interesting to listen to so that's what I did most of the time.

Organized crime? Given his self admitted connections to the Romania mafia and how they operated schemes out of his War Room, I'm going to go with guilty here as well. Not in an Al Capone kind of way, but in a sloppy guy with bad advice who didn't understand what he was setting up kind of way.

Rape? Can't say. That's difficult to prove either way. I do know he doesn't need to do that to get a woman, but it's about power and control for him, so who knows. My guess is this won't stick.

This hasn't been said yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if they toss tax evasion into the mix. That might happen there, or in one of his home countries. Probably a slam dunk that will go hand and hand with money laundering.

The women who are claiming they are not victims are a red herring. There are still multiple women who claim otherwise but all everyone is talking about are the couple who say they are not. It also moves the conversation away from money laundering and organized crime. The Tate's have said many times on camera that they are master manipulators. Andrew loves to play chess and looks at life like a giant chess board. Controlling the narrative is what he likes to do, and what he's doing now. His War Room bros are involved in a lot of this (social media narrative control) from what I understand.

These are very serious crimes and if found guilty, they are going to prison for quite some time. They could also plead guilty instead of going to trial for a reduced prison vacation. I'd bet this is what they will do because there won't be any shortage of evidence once they go to trial. A few years is better than 20. The prosecutor will want a conviction either way and will probably get one.

I think they are two guys who came from nothing and got caught up in their own fame and circumstance and they let it erode their morals and judgement. Money and fame can do that to people. As some of you know, money will only amplify what and who you really are.

Justice will run its course here. The entire world is watching this case so it's unlikely Romania will pull any nonsense. From everything I've looked at, they are following the letter of their law so far, even with the detainment. What's happening seems unjust to many people, but that's how they do things there. They can be held for 180 days maximum while the investigation finishes. Then they will file official charges and set a trial date. The judges are 75% women, which isn't good for them. There is no jury. The prosecutor only has to provide enough evidence to convince the judges of their guilt. Andrew chose Romania for it's high level of corruption but never thought in a million years it would backfire on him. This goes back to what I said about believing they were above the law. They really believe that shit.

They have now hired a hot shot US attorney. Surprisingly, a female. From what I understand, she can not speak in court in Romania and can only meet with them, not practice. This makes me wonder if the USA is cooking up charges as well. Very possible all things considered. There are some laws that will follow US citizens beyond the borders of the USA.

Those of you who know me know that I've been around a bit, made porn in many sketchy countries, been arrested, bribed foreign police, and so on. I've been there and done that abroad when it comes to the adult business. I have a pretty good insight on how some of this works. One thing I've learned through all of that, is that people who get this much stacked against them are in for a VERY rough ride. The time to bribe their way out of this is long gone. I also know that none of these nations are going to take any pity whatsoever on someone found guilty of human trafficking. Neither will his cell mates in prison. There are some things you just don't do, and that's one of them, even if it's by mistake.


TL;DR - I've met them. Know a little about their operations. I believe they are in for a world of hurt, even if some of their crimes were committed accidentally.


Cheers!

Originally Posted by CaligulaDrusilla (Post 23241150)

How much money did they actually make from the cam business? Did they do anything different to make so much as they've claimed? And also when was this since I've seen conflicting dates regarding when it was setup.

Originally Posted by Huggles (Post 23241153)

The Tate brothers are 100% connected to the feds. They are artificially astroturfed.

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 23241299)

What makes you think that? I assumed they were just personally good at astroturf, but it would explain why they are so oddly popular a conversation topic and seem like sort of a cartoon of the type of guys they are supposed to be sometimes and other times seem very cogent and intelligent.

I find Andrew Tate surprisingly not sexy at all, given his alleged management style. But maybe he smells fantastic and it's all real.

Originally Posted by Huggles (Post 23241348)

The entire "manosphere" from 2009+ on had all of these controlled opposition grifters working in unison and people who called them out got banned while their messages got amplified. There is this topic called "the red pill" that is the same rehashed crap since pickup artistry since the early 2000's that leads men astray

Sure, some methods of pickup artistry "work", but that is due to gregarious men ALWAYS attracting women, but the actual "red pill" content these guys are pushing are all about scams and fake shit, which is exactly the stew that the Tates are immersed in. Webcam scams, online marketing scams, scams on top of scams.

Someone like myself who was much cooler organically and had discussed how dating had changed massively due to corporations and government pushing female domination and male passivity, funneling people away from 3rd places, away from organic culture, and into the controlled environment of online dating, tinder, and a culture that was spread top-down via celebrities and social media, these are the comments that are banned, as they were non-corporate friendly.

Read between the lines, the Tates are 100% controlled opposition similar to how Alex Jones is allowed to spread half-truths and enough "dissident" material that there is a semblance of truth to them, but they're designed to be endless red herrings to keep you listening to these people. Any actual dissidents are just banned and not allowed to speak, like me, I'm 100% banned pretty much everywhere online for saying less offensive things, while people like the Tates that openly admitted to scamming people out of fortunes are given platforms, oh, and, of course, Tate can criticize the "vaccine" while my accounts were all nuked for the exact same thing.

100% controlled opposition.

Originally Posted by jscott (Post 23241604)

I disagree on him being controlled opposition. I do believe he could strengthen his character and words if he quit his current money making gigs, the University thing, the cams things, etc. Many people hate him for those things alone and he could be taken more seriously without those anchors weighing him down.

Originally Posted by Huggles (Post 23241348)

Any actual dissidents are just banned and not allowed to speak, like me, I'm 100% banned pretty much everywhere online for saying less offensive things,

Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 23241668)

Same here. Just pointing out a flaw in logic, said in a very polite way to encourage discussion, got me banned. Both in right wing dominated environments (15 years ago) and left wing (more recently).

It's obvious when a narrative is put on a pedestal and what everyone is supposed to do is worship it. Those who don't are sent away to be hanged.

Everyone voraciously pretends they are being rational when in reality they are being emotional.

Originally Posted by Huggles (Post 23241679)

The Twitter Files pointed out how accounts had been shadowbanned .

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 23241299)

What makes you think that? I assumed they were just personally good at astroturf, but it would explain why they are so oddly popular a conversation topic and seem like sort of a cartoon of the type of guys they are supposed to be sometimes and other times seem very cogent and intelligent.

I find Andrew Tate surprisingly not sexy at all, given his alleged management style. But maybe he smells fantastic and it's all real.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 23241856)

Don't feed the trolls.

Originally Posted by PornoStar69 (Post 23242494)

Both brothers have been arrested.

Looks like they pointed out Jon Cena's ritual the UK powers that be got triggered.

Originally Posted by mrmarlowe (Post 23245001)

I can't tell you how much I hate Andrew Tate. I'm hoping he gets a lengthy prison sentence.

Originally Posted by mrmarlowe (Post 23245001)

I can't tell you how much I hate Andrew Tate. I'm hoping he gets a lengthy prison sentence.