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CaptainHowdy 02-17-2024 08:22 PM

Don't sweat it, man . . .

Christianx 02-20-2024 06:36 AM

In my opinion, the irony here is that the OP doesn't want to give out his ID and/or address while making money off people who have to not only give their ID and personal information, but also show their faces in a porno.

mopek1 02-20-2024 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Christianx (Post 23235275)
In my opinion, the irony here is that the OP doesn't want to give out his ID and/or address while making money off people who have to not only give their ID and personal information, but also show their faces in a porno.

I'm sure porn actors and actresses don't want to give their personal info either.

SpicyM 02-20-2024 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 23235276)
I'm sure porn actors and actresses don't want to give their personal info either.

But they have to. Model releases contain their personal data, their IDs are captured and their pictures/videos are personal info as well. Every single piece of content where the model can be identified = personal data. :upsidedow

The Porn Nerd 02-20-2024 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christianx (Post 23235275)
In my opinion, the irony here is that the OP doesn't want to give out his ID and/or address while making money off people who have to not only give their ID and personal information, but also show their faces in a porno.

Please don't bring logic or irony into this discussion. :1orglaugh

mopek1 02-20-2024 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 23235329)
Please don't bring logic or irony into this discussion. :1orglaugh

That statement you quoted isn't logical.

2 parties partake in a shared industry, but that doesn't mean both have to be subject to the same standards. It wouldn't be logical to. The standards for each party are dependent upon the role they play in the industry, and many other factors.

A porn actress must provide documentation to ensure she is not a minor, thus making sure there is no child exploitation occurring, a serious crime.

An affiliate promoting the (above) over-18 actress doesn't expose the industry to the same risk as she does, therefore his requirements are not the same.

That is one example of nuance in industry relationships and partners, and there are many others.

The Porn Nerd 02-20-2024 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 23235337)
That statement you quoted isn't logical.

2 parties partake in a shared industry, but that doesn't mean both have to be subject to the same standards. It wouldn't be logical to. The standards for each party are dependent upon the role they play in the industry, and many other factors.

A porn actress must provide documentation to ensure she is not a minor, thus making sure there is no child exploitation occurring, a serious crime.

An affiliate promoting the (above) over-18 actress doesn't expose the industry to the same risk as she does, therefore his requirements are not the same.

That is one example of nuance in industry relationships and partners, and there are many others.

"Nuance" or not - different roles or not - there are some exact corollaries. Such as: identity. That's a basic one. If a porn actress, program owner, affiliate, or customer cannot provide proof of identity it is fraud, end of story.

Here is what I learned long, long ago: instead of trying to beat a system by being a rebel and NOT having basic life stuff together (driver's license, bank account, SSN# etc) is foolish and only hurts you. Instead, decide if you want to play in that system and, if so, then do the dance and provide the info. If not, like the OP has decided apparently, then simply do not play in that system. Bitching about it is a waste of time. Trying to change the system? It can be done but requires a fuck lot more work than posting on an Industry board. :)

mopek1 02-20-2024 01:06 PM

I like you Porn Nerd and am not trying to get into anything with you personally. But most of the arguments here on gfy (and on other boards/media) are political, even if they don't seem to be.

It's individualism vs collectivism. Or Freedom vs Marxism, played out in these threads.

Most of the statements you (and the people that support your position) made above are Marxist philosophy statements. Conformism, group, appealing to authority etc...


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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 23235387)
end of story.

People use that a lot to end an argument because they have no more valid points and don't want to hear any. The left does that a lot lately on social media (the right is just as bad).


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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 23235387)
... instead of trying to beat a system by being a rebel

Rebel = individualism, someone trying to wiggle free from the tyranny that can be authority. Look at any Star Wars movie/series. Yes rebels can be angry teenagers but even they are rebelling for good reason, to learn to push away from authority and form their own identity. Of course rebelling can be done improperly.

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 23235387)
... decide if you want to play in that system and, if so, then do the dance and provide the info.

Be part of a "system" and conform. Very collectivist way of thinking. No questions, no analyzing, just submit.

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 23235387)
If not, like the OP has decided apparently, then simply do not play in that system.

"System" again. And by the way. There was a system already that the Op was okay with. Then it suddenly changed (companies requiring documents they never have before). So by your definition, the system is really whatever authority wants it to be, whenever they want it to be. Do what they say when they say it. That's tyranny and I'm not good with that at all.

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 23235387)
Trying to change the system? It can be done but requires a fuck lot more work than posting on an Industry board. :)

Again, OP isn't trying to change the system. He accepted the system and played by the rules. The system changed on him first.

If you let government (left or right) take an inch, and then another, and then another, before you know it your rights are gone. We are far from that yet but the system is getting bigger and people are noticing and not happy with the direction it's taking.

For FS you can't bring nail clippers on airplanes anymore because some right-wing government changed the system waaay too much after 9/11. They could have made a few small changes but instead went all out, grabbing power in many more ways than necessary, including surveillance.

I like the middle road. Some basic rules, taxes and laws etc... but what's happening more and more is concerning.

The 2 cultures in the USA are splitting up. Some states will be freedom (less government) oriented and some will be more Marxist/Collectivist oriented.

Almost all of our arguments online come from that culture war.

The Porn Nerd 02-20-2024 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 23235402)
I like you Porn Nerd and am not trying to get into anything with you personally. But most of the arguments here on gfy (and on other boards/media) are political, even if they don't seem to be.

It's individualism vs collectivism. Or Freedom vs Marxism, played out in these threads.

Most of the statements you (and the people that support your position) made above are Marxist philosophy statements. Conformism, group, appealing to authority etc...




People use that a lot to end an argument because they have no more valid points and don't want to hear any. The left does that a lot lately on social media (the right is just as bad).




Rebel = individualism, someone trying to wiggle free from the tyranny that can be authority. Look at any Star Wars movie/series. Yes rebels can be angry teenagers but even they are rebelling for good reason, to learn to push away from authority and form their own identity. Of course rebelling can be done improperly.



Be part of a "system" and conform. Very collectivist way of thinking. No questions, no analyzing, just submit.



"System" again. And by the way. There was a system already that the Op was okay with. Then it suddenly changed (companies requiring documents they never have before). So by your definition, the system is really whatever authority wants it to be, whenever they want it to be. Do what they say when they say it. That's tyranny and I'm not good with that at all.



Again, OP isn't trying to change the system. He accepted the system and played by the rules. The system changed on him first.

If you let government (left or right) take an inch, and then another, and then another, before you know it your rights are gone. We are far from that yet but the system is getting bigger and people are noticing and not happy with the direction it's taking.

For FS you can't bring nail clippers on airplanes anymore because some right-wing government changed the system waaay too much after 9/11. They could have made a few small changes but instead went all out, grabbing power in many more ways than necessary, including surveillance.

I like the middle road. Some basic rules, taxes and laws etc... but what's happening more and more is concerning.

The 2 cultures in the USA are splitting up. Some states will be freedom (less government) oriented and some will be more Marxist/Collectivist oriented.

Almost all of our arguments online come from that culture war.

Yes most things are political but I am a practical man. In other words: I want to get PAID. So if the system changes once again you have the choice to remain in that system or leave it (or try to change it).

CCBill is not a Government. It is a private company. If they have Rules and Regulations in place to process with them, or become an affiliate, then the three choices remain (play ball, leave or try to change the Rules). But I do not see a major issue with showing an ID and verifying your address. This leaves me with the conclusion that the OP is unable to comply, not merely unwilling. There can be many non-nefarious reasons for this, I am not accusing the OP of anything. But if all they want is an ID and a utility bill....seems pretty basic to me.

xxxuniversity 02-20-2024 06:18 PM

Yes....
 
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Originally Posted by Christianx (Post 23235275)
In my opinion, the irony here is that the OP doesn't want to give out his ID and/or address while making money off people who have to not only give their ID and personal information, but also show their faces in a porno.

Not sure where the nexus comes from. For one, I've already provided my information to join the affiliate program. It's a 20 year old affiliate account. I did provide an address.

The biggest irony is that the companies on the front line in the war on "money laundering" can't even properly identify what is and isn't money laundering. So, even if you are the most pro big government, pro war on money laundering person there is, how can you like the idea that companies like CCBill can't even recognize what is or isn't money laundering?

xxxuniversity 02-20-2024 06:18 PM

2257 Statutes
 
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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 23235276)
I'm sure porn actors and actresses don't want to give their personal info either.

2257 statutes should be jettisoned.

xxxuniversity 02-20-2024 06:22 PM

The real irony....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Christianx (Post 23235275)
In my opinion, the irony here is that the OP doesn't want to give out his ID and/or address while making money off people who have to not only give their ID and personal information, but also show their faces in a porno.

I'd say the biggest irony is that the companies on the front line in the war on "money laundering" can't even properly identify what is and isn't money laundering. So, even if you are the most pro big government, pro war on money laundering person there is, how can you like the idea that companies like CCBill can't even recognize what is or isn't money laundering?

xxxuniversity 02-21-2024 08:11 AM

One other thing...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Christianx (Post 23235275)
In my opinion, the irony here is that the OP doesn't want to give out his ID and/or address while making money off people who have to not only give their ID and personal information, but also show their faces in a porno.

Not only is there no nexus between IDing actors/actresses and this (FYI, I'm all for jettisoning 2257 laws), and not only do you miss the real irony being companies that have been conscripted by government to wage a war on "money laundering" not even being able to properly identity what is or isn't money laundering, but you write "while making money off people who...." First, if being an affiliate were my day job, I'd be starving. So I can't say I've made any substantial amount. It seems that many affiliate programs want to cut off webmasters as soon the webmaster actually begins to generate traffic. But that's a different story. Speaking of making money, though. You don't think CCBill is making money off actors and actresses? And I've documented where they are explicitly withholding affiliate commissions over some BS rule. Funny that doesn't upset you and you don't talk about these payment processing companies making money off porn actors and actresses! Why don't al the people who work at these payment processing companies have to show me their passports?

Furthermore, even if I had made a substantial sum of money from being an affiliate, that isn't exactly making money "off of" porn actors and actresses, as if the affiliate webmaster is exploiting porn actors and actresses in some way. As Robbie pointed out, affiliates are industry PARTNERS. Affiliates help promote and generate interest in and traffic for the entertainers. Instead of looking at it like affiliate webmasters make money off of adult entertainers, look at it like affiliate webmasters are helping the entertainers make money by promoting them!

That's kind of an elitist attitude to have toward people who help YOU make money!

czarina 02-22-2024 07:29 AM

There's something called KYC which makes it mandatory for all credit card processors and payment facilitators to err... Know Their Customers. I dont think you'll win this one

LouiseLloyd 02-22-2024 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by czarina (Post 23236053)
There's something called KYC which makes it mandatory for all credit card processors and payment facilitators to err... Know Their Customers. I dont think you'll win this one

But not Know Your Affiliates. Sponsors are the customers of affiliates.

SpicyM 02-22-2024 09:12 AM

Xvideos, the most visited porn site in the world, now requires verification for every single model appearing in a porn scene uploaded to them. They ask for model releases and IDs. They have all the personal data you can think of including their intimate videos, phone numbers and home addresses - go check out how many site owners provide this sensitive data to those shitbags in order to get their shitty traffic, then ask yourself the question if the guys from Ccbill asking for verification of their affiliates (= their business partners) are really the bad ones in this industry. :2 cents:

CaptainHowdy 02-22-2024 10:02 AM

Make a fentanyl bum pass as the president of your company, man . . .

pxi776 02-27-2024 09:16 PM

it's 2024 and people are still using ccbill? I used ccbil many years ago and they have a terrible website interface. It's slow and full of bugs.
come on. Use bitcoin

AmeliaG 02-29-2024 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxi776 (Post 23237947)
it's 2024 and people are still using ccbill? I used ccbil many years ago and they have a terrible website interface. It's slow and full of bugs.
come on. Use bitcoin

I am a fan of crypto, but customers like a CCBill join page.

fuzebox 02-29-2024 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxi776 (Post 23237947)
come on. Use bitcoin

Run your adult paysite business accepting only bitcoin and tell us how much you make :1orglaugh

The Porn Nerd 02-29-2024 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 23238604)
Run your adult paysite business accepting only bitcoin and tell us how much you make :1orglaugh

He'll make......a bit..... of coin. (See what I did there?)

Around $0.63.
Whoops now it's down to $0.52 sorry.

:1orglaugh

FreeOnes 03-09-2024 01:11 AM

Summary of the thread:

Stop accepting the KYC bullshit and other nonsense laws of all these idiotic politicians.

Look Chang 03-12-2024 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeOnes (Post 23241316)
Summary of the thread:

Stop accepting the KYC bullshit and other nonsense laws of all these idiotic politicians.

And live alone on a desert island with no connection to the civilized world . . . :stoned

Captcha 03-12-2024 01:38 AM

CCbill is trash, they are holding my 3k+ because they want to sent it via check or I must have a checking account at a US bank in order to receive it as they have stopped sending wires outside Europe and USA

2024 and they want to work as fucking dinosaurs


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