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Retiree 07-01-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 23279611)
More blood into the muscle, more nutrients. The fascia tissue gets stretched, and stresses the muscle fiber more which is required for hypertrophy.

What nutrients would go into the muscle during the workout? Even the "right after workout" meal is a myth...it doesn't matter when we get the nutrients, only the amount...it takes a long time to convert protein from meals into body muscle.

But I know it feels good to be pumped up. :winkwink:

It can be done using heavy weights for few reps, too...and that actually builds muscle.

Paul 07-01-2024 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiree (Post 23279502)
Longer fasting, meaning days, lowers testosterone during that fast...but when the fast ends, testosterone levels go way higher than they were before, for weeks. Army was doing testing on soldiers...they were starving them for 1-2 weeks, making them exercise for hours each day and their testosterone levels dropped by 50% or more...but then they switched their diet, they were getting more calories and protein, less exercise, and their testosterone levels spike to 2-4x what they were before. Then they were gaining crazy muscle for 2-4 weeks until it slowed down again.

I tested it and it works like a charm...2-3 weeks after I finished a 3 day fast, I hit my PRs in almost every exercise.

I did not know that, very interesting! :thumbsup

I'm about to start water fasting again, so I'll have to try this for myself

Major (Tom) 07-01-2024 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiree (Post 23279683)
What nutrients would go into the muscle during the workout? Even the "right after workout" meal is a myth...it doesn't matter when we get the nutrients, only the amount...it takes a long time to convert protein from meals into body muscle.

But I know it feels good to be pumped up. :winkwink:

It can be done using heavy weights for few reps, too...and that actually builds muscle.

Glycogen.
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Retiree 07-01-2024 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 23279797)
Glycogen.
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Glycogen is energy for the workout, sugar stored in the body for when the body needs it.

But since I have been on keto many times, with glycogen levels completely depleted, I realized body doesn't even need it, it can survive even better on fats as energy source.

Major (Tom) 07-01-2024 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiree (Post 23279817)
Glycogen is energy for the workout, sugar stored in the body for when the body needs it.

But since I have been on keto many times, with glycogen levels completely depleted, I realized body doesn't even need it, it can survive even better on fats as energy source.

Look up how many grams of water is attached to glyogen. During bulking, i add a medium carb shake 45 mins before and high carb after. Then a big ass lean cut of meat from the grill

Major (Tom) 07-01-2024 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiree (Post 23279817)
Glycogen is energy for the workout, sugar stored in the body for when the body needs it.

But since I have been on keto many times, with glycogen levels completely depleted, I realized body doesn't even need it, it can survive even better on fats as energy source.

You eont get as full on keto. Keto isnt realistic

Paul 07-02-2024 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 23279822)
You eont get as full on keto. Keto isnt realistic

Have you tried doing keto?

If not, give it a try for a few weeks. You'll be able to workout for longer after a few weeks in ketosis, you'll have a lot more energy

TheLegacy 07-02-2024 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Retiree (Post 23279608)
Pump has nothing to do with growth, like literally nothing. I can pump muscles with an empty barbell and that will grow zero muscles. Its surely better than doing nothing...but not for muscle growth.


Am I missing something by your comment?



Research shows that a single set of 12 to 15 repetitions with the proper weight can build muscle efficiently in most people and can be as effective as three sets of the same exercise.

As long as you take the muscle you are working to fatigue — meaning you can't lift another repetition — you are doing the work necessary to make the muscle stronger. And fatiguing at a higher number of repetitions means you likely are using a lighter weight, which will make it easier for you to control and maintain correct form.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/fitness/in-depth/strength-training/art-20046670#:~:text=Research%20shows%20that%20a%20sin gle,sets%20of%20the%20same%20exercise.


Weight training for 20 to 30 minutes, 2 to 3 times a week is enough to see results. You should try to target all your major muscle groups at least twice throughout your weekly workouts. While you may not see results right away, even a single strength training session can help promote muscle growth.

https://www.healthline.com/health/how-long-does-it-take-to-build-muscle#:~:text=Weight%20training%20for%2020%20to,c an%20help%20promote%20muscle%20growth.

Retiree 07-02-2024 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 23279822)
You eont get as full on keto. Keto isnt realistic

I gain muscle during keto...and strength, too. During keto, testosteron and growth hormone are much higher than during regular diet...and the rest is all about calories...I don't use keto to lose weight anymore, so I don't eat less calories, might even eat more during keto. So the gains are much better and leaner than during regular carb diets.

Retiree 07-02-2024 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLegacy (Post 23279910)
Am I missing something by your comment?



Research shows that a single set of 12 to 15 repetitions with the proper weight can build muscle efficiently in most people and can be as effective as three sets of the same exercise.

As long as you take the muscle you are working to fatigue — meaning you can't lift another repetition — you are doing the work necessary to make the muscle stronger. And fatiguing at a higher number of repetitions means you likely are using a lighter weight, which will make it easier for you to control and maintain correct form.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/fitness/in-depth/strength-training/art-20046670#:~:text=Research%20shows%20that%20a%20sin gle,sets%20of%20the%20same%20exercise.


Weight training for 20 to 30 minutes, 2 to 3 times a week is enough to see results. You should try to target all your major muscle groups at least twice throughout your weekly workouts. While you may not see results right away, even a single strength training session can help promote muscle growth.

https://www.healthline.com/health/how-long-does-it-take-to-build-muscle#:~:text=Weight%20training%20for%2020%20to,c an%20help%20promote%20muscle%20growth.

Research is mostly useless for this stuff...they mostly pick people who never trained before or people who train a little and have no idea what they are doing...so they can easily gain some small amount of muscle doing whatever...even 15 reps. But if someone works out for over a year, those things become useless and muscles will need much more stimulus than that.

Bodybuilders are doing videos how they do 12 or more reps and people think thats the way to go, but they don't show the amount of drugs they take along with that. For most normal people, doing regular diets, who train 3-6 times per week, small amount of reps is the best. Old school pyramid was working 50 years ago and is still working now...increase weight with each set, until only 1-2 reps are possible. Easy and effective.

TheLegacy 07-02-2024 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Retiree (Post 23279939)
Research is mostly useless for this stuff...they mostly pick people who never trained before or people who train a little and have no idea what they are doing...so they can easily gain some small amount of muscle doing whatever...even 15 reps. But if someone works out for over a year, those things become useless and muscles will need much more stimulus than that.

Bodybuilders are doing videos how they do 12 or more reps and people think thats the way to go, but they don't show the amount of drugs they take along with that. For most normal people, doing regular diets, who train 3-6 times per week, small amount of reps is the best. Old school pyramid was working 50 years ago and is still working now...increase weight with each set, until only 1-2 reps are possible. Easy and effective.


I'm not sure where you get your research or whether it's just an opinion (which I think is the case) - as said before my son is doing it and there is noticeable growth and shaping of his upper body. I'm not sure why suddenly this is now in question but I guess that's the way people today think - don't trust science - don't trust anything and there is always a catch. That all being said - my son doesn't do drugs nor others that I know who do the same - it's natural and works.

sarettah 07-02-2024 09:39 AM

fiddy muscleheads merrily muscling

Major (Tom) 07-02-2024 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 23279871)
Have you tried doing keto?

If not, give it a try for a few weeks. You'll be able to workout for longer after a few weeks in ketosis, you'll have a lot more energy

Yup. I had also gone a week without eating anything when I was full keto. I did keto for 2 years

Paul 07-02-2024 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 23280002)
Yup. I had also gone a week without eating anything when I was full keto. I did keto for 2 years

Fair play :thumbsup

I've done about 10 years on and off keto, I can do it for 3/6 months max. I wish I could do keto constantly but I don't have the discipline and after 6 months I want some carbs in my diet

I think it's like everything, it's about finding what works best for you and your body

I always find it strange when different tribes online start arguing amongst themselves, keto vs carnivor diet vegan vs vegetarian etc

I mean for fuck sake, anyone interested in prolonging their health and self improvement are in the minority and basically on the same page/have the same goals

Major (Tom) 07-02-2024 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 23280013)
Fair play :thumbsup

I've done about 10 years on and off keto, I can do it for 3/6 months max. I wish I could do keto constantly but I don't have the discipline and after 6 months I want some carbs in my diet

I think it's like everything, it's about finding what works best for you and your body

I always find it strange when different tribes online start arguing amongst themselves, keto vs carnivor diet vegan vs vegetarian etc

I mean for fuck sake, anyone interested in prolonging their health and self improvement are in the minority and basically on the same page/have the same goals

Ever since keto, I realized carbs don’t provide the energy claimed. I try to keep carbs to only breakfast and pre workout if bulking

Paul 07-02-2024 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 23280021)
Ever since keto, I realized carbs don’t provide the energy claimed. I try to keep carbs to only breakfast and pre workout if bulking

Yep it spikes blood sugar too much

Humans are not built for eating lots of sugar & refined carbs all day every day

Retiree 07-02-2024 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegacy (Post 23279949)
I'm not sure where you get your research or whether it's just an opinion (which I think is the case) - as said before my son is doing it and there is noticeable growth and shaping of his upper body. I'm not sure why suddenly this is now in question but I guess that's the way people today think - don't trust science - don't trust anything and there is always a catch. That all being said - my son doesn't do drugs nor others that I know who do the same - it's natural and works.

Man, a research where they follow a few people with different training experiences and different lifestyles IS NOT science. Or did they study identical human beings locked up in a lab, doing exactly the same every day, except the training they did, the number of reps?

I gave you stats from a proper study...done in the army...where all the people can be easily controlled as they all live together, they do the same training, they eat the same food and they were measured every day, all their hormone levels. Those are numbers that can actually tell us something...like a proper scientific experiment.

Your son, if he is between 15-25 years old can grow muscle just from looking at a barbell, thats how high his testosterone levels are. :1orglaugh

Major (Tom) 07-02-2024 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 23279954)
fiddy muscleheads merrily muscling

Lol
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Major (Tom) 07-02-2024 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 23280029)
Yep it spikes blood sugar too much

Humans are not built for eating lots of sugar & refined carbs all day every day

Yup for sure.


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