i worked in that field...never again! i would much rather work for myself then ever deal with bullshit office politics and ass kissing again. working for yourself is so much more rewarding cause you are the only person who can propel yourself or cause yourself to fail.

Joe, this type of question is never cut and dried so easily. There are a ton of factors that have to be weighed and considered in every situation. The best advice in here so far is to take all the pros and cons of any particular situation, and weigh it out. And then of course, whichever way the scale falls, you ultimately gotta decide if you can be happy with the decision you make. Regardless of what you choose, if you're not going to be happy with your choice, then it's a bad choice.

Regards,

Amp

Not many people here been in business and had to do budgetting and accounts. Think about it.

If the guy is only making $40k a year working for himself how is an employer going to offer him $60k?

He has to first make his $60k, then enough to cover his company benefits, then his costs to the company (Phone electricity, equipment, etc. Then the companies profit. The guy will have to be generating around $180 in profits for his new employer.

Plus working for himself he works when ever he can and not 9 to 5, his new boss will know this and take it into consideration.

The only way this happens is if the guy is in an industry that the small man cannot work in, or the big company can offer him so much more facilities to utilise his talents better.

However anyone want me and Eva we're looking at offers. But don't think about anything around the $60k mark unless you are thinking a month. :1orglaugh

I think the only way I would take a job with a big company rather than working for myself would be if they offered a great benefits package but other than that no way! You lose the freedom you have when you work for yourself and the benefits of making your own money and not having to kiss someone else's ass for a rotten paycheck, shitty hours and being your boss's slave. :BangBang:

its all about money. you bring in the coin, people kiss your ass.

given access to better resources the employee could generate more revenue than he is now...

im not into that whole ass kissing thing in any situation! whether it be ib or the adult biz. i dont play games and i expect the same which is why i left the industry and i am all the better for it. there is money to be made but everything started really changing in 89-90 and with change came everything else that i wont bore you with :)

congrats :glugglug

and to answer the question: hell no...

The differance between 40k and 60k is a pretty big one. If a company offered me 50% more than what I'm making as president of my own company, I'd jump all over it. Money's money, that's a pretty big fucking raise. Too much cash to pass up.

think about how much your take home will be after taxes and benefits are taken out of your check.....

I did it.

only dead

I said that, but this is an industry which favours the small man.

If a guy can, shoot or design or drive traffic he might as well do it for himself and set himself up like we have. Rather than go and work for someone else.

But I believe money is not the real reason people work for themselves, especially in the beginning. It's the freedom, responsibility and the feeling of it being "your baby"

being small can limit what you can do...

I assumed we were talking take home money.

:glugglug

So can working for someone else.

I shoot a great set, I make more money, Eva shoots a great set Eva makes more money. Jana or Katka shoot a great set, me and Eva make more money. :) :)

Plus we have the other benefits.

well if you're making more working for someone else, you end up making more money

Depends on a lot of factor man..

Who will you work for... what will you do.l. how...

what do you get paid... is it the same thing you'd do? etc..


I lived the very exact thing you said..


I was doing good on my own... a little lazy I should say... but was covering my costs... BUT, I was working alone... home... in my basement..


I decided to take a job here in San Diego with Jason and Alex...

the pay was less at first... BUT, I got to try a whole new way of life/ job...


I was working WITH PEOPLE... not ALONE... that was sort of my wake up call... I'm the laziest mofo if I'm alone working for myself... cuz what happens if I don't do it? nothing, I won't get the money... but if I'm with people and I don't do it, then THEY are in trouble... so I'm a workaholic in a different environment..


ALSO... I was doing some galleries from home... and ALWAYS wanted to do paysites... I felt I could do that.... but never had the balls, the money, or the contacts to do it.. (or so I thought)...

well, going with J&A, I got to do it all..

Now.. I'm 1 1/2 year later.. and I'm still learning the ropes...

I could of been making more by my own.. or less.. who knows... but one thing for sure is no matter what I do in the next months/years, I will have the knowledge/ experience I learned here... and that's valuable... whether I go back on my own, go with some other company, or stay here and make this bitch bigger...

and this for one and only reason that has to do with my character. Even if I have in mind to do something, if someone else tells me do it, I won't do it at all. I know i'm sick mind :(
Money are not related with this. The sure is that if I was working for somone else i would be way more productive than now. Now I plain suck

magnatique, you work with Jason and Alex,it's not a job,it's a pleasure :)

Does making $60 k put you in a new tax bracket?

Is thre job security when you work for another?

Wouldnt you be able to pay someone min wage to do what ur doing and not having to worry?

The goal is to hire someomne smarter tha u so that u can alays have impressive idas for your company. Dont let all the smart people get together and collaborate. Bad business move.

Dont sit on the $40 . Invest in other things than computers and software. Those are liabilities and will depreciate. Buy property.
Put a down pymnt. get a renter. Sell in a year when lease is up. Easy money baby.

Hey everyone I need a job.. Im just over broke. (just kidding)

well, let me tell you... running a whole operation (that you actually have to deal with other people and not just sit back and bombard something with traffic) completely on your own is NOT an easy thing to do. It's a royal pain in the ass. Not only do you do all the work, but you do all the customer service, answer every message, take every order, do all the billing, all the collections, all the follow up stuff, all the chasing, handle all the problems, answer the phones, sweep the floors, and take out the garbage too.

In my case, there were many factors involved in making my decision, but one of the big ones was definately the instantaneous elimination of nearly all of the daily operational headaches.

Did I give up my freedom? The way I see it, I just GOT my freedom. Freedom to do what it is I got into this to do, which is make sites, and not be beaten down by all the necessary operational shit that goes along with it.

Best damn decision I ever made. :)

Regards,

Amp

do you now have someone to kill the spiders for you?

no, I still hafta kill the spiders. :winkwink:

Regards,

Amp

These are the only factors I would consider taking that job with someone else.

Money would have to be pretty sweet for only 40-50 hours work a week. Like $70-$100K

Benefits would have to be sweet too like health, and dental, plus 2-4 weeks paid vacation.

Not saying I'm worth it :) just the only way I'd do it.

Now the only reason I'd take a job that paid much less and demanded more is if my business were to take such a turn that I couldn't see being able to take care of my nieces who now live with me.

Other than that if it were just me fuck it. I could live in a weekly motel room working off of 56K through aol or something if I had to before I would go back to work for someone else.

I got tired of putting in 70+ hours a week making everyone else rich while I was just getting by in a somewhat comfortable way.

I got tired fo those 70+ hours being based upon a salary and if you broke it down I was making less than my assistant managers with more responsibility. When they left the store they went and partied, I went home and had to field phone calls from them, or my supervisor.

So fuck working for the man.

hey, stop describing my work here :)

hehehe

I'd probably do it out of boredom or because I really liked what I was doing more than any financial reason.