And that sir is just people who want a free ride. They'll be bitching about things when they're at the bar and probably not paying for their drinks there, either.

Brad

Full agreement. It's an outdated concept. Affiliates don't drive the business and haven't for over a decade. The amount of "affiliates" I've heard complain about this who also happen to operate their own affilate program with affiliates of their own...

They should charge everyone the same fee to attend, if they aren't selling enough badges then maybe they should lower prices or provide more value?

By the way...we left our affiliate program 6 years ago. So I no longer am part of that.

My paysite runs off of my own social media promoting.

As for being an affiliate...yeah, there ain't nothing left there anymore.

But I still update 10 different free sites by hand and put in my work as an affiliate every day. Also use our social media platforms to promote as an affiliate.

I am as authentic an affiliate as there has ever been.

And yeah...the price is way too high for the value provided.
Hell, last year the entire AVN show was in a fucking perma-tent attached to the side of Resorts World and was about 1/4 the size of the 2001 Internext show.

And the Internext "show" itself was a small partitioned off "room" in the tent with a few couches in it.

Hopefully it's on the rebound this year since they will have the old "The Joint" space again at The Virgin (formerly the Hard Rock).
But no...I guess we won't be going. There's no way that 2 tickets costing a total of $700 is worth that.

What I’m about to say is not a personal attack on you, please keep that in mind. I’m just sharing my experience from attending shows over the past 2 decades.

The topics you listed are for beginners. Any affiliate that can send decent traffic should already know these things as they are very basic skills.

Having said that, I’d like to point out that shows are meant to be networking events between service providers (programs, billers, hosts) and people who can send them sales.

The people financing these shows (service providers) have no interest in dealing with Joe Schmo whom is still learning the basics. They want to meet the people that can actually drive significant amounts of sales.

So if you start catering to newbies, you lose the people who are paying big money to attend. The show organizers business model would fall appart.

Now, having said that, let’s also acknowledge that times have changed. The lion’s share of traffic has been consolidated between a few dozen companies and the odd one-man-army.

Its hard for businesses to justify buying big packages while show organizers are dealing with shrinking profit margins.

Do I have the answer to their problems? No. But I definitely know that encouraging the growth of everybody’s business is the way forward, even if that means paying for tickets that used to be free

I sold my paysite affiliate program over 20 years ago to DeeCash. So I am not a program owner anymore.

All I do is work on traffic, so maybe they should rename it to a "Traffic" badge if they want to attract the traffic suppliers.

TES gives me an "affilate" badge without a problem. I already booked my flights and hotel for TES Seville.

I’m an affiliate, too, but never considered myself one.

Will you be at the round bar?

The "Round bar" near the registration desk in the older part of the casino that was so cool at The Hard Rock doesn't exist anymore at The Virgin.

For some reason...they decided to change everything. There is a main bar on that side still...but it's a different vibe now and sort of off to the side.

I think the big bar in the very back by the doors to the parking lot on Harmon is still there.
And yeah, I'll probably drive over and look around to see if I see anyone during the Internext show.

Last two days of the AVN show I went ahead and got a room there so we can just have some fun without having to drive drunk back to the house. lol

I thought everyone just called it "The Round Bar" ... doesn't have to be a circle. I thought at Internext no matter where it is held they call the meeting place "The Round Bar".

It may have been started by calling it "The Round Bar" at the Venetian. But a few years ago at the World Resort everyone met at the center bar but it was oval.

Yeah...back in "the day" the Casino Resorts all had that one big round bar that was the hub.

But they've stopped that in recent years. Don't know why. I think it's because the Casino's have all changed their strategy from the bars being loss leaders for the gambling into requiring all the casino bars to show a profit.


But anyway...you'll see. It's a different vibe. In my opinion not as conducive to networking as it used to be.

Offering a discounted spouse badge is something I haven’t seen, but would make an awful lot of sense for those of us who travel with them.

Traffic Services, that’s very much a whole category of being a service provider that isn’t affiliate.

Brad

Well they denied me and I think it's pretty funny. Seems like I always get denied the first time around, not sure what about theheron.net screams big baller shot caller and not 1999 affiliate?
Also do models have to pay now?? Or maybe I didn't look enough

I guess they are going to deny everyone. Not sure what's going on with that.

Bro you’re the definition of affiliate. That’s crazy

My guess is they think Traffic Services.

I'm mildly curious to see if I'd get rejected even though I have no plans of going :)
WG

Had to pay $99 for my wife's TES affiliate badge so she could pop in the last day and say hi to a couple of people :uhoh

Everyone just meet at Robbie's house! :)

That's fucked up.

It's 2024 (almost 2025). Everything has changed.

In 2000 I remember going to YP Mexico and meeting someone who claimed they could send us two hundred joins a day. We drank and we laughed and we drank some more and said "That would be great" but never expected to hear from him again. We got back to Phoenix, he signed up, and started sending us two hundred joins a day to a single site (and I still remember which site too). By the end of the month he was sending to all of our sites and it was just insane.

The entire point of shows back then was to find those affiliates. Affiliates also loved the shows because it was the only time they could hang out with models & porn stars and see some titties. But the affiliate game has been over for some time now.

Maybe you should try TES Prague. Its more affiliate oriented. Most of the adult affiliates are now european/russians.

Hopefully they will reconsider.
The handful of sponsors and companies with tables would probably appreciate having someone other than just themselves in attendance.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. When shows come up with comp badges which don't map to who the sponsors are and don't map to who can afford them and have some sort of anonymously juried system, that definitely leads to bad feelings and can really impact the demographics of who is showing up in undesirable ways.

Yes, AVN charges talent, I think maybe mostly to sell badges to booths who will distribute the badges to models, but I do know models who buy badges.

In 2024, talent is likely to make more dough than almost any other role, but I think are disinclined to pay.

For folks thinking round bar, I am so so nostalgic for the round bar at Venetian.

Why did the show stop being at The Venetian?

But I believe AVN did a hotel buyout this year, so you may not be able to be in the hotel at all without a badge.

I've thought over the past few years that charging talent for badges is a HUGE mistake for AVN.

The only reason that fans attend the AEE is to see and meet pornstars. Period.

And so now the last few years...it's mostly been cam girls (since the old school studios are barely left anymore) at the My Free Cams display.

And then the scheduled signings and pic opportunities at the handful of studios left that bring in girls.

Other than that? Nothing.

And the majority (vast majority) of the pornstar girls come in from LA on the night of the AVN awards show. They go to private parties after the show (with no fans) and then go back home the next day.

If AVN really wanted to spark interest in the show again...they should be giving talent free badges. Escpecially talent with huge social media presence.
Hell...these girls should be GIVEN tables at AVN to set up as well.

Few years back Theo and company (who owned it then) sold spots on the floor for models for cheap. We paid $500 for a booth. And they had that one whole section of "The Joint" floor space at The Hard Rock just for all the models.
The fans fucking loved it and the show was packed.

They should get back to that.

We always get SWAMPED outside the show at the bar. The fans are so eager to actually see and meet someone like Claudia Marie that they could talk to for a minute because the show floor is so sparse on girls.

I personally feel like AVN could turn that show around by treating the pornstars like stars and not charge them. Fill that showroom up with porn girls and watch the fans come back and fill that room.

Last years AVN show inside that fucking tent at Resorts World was the low point in my humble opinion.

More great ideas from Robbie!! :thumbsup

Not going this year but I hope y'all have a great time (and do some good business too).

Having the show floor in the tent was not AVN's idea. Resorts World placed us there.

They double booked that weekend with another convention.

This is one of the reasons we are back at Virgin.

There are tens of thousands of Creators now... where do you draw the line as to who gets a free badge and who doesnt?

You started this thread because you were upset that you werent considered an affiliate anymore.

Do you know how many Creators would be upset if they werent considered "worthy" of getting a free badge?

When we had AVNStars we did give free badges to anyone who was a Creator on the platform.

I only go this year when i get free tickets, free flight tickets from BKK, invites to all private parties, free beers and a free hotelroom :)

xBiz gives all creators a free badge, and TES gives all traffic service providers ( affilates ) free badges.

Both great shows for business, and yes, they give me free badges. :thumbsup

Can you get me invites to the private parties?

When was the last time we met up? Medellin 10+ years ago?

What's up with all this "we" stuff Michael?

As for "drawing the line"...well, what does it matter?

We're talking about WOMEN at the show. You know...the actual reason the fans go.

It doesn't cost AVN one penny to give a badge to a model. But that model going on her social media and telling her fans she will be there? That can make the real money (the fans)

Pornlaw works for/with AVN.

Time flies, still good and bad stories about Medellin :pimp

I am in BKK not in LV. I couldn´t find the big parties last year either.
But the circle bar and internext area was a good meeting point.
Think most parties in Vegas are organised by creator sites.

Oh cool! So he's one of their attorneys. He didn't tell me about that. Good for him! Congrats to you Michael!

Yeah... remember we were walking down the street coming from Park Llleras and the police stopped you and extorted you?

Ohhh I thought you were already invited to all the private parties.

If anyone has the invites to the private parties, please let me know.

We are still looking for a location suite for the BP4L bukakee!

Fucking well said :thumbsup:pimp

XBiz LA gave you a free badge?