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mainstreammix 02-27-2025 06:02 AM
50 job openings.

mainstreammix 02-27-2025 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 23350586)
Yeah for sure. I guess I meant that I feel a bit of attitude, or resistance, or game playing going on. It's not so much specificity (which is absolutely crucial with developing anything) as it is some kind of morality that the developers built into the AI, to make it act a certain way or resist certain asks.
I have this thing scraping data and publishing it in ways to make money and it even suggests other ways to monetize. :1orglaugh

CyberHustler 02-27-2025 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 23350569)
I'm still learning how to use AI to write scripts. I sometimes feel like AI knows what I'm trying to accomplish, but pretends it doesn't know unless I spell it out 'exactly', kind of like talking to that guy in high school who pretended not to know what you were talking about and forced you to be super specific, and forced you to eliminate his arguments beforehand until he had no choice but to give you an answer. It's like AI knows you want to profit somehow and doesn't want to help you.

That's just the feeling I get. I have gotten scripts from it but again, being new, I have little idea what people are doing with them. That's where I'm still blind and trying to "see".
Prompting is an art. A developing art, still in its infancy. No matter what AI you use, you gotta have a firm grip on words to successfully prompt and be intelligent enough to put your own spin on it.

There's no one way to do it, but there's no way around it. Gotta learn it and develop your style. That is the key that will be determining "adapt or die" for a while. If you have barriers, plan on adding a "promptsmith" to your budget.

Have patience and practice. It's one of those things where once you start seeing what works, the ideas start just flowing and magic happens... fast.

Also, different AI communities on Reddit and such have some very nice members that will give you "prompting frameworks" to play with.

My own children have blew my mind the past year. They learned to prompt, created entire games on Roblox with AI help and I had no idea how much fucking money they actually made until I had to step in to take care of the DevEx requests because they're under 13.

mopek1 02-27-2025 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 23350641)

Have patience and practice.
Yeah, I figure I need to really become friends with chatgpt and the others. Right now I'm still tinkering.

Also, different AI communities on Reddit and such have some very nice members that will give you "prompting frameworks" to play with.

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 23350641)
My own children have blew my mind the past year. .... I had no idea how much fucking money they actually made until I had to step in to take care of the DevEx requests because they're under 13.
That is so awesome. They will be rich at 18. But also be able to navigate a way to make a living and choose their own life. Good for them.

mainstreammix 02-27-2025 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 23350641)
My own children have blew my mind the past year. They learned to prompt, created entire games on Roblox with AI help and I had no idea how much fucking money they actually made until I had to step in to take care of the DevEx requests because they're under 13.
Tried to talk mine into making a Roblox game. :1orglaugh

Mr Pheer 02-27-2025 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mainstreammix (Post 23350598)
50 job openings.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

fris 02-28-2025 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mainstreammix (Post 23349797)
The answer is no. It helps but I couldn't code hello world.
im pretty sure everyone knows hello world :p

maybe a different take on it?

Quote:
(function () {
const asciivals = [72, 101, 108, 108, 111, 32, 87, 111, 114, 108, 100];
const binaryCodes = asciivals.map((number) => number.toString(2));
const paddedBinaryCodes = binaryCodes.map((binary) => {
while (binary.length < 8) {
binary = "0" + binary;
}
return binary;
});
const decimals = paddedBinaryCodes.map((binary) => parseInt(binary, 2));
const backToLetters = decimals.map((number) => String.fromCharCode(number));
const helloWorld = backToLetters.join("");

console.log(helloWorld);
})();

INever 02-28-2025 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Huggles (Post 23349640)
1+ year ago when I was working on my "tube killer" porn media engine website, the AI would start fucking up at about 250-300 lines of code. 100 and under the AI rocked... 100+ started getting dicey, 150+ you're on a prayer, 200+ you definitely need to re-prompt it for all of the functions and such you need with a huge prompt so it remembers what the entire code is supposed to do...

I am using the free ChatGPT right now to code something for my uploads, and it seems to be better than a year ago, but not much, it still requires big prompt reminders or it hallucinates like you mentioned and does weird shit. Maybe the paid version is better than this free one now, because last year I was using paid version.
the big boys are using something 100x better

below1degree 03-01-2025 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TangibleAsset (Post 23349632)
We're actually creating a new problem though. Junior developers aren't going to learn the same way senior devs did and AI is going to lead to over-reliance on AI IMO. Right now, after a certain point the code base gets too complex for most models context windows and they start forgetting shit or hallucinating functions.
Totally agree. The fact that new people don't feel the need to learn basics will lead to the point when AI will have to work with AI-made problems and as of now it looks like it'll be a hard time for LLMs to operate with complex problems.

As first wave of AI hype will settle down, only then we'll see what real future state of market will look like. Rn it's a storm and everyone predicts the end of the world for programmers.

Killswitch 03-02-2025 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by fris (Post 23351003)
im pretty sure everyone knows hello world :p

maybe a different take on it?
stop using IIFs, they're useless.

mainstreammix 03-02-2025 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fris (Post 23351003)
im pretty sure everyone knows hello world :p

maybe a different take on it?
I refuse to learn code, I don't like symbols. :1orglaugh {?]

Publisher Bucks 03-02-2025 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fris (Post 23351003)
im pretty sure everyone knows hello world :p
10 Print "Hello World"
20 Goto 10
30 Run

Mr Pheer 03-02-2025 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Publisher Bucks (Post 23351795)
10 Print "Hello World"
20 Goto 10
30 Run
Line 30 is redundant as it will never be executed.

AmeliaG 03-03-2025 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 23350785)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hey, did your Facebook get banned or is AI impersonating you? (No doubt ducks hired the AI)


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