1 hunnerd programmers out of work because of AI

The MPC stuff is pretty technical and needs coding - It has really taken off - It might be an opportunity for a good coder - If you can't beat them join them!..

not yet, in the interim we have "god mode"

And I really gotta reiterate that anyone that's not a coder using this tech to code better make friends with a programmer real fast. Refactor Fridays are a must...

The amount of bullshit code I pull out of agentic projects is insanity, but ... still saving me months time, even with that caveat

In the last month Ive coded 2 years worth of code.
I take fridays to refactor each project, by hand.
get the bullshit outta them, there is TONS of bad code produced by these agents, some of it critical...

When you're rich and I'm back on my feet, let's do dinner! :pimp

so, never? :1orglaugh

Asshole! I'm never giving up! I will never surrender to a 9-5! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I do .. kinda get ya there, Ive definitely chose starving over 9-5, but it lasted a few weeks and then suddenly I was making a ton of cash monetizing my skills and GFY following.

so I need to ask, why are you not doing the same?

any tips / advice on refactoring? :)

COVID apparently :1orglaugh

I go thro line by line, or function by function and read it all, gut anything I don't need, or dead functions that the AI has left in the code etc... while rare, if I come across something I don't understand in the code, I will ask it what its doing on those specific lines, to decide if I need to refactor it.

If you cant code, I'd go thro function by function, and have another AI check its work, have it tell you exactly what the code is doing, and remove or fix or ADD as needed along the way. ( over time, this will teach you to code ) just as a side effect.

I tend to use AI very surgically, building small, event driven components so its easier for the AI to digest, and easier on me to debug, and refactor

I do have to wonder about this experience for non-coders, as I ran into something the other day that a non coder would never figure out, but I knew what was going on... it would have made me throw my computer if I wasnt a coder though

Same here.

so i got a question for non coders using AI to code.. do you not specify stack? and just end up on whatever roller coaster it takes you on? :1orglaugh

Sometimes I'll tell the AI that, for example, I don't know json or react or whatever and is there another way and it accommodates. I don't even know what the stack decision tree would look like. Somehow I'm still making useful stuff with AI assistance, but wow if I knew more about what I was doing ...

thanks for the tips :thumbsup

so I've been using both cursor and claude code, I've done tests too, and haven't noticed much difference between the two... but... BUT! I've just installed claude code straight on the server and it works! now, not sure if I want ai edit backend code on a live website... but still pretty cool :upsidedow

Correct, this is a roller coaster baby, woo!

Hey MGK... quick question... is there an advanced clipboard app you use?

I find myself having soooooo many copy pastes that I re-use, and I don't think putting them in a .txt file and opening the file over and over to add and copy paste is very efficient with time... soooo... is there an advanced clipboard app that is considered the best? Free would be nice! :pimp

I do well with one clipboard... not sure wtf you've got going on.

If you're still overloading your clipboard you are doing something wrong.



Anyway, that said, guys today I went thro a lil experiment to see what someone that cant code may be up against here..

Jesus christ.

So if I can give you all some advice,

1. Choose a Specific Tech Stack
If you’re regularly working on web projects, pick a particular technology stack and stick with it. Constantly switching stacks can add unnecessary complexity. For example, I use the TALL stack because it aligns well with my daily work. However, whether you prefer React, Vue, or another framework, consistency will help streamline your development process.

2. Use Iterative Prompting Instead of Extended Conversations
When working with AI for coding assistance, it’s more effective to reset and refine your prompt rather than continuing a long conversation that builds on previous errors. In my experiment, I encountered an issue with a video source - in a conversation describing errors one by one, the codebase bloated exponentially, for zero fuckin reason.

—in one instance reducing a bloated 356 lines of code down to just 6 lines after refactoring by hand. - that code was super expensive for no good reason also, just trying to battle a bug that actually did not exists, was just the AI being fucking stupid. ( confused 2 video sources in the same code )

God speed!

I'll give you $20 to get vaccinated.

I don't even know wtf you're talking about if that answers your question. :1orglaugh

But I really don't hit much in the way of roller coasters. I know you can get really complex, and I have for specific things, but almost everything I do can be integrated 1000x more easily into existing platforms instead of reinventing the wheel.

So instead of building a store from the ground up I use AI code to shove all the data I'm working with into an import file.

If I want to populate forums a certain way I use existing ones and populate them with... import files.

Etc.

I also give 0 shits about bad code because of this. When I hit the button one of my scripts takes the 30,000 entries in a json (local) and makes me a file for my shopify stores, Walmart, eBay, Amazon, TikTok Shops, etc. A step 2 of that takes the 30,000 images, overlays them with my background and watermark of choice, adds the correct dynamic data to them, names them in a consistent structure and I upload those to the cdn at shopify where all other platforms can pull the correct image for each entry in.

All of that takes almost no time. If good code sped it up x100 it wouldn't change much in how I operate so I honestly don't care at all yet.

So far I have found 0 things I can't work around while refusing to learn code. If it comes up I'll send out the bat signal. :1orglaugh

Fuck off. :321GFY

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If you're coding utilities to make your life easier, as you've described, it really doesnt matter.. like you stated.

I mean more when people are using this to code for "production" a website, app or service that others will use.

I know, I just think it's hilarious that my retarded ass can finish projects I've had in the books for 15 years and it takes like 2 hours. :1orglaugh

Right! I have some oooooold to-do list items getting checked off. :banana:

Any of you maniacs using MAX?

I've been coding all day, making huuuuuge progress!

https://i.ibb.co/DgjDN0x3/usage.png
https://i.ibb.co/zH847c1X/max.png

Working with Cursor is more fun than smoking weed, and cheaper!

Fuck... I am going to be the fucking compilation KING.

https://i.ibb.co/GfNQBjgf/cursor.png

My fucking app is running pretty slick at the moment, but I had a big setback today as my settings.JSON got corrupt somehow!

Luckily I built an automatic backup system into my app, but, somehow, I did not back it up for 3 hours and I had made massive progress during that time, and Cursor actually overwrote part of my code that we had made big advances on, so, for the last 3-4 hours, I have had Cursor rebuild the progress I made earlier. I find that Cursor gets fucking slow and makes mistakes the longer you work in a folder, so what I've been doing is, once I get to a good version of the app, I copy-paste the whole folder to another version, so now we're on GetDatBag5 app now, and then I re-open the folder fresh in Cursor and explain to it the history of the app and it works much smoother again.

I think by my birthday, May 1st, this app will be running really nice. I have a ton of real life bullshit to do starting on this Friday to make rent and survive, but the coding progress I'm making is freakin' siiiiiiiiiick!

https://i.ibb.co/N223gpSS/cursor.png

You know you can revert to a checkpoint in Cursor? - Look in your chat and just click the button - I can't remember exactly what it says, but it's something like "Restore Checkpoint" - I use it a lot...

Yeah but the window gets sooooooooo slow after hours and hours...

I just figured out my issue...

tkinter Frames are a no-no in a JSON configuration, even Cursor AI didn't figure it out until I went into the JSON and I was poking around as to why my shit kept getting corrupt and I couldn't save these things I am trying to do in batch, and it is because JSON isn't designed to hold the complex info I'm trying to feed through it. You could work around it, but it's a pain, so I just switched to another data storage format and shit is fine now. Holy shit the AI couldn't figure it out until I kept hammering on it what the fuck was going on?! :upsidedow

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Cursor needs a slap upside the head... why is it that I fix the issues by storing some of the complex data in a CSV file, but then Cursor decides, randomly, to switch back to using JSON and breaking my shit? Going to slap the shit out of this AI!

.cursorrules

Why does Cursor betray me and switch from our CSV setup that works, to, in the middle of updating another feature, slip JSON in under the door and then all our settings.config data is corrupt?

Very strange!

I think I am going to take all of the good stuff we've built, put it in a new folder, and re-write it so that my main app "Get Dat Bag" is just a launcher for a bunch of separate apps that, if Cursor fuckin' fucks them up, I can just replace those apps. Somehow my main app has been fucked over by cursor and I'm having all these weird UI errors, JSON replacing my super-simple and functional CSV method that works for any data I pass it... Cursor has an obsession with switching things to JSON for no reason! I'm a firm believer in keeping all my code as modular as possible, but I think I need to re-write my main app with clear instructions to Cursor in where all the important data needs to be stored and how it is stored, so there is NO confusion by Cursor. Imagine my shock when Cursor suddenly tells me that we've switched to storing our complex data in JSON again and because we store all this crazy shit in there that has weird characters, that our JSON data is corrupt again...... fuck!!!

Kind of frustrated at the moment, because I had everything working SO good, and then I used this new thing I had Cursor build, this new thing that was SO close to basically running my entire ship like clockwork with these if-this-then-that type functions, where the script could then call AI and have AI do some shit for me to basically re-create me as a worker but in code form, and then Cursor fuckin' slid JSON in under the door and fucked the whole system, and I've used 100+ prompts now to try and un-fuck the whole situation but shit is fucked!!!

I think I will have to roll back to 2 days ago. Sucks!!!

But, hey, how else do you learn but to fall down and fail along the way? :pimp

use git, for stable checkpoints.

Use cursor checkpoints in between

How do I use git? :1orglaugh

type exactly that in cursor prompt window my man .... jesus christ lol

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Okay I'll ask ChatGPT since I'm runnin' out of prompts!

https://i.ibb.co/xKrRpk8n/usage.png

openai have released codex cli which is pretty much an open-source copy of claude code. just saying...

https://github.com/openai/codex

'I accidentally removed most of the CSS styles when adding the cancel button styles. Instead of appending the new styles to the existing ones, I replaced them.' :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh