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buddyjuf 06-19-2003 07:55 PM

going into the future should be ALOT easier than going in the past

the speed of light is a limit wich is somewhat "impossible" to reach. (from what I remember)
but with technology, we approach is every day

the faster we go, the more time passes slowly.
so if we go @ a speed close to the speed of light we will go in the future, although it will still take alot of "travel time"

finally, the experiment with the atomic clocks
when they put atomic clocks in a jet that went @ Mach3 (I think)
when they brought it back to earth, the clocks were a few milliseconds distorted.

going FASTER than the speed of light, now thats something to think about :thumbsup

Im not 100% sure of what I wrote here, but most of it is still fresh in my head

edit: lol nazgul, I hadent read your post, hehe

12clicks 06-19-2003 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by chodadog
I thought about this. Assume you're at point A, and you're looking at point B. If you travel from point A to point B, faster than the speed of light, and back to point A. You will be able to see yourself at point B. Dose this mean you've gone into the future? No. 'Cause afterall, that's not really you that you are looking at. That is merely the reflection of light that you have managed to overtake.

But hey, i'm no physicist. Just my 2 cents. :winkwink:

right or wrong, thats good thinking

12clicks 06-19-2003 07:59 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


You're not proving your ice cream theory either. You're guessing that he is wrong.

Until we can travel a lot faster than currently possible, it can't really be totally proved or disproved, right?

not true, my "swap speed of sound for speed of light " theory is flawless.
speed of light is not a meaningful limit or gauge or point to achieve. what if we were blind?

chodadog 06-19-2003 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks


not true, my "swap speed of sound for speed of light " theory is flawless.
speed of light is not a meaningful limit or gauge or point to achieve. what if we were blind?

If a tree falls in a forest, and nobody is there to hear it, does it still make a sound? :winkwink:

12clicks 06-19-2003 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf
going into the future should be ALOT easier than going in the past

the speed of light is a limit wich is somewhat "impossible" to reach. (from what I remember)
but with technology, we approach is every day

the faster we go, the more time passes slowly.
so if we go @ a speed close to the speed of light we will go in the future, although it will still take alot of "travel time"

:thumbsup

Im not 100% sure of what I wrote here, but most of it is still fresh in my head

this is being said but not proven

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks


this is being said but not proven

its a theory, thats the point of it...
still to be proven

true until proven wrong! :winkwink:

(and dont tell me false until proven true, with einsteins credibility, its always the other way around)

Gman.357 06-19-2003 08:05 PM

Einstein theorized that NOTHING could go faster than the speed of light. So what the hell does he know about it anyway? Didn't he ever watch Star Trek?

:winkwink:

12clicks 06-19-2003 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by chodadog


If a tree falls in a forest, and nobody is there to hear it, does it still make a sound? :winkwink:

exactly.
time is more than just what we see.

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gman.357
Einstein theorized that NOTHING could go faster than the speed of light. So what the hell does he know about it anyway? Didn't he ever watch Star Trek?

:winkwink:

exactly,
but the faster you go, the more time passes slowly, thus throwing us in the future!!!

and if we were to go @ the speed of light, time stops
so you can go infinite years in the future instantly...
now THAT is cool :D

Buff 06-19-2003 08:06 PM

Human beings will never be able to "travel backwards through time" -- we know this to be a fact; how, you ask?

Simple, because if at any point in the future it became possible to travel back through time, someone would do it, so we would already always have known it was possible.

Now that's logic, biatches.

MrPopup 06-19-2003 08:08 PM

50 bowls of genius ice cream

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Buff
Human beings will never be able to "travel backwards through time" -- we know this to be a fact; how, you ask?

Simple, because if at any point in the future it became possible to travel back through time, someone would do it, so we would already always have known it was possible.

Now that's logic, biatches.

why would someone travel BACK in time?
who has time to waste

remember
if you travel back in time, you can never go back in the future unless you reinvent the time machine!!!

ppl in the future would rather travel in the future then back in time :thumbsup

freeadultcontent 06-19-2003 08:10 PM

Some people really need to step away from the pipe.

modF 06-19-2003 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
I've always known Einstein was wrong about time travel but I never felt I had the time to properly debunk it.
So tonight, I'm eating Ben & Jerry's "coffee heathbar crunch" icecream and a simple answer to the problem presented itself


The hippie ice cream is spiked, someone may need to sit with you to talk you down :)

12clicks 06-19-2003 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by bdjuf


its a theory, thats the point of it...
still to be proven

true until proven wrong! :winkwink:

(and dont tell me false until proven true, with einsteins credibility, its always the other way around)

dude, I have credibility here.:winkwink:

why doesn't my speed of sound theory hold water?

12clicks 06-19-2003 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buff
Human beings will never be able to "travel backwards through time" -- we know this to be a fact; how, you ask?

Simple, because if at any point in the future it became possible to travel back through time, someone would do it, so we would already always have known it was possible.

Now that's logic, biatches.

not true, the future hasn't happened yet

warlock667 06-19-2003 08:13 PM

Thought I'd chime in on this one, since I've had this one thought in my head for such a long time:

You're travelling from point A to point B. You keep doing, each time going twice as fast as the previous time. If it were possible to reach a speed that the time to take you from point A to point B was 0 (instantaneously), then if you were to go any faster than that speed, you would have to be at point B BEFORE you left point A, thereby jumping somewhere in time...

But, you will never reach "Instantaneous" speed, because if you graph out all this junk, you get an asymtope that represents instantaneous speed, which you can never reach. Is this the speed of light? I dunno.

Just thought I'd throw that out as something else to think about...

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks


dude, I have credibility here.:winkwink:

why doesn't my speed of sound theory hold water?

are you telling me that you have more credibility than einstein :P

the fact is, 12clicks
many scientists study the theory of relativity
and if they were so certain that it was impossible, everybody would know of it by now.

what you say maybe makes sence to you, and to others, but PROBABLY isint the fact :winkwink:

12clicks 06-19-2003 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by modF


The hippie ice cream is spiked, someone may need to sit with you to talk you down :)

dude, its mind expanding

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by warlock667
Thought I'd chime in on this one, since I've had this one thought in my head for such a long time:

You're travelling from point A to point B. You keep doing, each time going twice as fast as the previous time. If it were possible to reach a speed that the time to take you from point A to point B was 0 (instantaneously), then if you were to go any faster than that speed, you would have to be at point B BEFORE you left point A, thereby jumping somewhere in time...

But, you will never reach "Instantaneous" speed, because if you graph out all this junk, you get an asymtope that represents instantaneous speed, which you can never reach. Is this the speed of light? I dunno.

Just thought I'd throw that out as something else to think about...

exactly. that asymptote is what its all about
thats why I DO believe in going in the future
although going in the past is somewhat farfetched :thumbsup

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks


dude, its mind expanding

:1orglaugh send me some :1orglaugh

Gman.357 06-19-2003 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks


dude, I have credibility here.:winkwink:

why doesn't my speed of sound theory hold water?

For one, you're asking GFY about complex scientific relativism. We're the folks who can't stop cheaters from changing their TGP galleries on us, remember?

:glugglug

12clicks 06-19-2003 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by warlock667
Thought I'd chime in on this one, since I've had this one thought in my head for such a long time:

You're travelling from point A to point B. You keep doing, each time going twice as fast as the previous time. If it were possible to reach a speed that the time to take you from point A to point B was 0 (instantaneously), then if you were to go any faster than that speed, you would have to be at point B BEFORE you left point A, thereby jumping somewhere in time...

But, you will never reach "Instantaneous" speed, because if you graph out all this junk, you get an asymtope that represents instantaneous speed, which you can never reach. Is this the speed of light? I dunno.

Just thought I'd throw that out as something else to think about...

never reach instantaneuos.your trying to divide in half to get to zero. it can't be done.

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

never reach instantaneuos.your trying to divide in half to get to zero. it can't be done.

thats why its an asymptote :winkwink:

freeadultcontent 06-19-2003 08:17 PM

Ok lets be simple.

You somehow can travel at the speed of light. You get in your spiffy machine and zoom out into space at the speed of light.

You travel for 4 light years, flip a u turn and zoom back to earth.

You land your spiffy machine, get out and you will only be 8 years older, but the rest of the people on the planet would have aged a whole lot more.

You suddenly relize yes 8 years have past for you but for the rest of the planet it is not so. That places you where? Oh yeah in the future.


Edited- forgot to double the years for the return trip.

12clicks 06-19-2003 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by bdjuf


are you telling me that you have more credibility than einstein :P

in certtain circles :winkwink:

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf

the fact is, 12clicks
many scientists study the theory of relativity
and if they were so certain that it was impossible, everybody would know of it by now.

what you say maybe makes sence to you, and to others, but PROBABLY isint the fact :winkwink:

I think the pros have jumped to too many happy conclusions because of einsteins reputation.

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Ok lets be simple.

You somehow can travel at the speed of light. You get in your spiffy machine and zoom out into space at the speed of light.

You travel for 4 light years, flip a u turn and zoom back to earth.

You land your spiffy machine, get out and you will only be 4 years older, but the rest of the people on the planet would have aged a whole lot more.

You suddenly relize yes 4 years have past for you but for the rest of the planet it is not so. That places you where? Oh yeah in the future.

the places you were? 4 years in a space shuttle for you
50 years in a space shuttle for the others

modF 06-19-2003 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by warlock667
But, you will never reach "Instantaneous" speed, because if you graph out all this junk, you get an asymtope that represents instantaneous speed, which you can never reach. Is this the speed of light? I dunno.

Just thought I'd throw that out as something else to think about...

While I agree with most of what you said, the speed of light is not instantaneous. If it were, it would not take 8 minutes for the sun's light to reach earth.

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

I think the pros have jumped to too many happy conclusions because of einsteins reputation.

hehehe, people study this theory day and night
they dont just sleep on what einstein said :thumbsup

12clicks 06-19-2003 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Ok lets be simple.

You somehow can travel at the speed of light. You get in your spiffy machine and zoom out into space at the speed of light.

You travel for 4 light years, flip a u turn and zoom back to earth.

You land your spiffy machine, get out and you will only be 4 years older, but the rest of the people on the planet would have aged a whole lot more.

You suddenly relize yes 4 years have past for you but for the rest of the planet it is not so. That places you where? Oh yeah in the future.

you have zero proof of this.
The amount of time you are gone from earth is the full amount of time youve been gone no matter how FAR you go.
get it?
If you go 20 billion miles in 5 minutes because of speed, you are still only gone for 5 minutes.

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by modF


While I agree with most of what you said, the speed of light is not instantaneous. If it were, it would not take 8 minutes for the sun's light to reach earth.

if you were in that ray of light
it would be instantaneous to get to earth

but FROM earth, 8 minutes is what it takes =)

its not the earth traveling @ the speed of light here, its the ray of light

12clicks 06-19-2003 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf


hehehe, people study this theory day and night
they dont just sleep on what einstein said :thumbsup

so then why am I less relevant than them. I think about it as much as einstein did. :)

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

so then why am I less relevant than them. I think about it as much as einstein did. :)

:thumbsup

but do you have graphs and pages of calculations to prove your point? :winkwink:

modF 06-19-2003 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf


if you were in that ray of light
it would be instantaneous to get to earth

but FROM earth, 8 minutes is what it takes =)

its not the earth traveling @ the speed of light here, its the ray of light

So in the terms of that, an instant would get a ray of light to earth, how many instants would it take to get that same ray of light from the sun to pluto?

12clicks 06-19-2003 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf


if you were in that ray of light
it would be instantaneous to get to earth

but FROM earth, 8 minutes is what it takes =)

its not the earth traveling @ the speed of light here, its the ray of light

not true. if you are in the ray of light, you will take 8 minutes to get her. and your friend standing on the sun will have had 8 minutes pass.

juice 06-19-2003 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by chodadog
I thought about this. Assume you're at point A, and you're looking at point B. If you travel from point A to point B, faster than the speed of light, and back to point A. You will be able to see yourself at point B. Dose this mean you've gone into the future? No. 'Cause afterall, that's not really you that you are looking at. That is merely the reflection of light that you have managed to overtake.

But hey, i'm no physicist. Just my 2 cents. :winkwink:


yes, so?

Like 12 clicks, all you do is an observation ... not really related to Einstein theory... :2 cents:

freeadultcontent 06-19-2003 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

you have zero proof of this.
The amount of time you are gone from earth is the full amount of time youve been gone no matter how FAR you go.
get it?
If you go 20 billion miles in 5 minutes because of speed, you are still only gone for 5 minutes.


Ok we have stars in the sky, many of which have long burned out. The light is still reaching us in the future.

buddyjuf 06-19-2003 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent



Ok we have stars in the sky, many of which have long burned out. The light is still reaching us in the future.

I dont think that has to do with relativity, just the speed of light.
but yes, its very true

seeing a start that is 6billion light years away :thumbsup
that means we see the light 6 billion years after it was sent out

12clicks 06-19-2003 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf


:thumbsup

but do you have graphs and pages of calculations to prove your point? :winkwink:

Albert didn't have all that much either. :)

freeadultcontent 06-19-2003 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by bdjuf


I dont think that has to do with relativity, just the speed of light.
but yes, its very true

seeing a start that is 6billion light years away :thumbsup
that means we see the light 6 billion years after it was sent out

Yes therefore we are viewing the past.


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