And 12 Clicks .. why are you fucking around like this? Good ice cream, huh? ;-)

Einstein could be wrong on this point as well.
We just know of nothing faster than light.

Or perhaps we do. If a black hole sucks in light, isn't the gravitational pull of a black hole *faster* than the speed of light?

well its the next day so I'd say the finish, like a good wine, is long. :)

Sure, he could be wrong - from a certain point of view. Our physical theories of today are approximate anyway. Newton's theories were approximate. They worked perfectly for nearly everything anyone observed for hundreds of years. Einstein's equations though better aren't perfect either. They don't work perfectly well with quantum mechanics. Even the correction to the theoretical prediction for the perihelion of mercury is still not perfect and that was one of the crowning achievements of Einstein's theories.

However in regards to the initial statement that "the theory is that if you could travel at faster than the speed of light, you could travel through time", I don't think can be attributed to Einstein nor to his equations.

yeah, I clarified that in page 2 (I think it was)
He does say that time slows @ speed. We're debating that.

If a "light particle" (photon) is in a black hole it cannot escape because the black hole is so massive that the light particle doesn't have enough energy to escape. It is the black hole's mass bending space and time that prevents the particle from escaping.

Despite the fact that no one has even been to a black hole it is intuitive in a sense. Celestial bodies have escape velocities which depend on the mass of the body. You have to be able to go a certain speed to leave the earth (without constant propulsion).

The next step is wondering if a body can be so massive that not even light could escape. The answer to that question has been called a "black hole". The French mathematician/astronomer Pierre Laplace actually thought of this in the late 1700s. I think there is an appendix in Hawking's first book with Laplace's conjecture for you Hawking fans. I don't have a copy.

I think you're bullshitting everyone. ;-)

I think the ice cream was laced :Graucho

so in other words, the black hole's gravitational pull is *faster* than light.

And hey, I'm not bullshitting anyone:thumbsup

funny you should say that.
The tamper resistant seal *was* missing.

its all relative!
you people saying 1 minute is 1 minute arent thinking of relativity

what your saying only applies for "earth" time, and not about speed!

the fact is
if 1 person spends his life sitting down
and the other person spends all his life sprinting

when both of them die, the watch of the person who was sprinting all his life could be a few seconds earlier


and about that 8 minute- 7 minute thing
if you save 1 minute on a specific distance, that means that you were going @ (lets say) 10km/hour more
that is NOTHING compared to the speed of light so you wont even see a difference!

but theoretically, you went a few billiseconds into the future

12 Clicks,

Don't you know ... 50 GFY posters can't be wrong!

If you drive your car into the "Like Whoa" building your car stops but not because the building was going faster.

Don't you know...12clicks is never wrong!

*cough* *cough*

If you drive your car away from the "like whoa" building but nick is sucking thru a straw so hard that your car gets sucked into the building, his sucking is *faster* than your car. :winkwink:

oh, you poor dear!
;-)))

Are you playing by jungle rules, today? ;-)

http://www.leenoga.com/babynoga.gif - Does this class count for college credit?

No, time is NOT relative. that's what Einstein got wrong. a minute is a minute no matter where it is measured.
go back to my 2 planets example. if they are formed the same day and they've been traveling for 1 million years but at different rates, are they both not 1 million years old?

if your in astrophysics and in a debate, you can use the arguments presented above :thumbsup

12 Clicks,

http://www.zthumbs.com/temp/Slowdie.gif

No, I'm just living in a state of rightness. :Graucho

yes, 1 million years old EARTH time
but if the clock was on the planets themselves
they would NOT be 1 million years old :thumbsup

we keep arguying the same thing

Where's the clock?

Reminds me of a high school debate club... Good times!:thumbsup

However, you said:

If you switch Ben & Jerry's "coffee heathbar crunch" ice cream a with pile of shit , you would doubt that 12clicks would be enjoying a bowl of it... Which comparing light to sound, it doing the same thing...


But I do realize some on GFY might not know the difference...:)

Should have turned left at the stop sign. Now you are in a state of denial. :Graucho

because you won't listen. :)

time marches on. your argument would mean that at a certain speed, there would be no aging. this is not true.
There is not now nor will there ever be a celestrial body that is moving so fast that it doesn't age.

time is a constant, it is not relative to anything.

The clock is not relevant. does time not march on if there is no clock?

you keep thinking that there is only 1 time!
the time on your watch!

this is not true :thumbsup

Fine. By what method do YOU propose to measure the rate of expiration of time to verify your claim that they are both "1 million years old"?

Not true wizzy. I used sound and light as an example of us seeing things as they pertain to us.
Time happends wether we see it, measure it, or not.
we measure the speed of lite by eye and sound by ear, neither is relevant to time.

thats where your wrong! Its ALL ABOUT WHERE THE CLOCK IS!

because time passes DIFFERENTLY depending on what speed you go at.

the reason that you are debating this, is because you refuse to accept the theory :thumbsup

and remember, I say everything as if the theory is true (wich it should be)

and you say everything as if the theory didnt exit!

of course we will ALWAYS disagree :thumbsup

There *is* only one time but not the one on your watch.

Then write a book to back it up. Surely proving Hawkings wrong in any area would be nothing less than groundbreaking work.

:thumbsup

we know when the planets were born, everything else is equal in time after that.
you don't need to measure one against the other just use the "="

I prefer to be groundbreaking on the internet.
the pay is better.:1orglaugh

also :thumbsup