We still take the sale, Webmasters get paid. The consumer is commiting the fraud because he shoudn't have signed up because he has to use a different zipcode. It's just for legalities.

This is good advice in general, regardless of the specific issues in this thread.

It is especially good advice if you run a site where you have people coming back to your site over a period of years. If you screw over your regulars, and they decide not to use their credit cards at adult sites, or not to trust your advice/recommendations, eventually your traffic will become less and less likely to spend money, and you will make less per unique visitor.

Again, I haven't even looked at Lover Cash, I have no idea about the accusations against them, I'm just commenting on the general idea of not scaring people into running from adult transactions.

:1orglaugh


Lensman - nice to see how you only protect your buddies and dont give a shit about other people being slandered/accused (double standarts ? :321GFY ) How much did he pay you to back him up ?

Ron (fm) - GFY cheater :321GFY

ok to end it here i just think that isyouropinion about being ethical not fact even if it is burried in t.a.c somewhere which we have all used to our advantage at one time or another. Its legal and if they dont want to join if they dont have to period i just think it was kindof a shitty thing to do. Raining on his parade as you put it. But at this point i digress.


PEACE!!!!!!!!!!

Charming attitude, gotta give you that much :)

Here is what you go thru signing up - after you have been given the free sign up that bills $39 and the two radial buttons that bill you for another $78 you come to a page that says this - and only this....


***********************************************
Congratulations on Joining XXXCOLLEGEDATING!!
We've sent the log in information to you via Email aswell as listed below:

Username:xxxxxxxxx
Password: xxxxxxxxx

To receive a ONE TIME special bonus offer click on the button below to get your FREE BONUS membership to Vulgar Teens...

Click here to continue
***********************************************

There is no button to bypass this upsell - no price disclosure - if you want to see the site you have to click there and get billed for the 4th time - if you think that's ok, be my guest!!

Anytime CECash upsells someone, a java box pops up with the terms, amount of billing, fax number, email address, 800 phone number, 818 phone number to cancel - full disclosure.

big difference!!

<b>
DiscreetLifestyle.com

There is NO CHARGE for the intial 12 hour(s) preview. After the preview you will receive a 3 day trial membership for only $4.96(unless cancelled). Thereafter you will be billed $39.91 every 1 month(s) until cancelled. </b>

(T&C says you can't cancel with less than 24 hours notice)

Then 2 pre-checked boxes:
<b>
Click here to signup for a 5 day NO CHARGE Membership to Gang Bang Squad - Five Day Trial Membership. After 5 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month.

Click here to signup for a 4 day NO CHARGE Membership to Porn Try Out Four Day Trial Membership. After 4 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.19 every 1 month.

</b>

hahahahahahaha?

Cry me a fucking river.

lol.

P-I-M-P-D-O-G?

MadCap look at my post above - the 4th upsell has no disclosure whatsoever. So it's not just my opinion, it's a fact!

That's 3 billings and then when you go forward you get the 4th and here it is word for word.

***********************************************
Congratulations on Joining XXXCOLLEGEDATING!!
We've sent the log in information to you via Email aswell as listed below:

Username:xxxxxxxxx
Password: xxxxxxxxx

To receive a ONE TIME special bonus offer click on the button below to get your FREE BONUS membership to Vulgar Teens...

Click here to continue
***********************************************

Much understood.....

"There is no button to bypass this upsell - no price disclosure - if you want to see the site you have to click there and get billed for the 4th time - if you think that's ok, be my guest!!

Anytime CECash upsells someone, a java box pops up with the terms, amount of billing, fax number, email address, 800 phone number, 818 phone number to cancel - full disclosure."


All this being said.... everyone have a nice weekend.

That's why I will NEVER enter my details at any site that uses Epoch.

I will only EVER sign up for sites that use iBill or CCbill.

At least with those processors I know I won't have to read the T&C before signing up to a site, to avoid getting cross-billed to death.

And how exactly do I cancel a 12 hour trial, at least 24 hours before it ends?

thanks Fantasyman, I wanted this to get cleared not for me, but for the rest reading.

Atleast Fantasymans posts are directly related to the thread topic :winkwink:

this is fucking great

Isn't it? :)

By the way...

A person is not un ethical for overcharging someone on a porn site nor are they a bad business man. BOSSHAWG runs a solid business and has always been ethical in our dealings. What u think about his promotion is completely seperate.

Im sure %75 of all programs that were around before 99 have bent the rules many times beyond belief.....

:1orglaugh

Because someone else has done something, by you doing it doesn't make it any more ethical. It simply means you're lowering yourself to their level.




<b>100 you cock smokers.</b>

Sarah,

Im lost...

Are u inferring that I think that following whats wrong is ok?

Or

Was this just a statement of opinion?

Perhaps I misunderstood your post.

It seemed that you used the argument many others on this board do:

MSN/AOL/Gyms...etc. do it so what's the problem with us doing it too?

My point was, following 'borderline' business practices of others makes it no more ethical.

At least if people would have those fucking cross-sell boxes as *unchecked* initially ...

Ron: Nice to see you raising these issues... no matter what anyone says or what side they take... debates like this are worthwhile and necessary for the health of the industry... :thumbsup

Just seems to me like someone is a little jealous of the Hawgs.

If you think this has anything to do with jealousy, you obviously don't care about ripping off consumers.

Before you make a comment like this, go sign up for one of these sites. Come back here after and tell me about jealousy :)

Also, paying $20 to $45 to Webmasters when billing the consumer $160 is a nice profit - don't you think Webmasters should be paid more?

What is there to be jealous about?

Fantasy you look like a hater my friend. If you wanna call him at least make a thread about it instead of spamming in his.

i have to agree with that they should pay out more then $20 on the low end

I like to see BIG guys fight once in a while. Higher stakes always make me feel like a champ, even though I'm not related to the issue at hand.

I'm definitely not your friend. I'm far from a hater. So what else do you have to tell me? :)

Thats correct Sarah.

I dont support following whats wrong even if everyone is doing it. However, my comment was in relation to BOSS HAWG and his program in general. If wants to charge his customer $160, make money on the EZCLICKS and assume that their going to cancel the next minute......thats fine. U may not like it...FM may not like it...regardless, it's his program and his decision. That is why there are 50 programs out there. We promote who we like for what they do. We still charge our members $24.95 a month. Most people would say were crazy but we continue to keep our members for ever and ever. Its all about business models and risks. It has nothing to do with ethics.

yeah right, if you think Boss isn't going to get a ton of extra traffic because of this thread being good, you're nuts. I'm sure FM got some new business too. Not that either of them really need it. :glugglug

valid point :2 cents:

Hawgs rock !!

:glugglug :drinkup

who's the hater :)

Ron is not spamming if he has his banner in his posts like everyone else...

The points raised are valid and pertinent.

How about addressing the merits of the points rather than making this personal?

The popcorn will still taste just as good...

I think this is getting a little out of hand. Some of you are going to like us and want to send traffic, others are not. Some of you are loyal to FM, and others are not. Yes, I am bias because the "crew" at the Hawgs office is like a second family to me because I'm so far away from my own. They are good people, and I just felt the need to put my :2 cents: in. I have nothing bad to say about any other program out there. You all pick and choose who you want and who works for you. Possibly I'm being a little over emotional because I came home to find one of my cats passed away, but what I am trying to say is----- let it be. Those who know us and know we are trust worthy--stick with us!!! If you have a "beef" (that word sounds so stupid coming from a girl)..... then just don't join, there is no need for the flaming.

With all of that said... I hope you all have a good night. :) :(

Not I, you guys may not need the business, but you deserve it. This is a great thread, and you both have great programs. :glugglug

Boss Hawg and his krew are the nicest people in this idustry, and their programs have always kicked ass :thumbsup

btw, fantasyman - your coming into this thread and commenting on hawgs' programs looks kinda strange (to say the least)

I must say, something is obviously fucked up when you can offer 75 bucks for a signup. So far it seems only Fantasyman is the one to look at it without googly eyes, all kinds of webmasters are flocking to this because they think they will make a killing, sometimes its better to sit back and watch.. Should be interesting to see how this all plays out.