Back to the original point, I love $75 per signup (but I have only got one so far :( )

sure, sure,
but Lens owes me the check for the bet he lost!

How many $75 have you got so far today ? It's ON !

Playboy... You must have went to the FM school of coducting business on GFY the way you just jumped in this thread at least he has something to say and not just blatently promote his program

Lee... You have more than one signup now with plenty more to come I am sure:winkwink:

Have everyone else started making $75 per signup yet?... You still got 13 hours!:thumbsup

Lee, hit me up on ICQ...

You keep telling me about my mid-life crisis and I'll keep telling you how unethical your program is.

I just want to know why you only pay Webmasters $20 to $40 when you bang their surfers for $160?

Why do you offer your 3rd upsell with no disclosure or price?

Those are the two real business issues.

Now to address the bullsh-t issue that SAK keeps bringing up, my mid-life crisis. I'm mid-life crisis proof, everything one might do in a mid-life crisis, I have already done. Whether it be drugs, drinking, gambling, women, cars, travel, etc. SAK I'm sure you have traveled all over the world like I have, I'm sure you own 7 cars like I do, live in a 10,000 sq ft estate that's paid for like I do, I'm sure you've done estate planning for your children like I've done, just to name a few. So, if you think that the reason I find your program unethical is because of MY mid-life crisis, you're wrong.

The reason I'm posting in this thread is because you're ripping off consumers and by doing that, you're also ripping off Webmasters by giving them a short payout in your $160 scam!!

Any Webmaster that sends you folks to rip off for $160 probably deserves to get ripped off by only receiving $20 to $40 for their surfer who gets ripped off!

where is the third upsell at? i only see two cross sells

once you put your credit card number in and hit submit - this page comes up....

***********************************************
Congratulations on Joining XXXCOLLEGEDATING!!
We've sent the log in information to you via Email aswell as listed below:

Username:xxxxxxxxx
Password: xxxxxxxxx

To receive a ONE TIME special bonus offer click on the button below to get your FREE BONUS membership to Vulgar Teens...

Click here to continue
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no price - no disclosure

2 now (creeping up slowly :winkwink: )

I am 100% on FMs side..honesty is the key..

If Fm tells the truth then I think all people protecting this hawg is...stupid and just care about they makine money. Think about those people that buys his shit..yeah put yourself in those peoples position...

:321GFY


btw, thats crime..

Yawn!

:321GFY

its interesting to see shit like this coming from FM..............

FM...Them surfers are THANKING me..I am hooking them up with FREE trials to sites they normally cant get for FREE and they have the choice to cancel or not after they check them out.

And to keep saying I am billing the surfer $160 and paying out $20-45 is NONSENSE. How many actually take all 3 up sells and dont cancel I would have to say is probably less than 1%..dont have hard numbers here but I can tell you it is much less than you think!

Also you keep saying I am skirting the issue..I am not..since you brought up my billing practices I bring up yours...As localg pointed out above

On your information submit page you have NO mention of price, trial length OR rebill price, AND it is pre checked..(only mention of it at all is in the hahahahahahahahahaha popup box in the middle of other text that is hard to find) then on the join page you have NO mention of anything about the cross sale if they had it selected on the previosu page. NOTHING. NADA. Just a note saying the regular membership is rebilling at $49.95..wheres the info on the CC page about the cross sale?????

Cross-sale craziness!

Dude! Your sig with the dancing characters is some funny shit!

BossHawg, I think you missed my sarcasim.... :Graucho

I think YOU are one of the up and coming webmasters. You have busted your ass, paid you dues, and have some solid programs.

You do somethings that I think are over the line, but that is the way this industry has gone....

For Ron to come out and slam you, on your thread is pretty weak... especially when Ron has been the person leading the industry to the shady areas. ( Remember the silvercash stuff?? I could on and on about the stuff I remember )

I do not keep up with things, but it seems Ron is actually ripping off your ideas BossHawg ( this is coming from 3 people who do keep up with things, and I trust) - which is fine, because that is how the industry is... but to try and flip it around and claim he invented everything is just how Ron works... After all, without Ron and Al Gore, none of us would have jobs!

Just wanted to set the record straight on where I stand....

FM how can you say Boss is making $160 a join? Clearly he inst! Surfer joins his site for free, so he makes nothing, best case scenario the surfer takes all 3 cross sells. These cross sells are all epoch ezclicks from other sponsors, paying $15, max $20. So he is taking in $45-$60 max, and most probably on avg $10-$20, maybe less because there is no way every single surfer takes every cross sell. His only other income is from consoles and when the free trial converts into a paid membership. I doubt very much he has many $140 customers.

The epoch ezclicks are in plain english, and people have the option not to click them. As for FTC action and it being all the site owners fault. Have you read the epoch ezlicks on every site? They all say the same stuff word for word. I am not an epoch client, but clearly epoch is playing a role in the wording of these cross sales.

As for Boss copying your riskymail program? Please! If anything Join 4 Free & Pink 4 Free were the first mass marketed free email sites, your riskymail program was email panels only and these are full sites, something you only started to do much later.

You got in late with the free email sites, late with niche sites, late with paid trials, late with the comeback of pay per signup on free joins, late with your rewards program. Yes you innovated a lot at the start and others copied you, but dont try to act like you havent followed other programs leads as well.

Boss has put a few different original twists into his sites and programs. I dont see a need to jump on him at every opportunity.

This is the thread everyone should be reading... watching BossHawg and FantasyMan in a pissing match is like getting a camera in the girls locker room and being able to shout out comments from the peanut gallery.

Brad