What is wrong with that?

Cecash is making REAL big bucks. When they didn't make an agreement, they COULD risk a fine of 5% of GROSS over 6 years!!!!! Well that would maybe, well proberly not the end, but it would be a hard shock.

Now they made an agreement for X money, which Cecash proberly can easily afford...

And now after this agreement, they try to fight against it, BUT WHEN they loose, they still have that cheaper agreement, I don't see anything wrong in that, it's just smart IMO

Andre

Good point. Last I heard Hustler and Vivid had not settled.

hehe thats what i was thinking

Acacia is also out there courting venture capitalists. What do you think the first thing VC's want to see. Who have you licensed?

Hmm... Vrgin Radio... impressive... And look the adult industry is falling into line.

If the VC's start lining up, however much Virgin or whomever adds to their coffers and to their portfolio of licensees is just another couple of million these guys will risk. How many millions in hard cash do you have ready to go to court with. They are just waiting to get to the point where it is cheaper to sign then to fight. Like a huge blob, every signature they get means more and more it costs to fight. They don't want to license M$, they want to get bought by M$. This is just raising the price.

Something I learned from Billie Holiday... them that's got shall get.

Ron Levi is no Larry Flynt.

didn't you retire from the boards?

I took a vacation mr. anon.

Larry Flynt is no Hugh Hefner.

Unless your name is William H. Gates III there is always some richer than you.

:Graucho

The Truth Hurts, you seem to pop up anytime CE is in the mix. Change your name to BigTimeGreenAnon

Yep, got forbid someone sway from the CE hating sheep you associate yourself with.

By the way. "As of Jan 1, 2003 I am retired from posting on chat boards."
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=96996

Good to see you're a man of your word.

So will CECash be lowering payouts now?

At least we still use pics without getting gouged :/

What % of gross do they want as a fee ballpark - IF they do win and IF they get more and more money behind them?

Also it sounds like they would also have the right to deny you a license if they felt like it.

So does this mean that CECash will be accepting affiliates that violate ACACIA's patents or cutting off business with anyone dealing with video?

What is the long term outcome of this going to be on each level if they get their way in the long term?

First visa's 1% and now this...

:feels-hot

Yes

porndollar

you are the biggest fucking jackass I ever saw post on this board.

If a fucking giant hippopatimus and a fucking giant elephant were waking down the street you'd go up to them and say....

"Can I sit on your dick and then could you fuck me in the mouth
with those monster schlogers you got......

then please do a 200 lb shit mud slide on me.......I really really really do love you....both you big schlogers because I like to eat the mud slides you dumpin......

You must be new here.

i havent sent a single click to CE in quite a while for various reason, and this even further supports my thoughts that they run a fucking up ship over there.

grow some fucking balls fantasyman, stand up for what is right, dont bend over to save a buck.

we all know this wont make it past M$, which is someone they will have to face off against at some point if they dont lose against the pornographers.


and if they win, there are MANY MANY ways around paying them :)

You, and some others that posted in this thread actually make me laugh. CECash are financially supporting the IMPA. What are the rest of you slapdicks doing? I'm not financially supporting the IMPA (i'm in no position to do so, being a poor bastard and all) but fucking kudos to anyone that is.

If I was a CE Cash affiliate, right now my biggest concern would be "is FM gonna turn me over to Acacia?"

He is afterall the king of affiliate marketing. Where better to get a good list of who to sue?

I recall reading the license agreement as scanned somewhere on this board, and the agreement did indeed essentially require the signee to turn over all the people you did business with.

I wonder if ce cash got a good discount?

They are also supporting Acacia. Retard.

Now there's a fucked up thought.

Discount? FM is shrewd Jew, he is getting discount, stock, and then some I bet!

It's a backup plan. If the IMPA fails, and CECash didn't sign the license, they're going be required to pay 6 years of retroactive licensing fees. If the IMPA wins, the license agreement is nulled when the patents are invalidated.

The fact that they're <i>also</i> supporting the IMPA shows me that they're protecting their business in the smartest way possible. Covering themselves on all fronts. Like i said, if you're not contributing to the IMPA, then you're in no position to be criticising people that are actively involved in having these patents invalidated for the rest of us.

So what you're saying chodadog is that it's kinda like paying your taxes AND contributing money to Al Queda at the same time.

So you're saying that one cancels out the other?

Interesting reasoning.

I would like to see proof they are support IMPA. With CE's large gross revenue, they would be a large supporter if the defense fund is set up like I think.

That's the stupidest analogy i've ever heard. They're securing the financial well being of their business, while at the same time, helping the fight against Acacia. They're being smart. Saying that, i also have a lot of respect for Home Grown and the others involved for sticking to their guns.

Fantasyman's explanation made perfect sense here....

It's a business decision.

Lets say Acacia has a 10% chance of winning the battle over these patents (even though I think its a bit higher than that).... that would make CE liable for most likely tens of millions of dollars.

Why risk being _legally liable_ for 10's of millions when you can make a little legal deal, removing several zero's and STILL fight & financially back the cause. (which most people reading/complaining will not be doing anyway).


FM has a little more at stake than the people that got into this in the past couple years making 5k-50k/month.

Anyone that has "Lost respect for CEcash" really needs to step back and re-evaulate the situation - as if it was YOUR money that was at risk.

:2 cents:

If nothing else, CE taking this precaution should be a wake-up call to some of you to how serious this situation potentially is.

Did Far-L ever hook up the public with information on where to make donations for the legal fund btw?

FM did the best for his business, simple as that.

Hrrmm. CE Cash signed a deal, but the CE Cash affiliates did not.
So now what happens to the CE Cash affiliates who are using video to promote the sites?
Is CE Cash *required* to turn them in?
If Acacia pressed hard enough, *would* CE Cash turn over their db of webmasters?
Would Acacia bother to go after affiliates who make a few hundred or a few grand per month? Or do they only want the bigger fish in the industry?

No doubt about it, this is a smart business move on Ron's part. His ass is covered either way the patent decisions go. From what little I know about Ron, business is business. You might not like his decisions, but he didn't get where he is by worrying what other people would think. His business has always been first and foremost.

Far-L, is there a way for folks without deep pockets to help out? A previous poster mentioned that he wasn't a supporter because he's a "poor bastard"... do you guys accept smaller donations of like $25?

Hey. props to FM, he's not stupid. He always has and always will take care of his business. Just dont confuse his welfare with yours :D

i dont think there is one. just contact him to send money to the organization he started.

dont forget though that in this case, a little man can make a big difference.

every signup/click you send to ce cash... acacia gets a share of it. so basically if you send your traffic to ce cash, you're sending acacia money and you are helping and supporting acacia.

that's the bottom line.

and the tax analogy is perfectly valid. you give money to the good guys, so giving money to the bad guys doesnt matter?? what planet are you from.

absolutely correct. can't burn the candle at both ends and not expect to get burned.

No doubt he did what was best for HIM. Not taking into consideration that 30+ of his "friends" are named in a current lawsuit.

I don't know many details about acacia patent, but ill spend some time on the weekend to learn more about it.

I'm wondering if there are any open court cases with mainstream companies vs acacia.

This is a real bad move and this is munition for Arcacia in court.
Let imagine if we all settle in court... do you think we have a chance to win??

Me myself and I attitude...

In your analogy, Acacia is the government and IMPA are the terrorists? :1orglaugh

Hooper, good point. If you send traffic to CE, a % is going to Acacia. I think I send about 5 hits a day off old sites, going to find them tonight to make myself sleep better!

Wonder if Ron will be walking around Internext with Acacia's people showing them who to go after? Like with the FTC.....

PlentyOfIt,

Never has a name fit so well, as it does in this instance.

Look's like I struck a nerve with you.

I would of replied to your little post a bit eariler, but I was in Malibu looking at a new ocean view townhouse to buy. :)

Since you are anonymous, I really don't have anything to say to you execpt for a thank you for drawing attention to me and the PornDollar program :winkwink:

So with that in mind, Send your traffic to PornDollar and Make Some Cash Money :thumbsup

Yeah, i can just imagine you guys in a few months. Take a hypothetical situation. The IMPA loses against Acacia, and the patents are enforced (retroactively too, remember) and CECash didn't sign the licensing agreement.

Ron says: "Damn Acacia. Got us retroactively for 6 years"

The Peanut Gallery says: "Well aren't you stupid for not signing the licensing agreement."

A little "Donate By Paypal" link can make a big difference too :thumbsup.

I don't want to rag on those guys AT ALL because they are putting their necks on the line here and doing this for this entire industry, but.. they should really consider hooking something up to make donations easy.

Everyone time we talk about Acacia & Homegrown, people want to donate, but its not convienient.

How many members would you get it people had to call, email, or snail-mail you payment first? :)


Well... not really the bottom, bottom line.

I think the real bottom line is: FM did say that he will still be contributing to that fund. My guess is probably as much, if not more that he will be paying in licensing to Acacia.

Such a lawsuit would take YEARS and could cost $1million, you idiot. It would not be months.

interesting article,im not sure if it has been posted here before

http://www.forbes.com/2003/04/02/cz_sl_0402porn.html

So will CECash still allow affiliates that are violating patent infringements? Will they be obligated to hand over a list of their affiliates that are violating Acacia's patents? Will this affect payouts with this "licensing fee" factored in now?

The site will be up shortly for the IMPA and the Acacia Legal Defense Fund.

Kickass :thumbsup

Support is needed.

However long it takes, the point still remains. Nice way to completely ignore it though! :thumbsup

A business is not a person. It has no friends.
Friends are personal, business is business.

Well this is a tight biz, by stabbing 30 people in the back, you could be driving around alone in a purple prowler.

Well this is a tight biz, by stabbing 30 people in the back, you could be driving around alone in a purple prowler.

So if everyone of the 30 companies named in the acacia lawsuits payed their royalties to cover their backs for retroactive payments, and then supported the IMPA and the Acacia Legal Defense Fund, where would we be? Everyone would be supporting both entities and basically slinging money from left to right being eaten by the lawyers. It would turn into a vicious circle. The more people give acacia money, the more money Acacia would have to fight.

Who might these be ? Anyone know ?

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Acacia actually dismissed several suits, according to Robert Berman, senior vice president and general counsel at Acacia, although he did not name the companies involved in the dismissal and declined to comment if those companies had licensed the DMT technology. The dismissals were "tactical" in nature, he said.

The names of the eight adult companies who agreed to license the patents have not been disclosed.
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