No doubt he did what was best for HIM. Not taking into consideration that 30+ of his "friends" are named in a current lawsuit.

I don't know many details about acacia patent, but ill spend some time on the weekend to learn more about it.

I'm wondering if there are any open court cases with mainstream companies vs acacia.

This is a real bad move and this is munition for Arcacia in court.
Let imagine if we all settle in court... do you think we have a chance to win??

Me myself and I attitude...

In your analogy, Acacia is the government and IMPA are the terrorists? :1orglaugh

Hooper, good point. If you send traffic to CE, a % is going to Acacia. I think I send about 5 hits a day off old sites, going to find them tonight to make myself sleep better!

Wonder if Ron will be walking around Internext with Acacia's people showing them who to go after? Like with the FTC.....

PlentyOfIt,

Never has a name fit so well, as it does in this instance.

Look's like I struck a nerve with you.

I would of replied to your little post a bit eariler, but I was in Malibu looking at a new ocean view townhouse to buy. :)

Since you are anonymous, I really don't have anything to say to you execpt for a thank you for drawing attention to me and the PornDollar program :winkwink:

So with that in mind, Send your traffic to PornDollar and Make Some Cash Money :thumbsup

Yeah, i can just imagine you guys in a few months. Take a hypothetical situation. The IMPA loses against Acacia, and the patents are enforced (retroactively too, remember) and CECash didn't sign the licensing agreement.

Ron says: "Damn Acacia. Got us retroactively for 6 years"

The Peanut Gallery says: "Well aren't you stupid for not signing the licensing agreement."

A little "Donate By Paypal" link can make a big difference too :thumbsup.

I don't want to rag on those guys AT ALL because they are putting their necks on the line here and doing this for this entire industry, but.. they should really consider hooking something up to make donations easy.

Everyone time we talk about Acacia & Homegrown, people want to donate, but its not convienient.

How many members would you get it people had to call, email, or snail-mail you payment first? :)


Well... not really the bottom, bottom line.

I think the real bottom line is: FM did say that he will still be contributing to that fund. My guess is probably as much, if not more that he will be paying in licensing to Acacia.

Such a lawsuit would take YEARS and could cost $1million, you idiot. It would not be months.

interesting article,im not sure if it has been posted here before

http://www.forbes.com/2003/04/02/cz_sl_0402porn.html

So will CECash still allow affiliates that are violating patent infringements? Will they be obligated to hand over a list of their affiliates that are violating Acacia's patents? Will this affect payouts with this "licensing fee" factored in now?

The site will be up shortly for the IMPA and the Acacia Legal Defense Fund.

Kickass :thumbsup

Support is needed.

However long it takes, the point still remains. Nice way to completely ignore it though! :thumbsup

A business is not a person. It has no friends.
Friends are personal, business is business.

Well this is a tight biz, by stabbing 30 people in the back, you could be driving around alone in a purple prowler.

Well this is a tight biz, by stabbing 30 people in the back, you could be driving around alone in a purple prowler.

So if everyone of the 30 companies named in the acacia lawsuits payed their royalties to cover their backs for retroactive payments, and then supported the IMPA and the Acacia Legal Defense Fund, where would we be? Everyone would be supporting both entities and basically slinging money from left to right being eaten by the lawyers. It would turn into a vicious circle. The more people give acacia money, the more money Acacia would have to fight.

Who might these be ? Anyone know ?

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Acacia actually dismissed several suits, according to Robert Berman, senior vice president and general counsel at Acacia, although he did not name the companies involved in the dismissal and declined to comment if those companies had licensed the DMT technology. The dismissals were "tactical" in nature, he said.

The names of the eight adult companies who agreed to license the patents have not been disclosed.
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Bling

http://www.passionplayintinc.org/images/judas.jpg

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It's certainly nice to see that last year a few people I know made more money than Acacia.

I don't see too many VCs jumping on board even if their portfolio included Yahoo! with 10.8 million in outstanding settlements, $55 mil in hand and a 3000% drop in revenues in the course of a year.

But stranger things have happened. Funny that Acacia bought up the V-chip patents too, guess that wasn't the smartest investment.

What happened in April, the Forbes article said that was the first court deadline.

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/showth...threadid=93652

1 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01025 11/05/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. NEW FRONTIER MEDIA
2 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01040 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. NEW DESTINY INTERNET
3 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01041 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. GREYWOOD ENTERTAINME
4 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01042 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. GLOBAL REACH INC
5 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01043 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. LA TOURAINE INC
6 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01044 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. VIVID VIDEO INC
7 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01045 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. SN ENTERTAINMENT
8 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01047 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. LACE PRODUCTIONS
9 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01048 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. AUDIO COMMUNICATIONS
10 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01049 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. ELECTRA CONTENT
11 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01050 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. THE PEEPING MOEO
12 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01051 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WHITE SAND COMMUNICA
13 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01052 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. DOMAIN GIRLS
14 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01053 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WILD VENTURES LLC
15 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01054 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WICKED INTERACTIVE
16 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01055 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. HOLIO.NET LLC
17 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01056 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. SOFT FOCUS PRODUCT
18 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01057 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. PRECISE ENGINEERING
19 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01058 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. BABE NET
20 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01059 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. NATA INC
21 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01060 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. MATRIX CONTENT INC
22 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01061 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. BUTTERBALLS MCFADDEN
23 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01062 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. EXTREME PRODUCTIONS
24 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01063 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. VS MEDIA INS
25 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01064 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. STREAM FLEX INC
26 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01065 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WEB ZOTIC LLC
27 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 2:2002cv08633 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. ADEMIA MULTIMEDIA

Guide:

cacdc stands for the U.S. District Court for the CENTRAL District of CALIFORNIA.

The number after the cacdc: is the case number

The date of filings .

Oh my goodness, the hypocrisy in this thread is just fucking amazing.

We've got those that are known to turn on everyone they touch talking shit about those that do as they please and don't bother apologizing for it.

Perhaps FM is living in a glass house but he's not the only one throwing stones.

... good point, the license says he MUST hand over their names to arcacia.

How do you know he has that same license?

I think I am going to sue Acacia because the technology they patented is being used to illegally play my copyrighted videos :2 cents:

... that´s right, like all others I do know fuck, maybe his license reads: I pay $10000 per year, but we won´t tell the public.

They could be paying him for all we know lol...

Ron did what he felt to be best for his business, and it is his business.

Maybe it will work, maybe it won't... that's the thing about hindsight.

I think this is an interesting concept....

Brad

Sorry, very interesting thread and I just wanted to be part of it! Good luck to all those fighting...

Fucking Taxman just won't let you be..

Can anybody please explain to me Far-L's point early in this thread?

Far-L seemed to be saying that people who stay on the sideline hoping somehow Acacia misses them for now are worse off then companies like Homegrown and Holio who are putting up a defense. Uh........ if Homegrown loses this case I don't see them being better off than those on the sideline, worse because God knows how much money their legal defense costs are going to be, six figures to start anyway

I don't see Acacia saying if they prevail 'You guys put up a good and noble fight, we're not going to go after you retroactively for the infringments but those guys who just sat on the sidelines, we're going after it all'.

Acacia had Levi by the short and curlies, I really don't think anybody except those companies like Homegrown who are fighting it have a right to criticize him. The old saying 'Until you've walked a mile in that man's shoes' applies.

And for all the people waiting for the ultimate showdown between
Microsoft vs Acacia - get a little legal education, these cases Acacia has against the adult companies will tell the tale. Microsoft and a team of million dollar a year attorneys will have to overturn
on appeal the cases decided between the porn companies and Acacia. Not easy to do, not likely. Acacia went after porners first for alot of reasons, smart ones. We're talking years here before this is over, if Acacia wins these initial cases, it will be game over for many porn companies, when they sue the rest of us to enforce their patent and collect their blood money - 'Uh - can I wait until u sue Microsoft or AOL to see how this all turns out?' ain't gonna cut it.

It seems incredible that these extortionists could be found to have valid patents but when you have companies like Virgin in mainstream and CE in porn deciding discretion is the better part of valor it is fucking scary because you know some very good lawyers have studied Acacia's case extensively and have given their clients advice to settle and pay the license.

who ever thought posting pics of nude chicks on the Internet was going to get this complicated?

I can understand CE's decision. They're obviously hedging their bets.

But it does appear to give some credibility to Acacia's claims.

However, if you look at past precedent, Acacia also got some other licensing money from other patents like the V chip.

But, in the end, they lost most of those cases.

So the game's not over.

Then again, they weren't suing "Adult Entertainment" companies either (which Acacia specifically won the right to referr to these companies as during the suit). This lawsuit is going to be going in with a just a little negative publicity on the adult industries side.

All those millions of porn spams that get sent out to anyone and everyone every day, the bad operators that never cancel their members when they request.... could all catch up to the industry right here :(


I like the example of the guy mowing the other guys section of land in the other thread though... would be cool for the industry if it worked out something like that. ie.. Acacia and the previous patent owners made no claims, and no effort to let anyone know that they were infringing on their patents for ~13 years.. .even while this technology was HIGHLY PUBLICIZED as being in use.

Who knows how this shit will go.

On the other hand, this isn't like Epoch's MC lawsuit where those issues would be much more relevant to the case.

I don't see those issues coming into play as much with a patent lawsuit, but you never know.

Props to FM for being a good business man. He's got alot more to lose than most of us if Acacia gets their way.

Also props to Homegrown for putting up the good fight.

And for everyone debating in this thread: Thanks it's been a good read. :thumbsup

Now get back to work! :winkwink:

Btw happy 4th fellow Americans :drinkup

I can deffinently see why CE have done this however sad it might be :(

This might also be what we need to get more to join the fight against Acasia.
This WILL scare a few ppl out of their hole that used to think this was JUST going to blow over.

heads up ITS NOT so get your ass in geer and join the fight!
Dont just sit there and post bullshit about a company that HAD to settle...

Mutt: That is my opinion and conjecture that companies that don't deal with the matter in some way will be worse than companies that do deal with it head on, whether that means challenging the validity or applicability or settling.

BTW, Radio Virgin makes negative cash flow. Their settlement is only indicative of their reluctance to spend money that they did not have.