See that folks, he's admitted how obsessed he is with me, I better take out a restraining order, next thing you know he'll be stalking me :)

Mike I keep seeing you post this garb about industry leader, I have never uttered those words, so they're either your words or someone elses, get off this rhetoric already.
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Hmmm well I must have confused you with someone else...

I am going to retort to each point, so Darren does not think I am ducking anything.





Yes and when you started in 1996 you either had a Fast Cash account or a Clickcash account. That's how you funded yourself into this, on our money, that's just a simple fact.
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I am sure you have the exact numbers somewhere on a DB, but I did not make much money from your early. I was getting checks fed exed to me by Al. This is what helped me boot strap myself.

I give you props R-n, I always have that you were a founder of the industry. Too bad many of your contributions have brought us to the situation we find ourselves. ( VISA going to 1%)






Why should I retire, I still make more money than you in a given month even though I'm only a just an old boxer
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R-n, I have no idea what you make, and I know you have no idea what I make. We both of a lot of other interests outside adult.






City Soap had nothing to do with us not delivering, we had the site up and running with an affiliate program and the apartment wired and hot. Admit it, you didn't care about the $100k of equipment I put in, or my programmers time, you just pulled the plug. I'm glad you did, I wouldn't wantto be your partner.
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You put in 100k in equipment which you got back. Your employees were great... I love them all. I however put out over $350k in CASH on CitySoap. It is all documented, I can send it over to you if you wish. That is why I pulled the plug, because the faily operating expenses were being funded with MY checkbook.



Talk to my employees, shows how much you know about the way our business runs, I hardly talk to my techs and programmers, they're all self motivated. Just more of your lies. Talk about having no skill at pissing, in case you haven't noticed, you're not doing too well here roflmao
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They are self motivated, and great workers. But none take the iniative on anything major until they hear from you. Its your management style, its ok. I just think you would do better giving them more slack....




You keep personally attacking me for my age and my health, what's wrong with you?
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HEHE :winkwink: Yeah I know I shoul be more respectful to my elders.

Mike are you going to license with Acacia or take the chance of 6 years of exposure with your sites? That would probably break your ass :)

If you knew Ron, why would you still be suggesting he has walked away with some stock when he is already stated several times that he does not own the stock, each time worded differently to satisfy the next person questioning it.


Who in this industry can prove Ron Levi to be a liar and a man who has not lived up to his word?

Why do you think people in the industry like SleazyDream say "Ok Ron, thats good enough for me." when he sais "I don't own any of the stock.".

Some of you guys are worse than political mud slingers I swear.



Where the fuck have you been?

You think FM is a "Normal Guy" in this industry??

And sure he helps himself -- by helping other people. If you are doing a deal with him, obviously you have something to gain from it.. and obviously you thought the deal was good enough to accept it in the first place.

Why would he give money away for free? It's business.


By all means, if you are loaning/giving out money for free.... please let us know - times are hard ya know, we could all use a little extra :glugglug

R-n, I am too lazy to stalk anyone.... I can pay someone to stalk you if you want!


Oh, you missed the Two Fiddy part of the post!

http://www.randyshomestead.com/images/anipopcorn.gif

Someone pass the salt please.

Mike I got no stock from Acacia, why do you insist on spreading these lies after I've already told you that earlier in this thread, grabbing at straws? The only Grand Poobah here is you :) roflmao

There you go again with this Godfather sh-t, I've never uttered those words from my lips, so they must be yours :)

GoBigTime.... Please re-read my posts.

I guess I am getting old as well. I was pretty sure that R-n has held himself out as an industry leader, yadda yadda yadda...

But if you look above, he says that he does not do that...

So I guess my arguement is moot.

But if you watch that great flash file, you may see how I could be misled into thinking R-n had a R-n complex.

Well I'm leaving for City Walk now, because I don't have a life according to MikeAI.

Post what you will. I'll answer when I return from having no life :)

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Mike I got no stock from Acacia, why do you insist on spreading these lies after I've already told you that earlier in this thread, grabbing at straws? The only Grand Poobah here is you roflmao
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R-n I was saying that you are a smooth enough negotiater, I would not put it past you. It was a compliment.

I cannpt be a Grand PooBah, I don't have the hat for it!






There you go again with this Godfather sh-t, I've never uttered those words from my lips, so they must be yours
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Again, this must be my mistake. I am getting old as well.... I always thought you held yourself out as the creator, savier, player, etc... of the industry.

I guess R-n is just a regular Joe....

The flash file is nothing short of HILLARIOUS.

Btw, does BradShaw have mangled lobster hands or is it just because "Shaw" rhymes with "claw"... either way, "brad" pounding on the keyboard and fumbling for the phones is the funniest part of that video... well that and scourge and the "Mmmmm goats." lol man.

If anyone hasn't watched it... you're missing out. I don't even know what half of this nonsense is all about, but I've read about the brad stuff & everyone knows serge :)

Well I'm leaving for City Walk now, because I don't have a life according to MikeAI.

Post what you will. I'll answer when I return from having no life
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R-n now you are taking my arguements....

You were happy to slam me unopposed this afternoon....

I will give you the respect, and will continue the piss later in the week.

Have fun old man.... :winkwink:

pass the butter

Who is Acacia?

Thank you,

Juicycock

http://www.off-road.com/isuzu/gifs/moab/rock.jpg

Welcome truck-dweller!

We bring you this broadcast live to the rock you have been living under.

OKay Folks, here is where vintage MikeAI now softens up after pitching all the hate and poison - nice touch, ey?

Now I'm leaving.....

I have been saing this for 2 years +

I love it. When it first came out I had everyone I know watch it. Even my mom and granny loved it!!

The only thing that sucked was spending the 30 minutes explaining it to friends and family who are not in the biz!!

Anytime I am in a bad mood, I watch it and it always cheers me up!!

I still call Sharky Shrimpy..... :winkwink:

Mike please tell Opti on O p r a n o that I never owned Agecheck. It's funny how there are all these stories out there about me with no foundation whatsoever. Makes me feel important, now I'm really leaving :)

OKay Folks, here is where vintage MikeAI now softens up after pitching all the hate and poison - nice touch, ey?
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R-n, not hate. Hate is a strong word. I do not think I hate anyone actually.

I just think you are an egotistical, self centered bafoon. I think some of your business practices harm the industry.

That is all....

What you see as "hate and poison" I see as proving the King has no clothes.

Life is to short for "hate and poison".....

I don't see how you can blame any one company and/or person for that.

For better or worse, the entire industry has adopted billing tactics that have brought on the Visa crack down.

While CE may have contributed or spearheaded certain billing practices, it wasn't like they could force the entire industry to do the same.

Thousands of webmasters did the same --- willingly.

Mike please tell Opti on O p r a n o that I never owned Agecheck. It's funny how there are all these stories out there about me with no foundation whatsoever. Makes me feel important, now I'm really leaving
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R-n, get going.... at your age, every minute is precious!

TheTrog, you are very right. CE and R-n did not cause this single handedly. Hoever, they did help contribute to it.

Babenet is another...

I am sure we could make a pretty decent size list....

But just because a person/company is not 100% responsible, does not mean the should not be called out on it.

Ask Mike from SilverCash, I call it like I see it. Nothing more, nothing less.

I get frustrated when I see people who put this industry at risk with their actions. I am happy doing what I do, and do not want this industry to collpase upon itself. I have always spoke up on issues like this, and have always said that WE as an industry are our own worst enemy.

R-n, babenet and otehrs have done more damage to the long term viability of this industry then the Federal Gov't ever could dream about.

Could one of you haters <i>please</i> explain how Ron (or TNC, now, as we learned in this thread) have "sacrificed" everyone else by signing the license agreement with Acacia?

Sure. CECash is now sharing a % of their gross with Acacia, and i guess you could argue that those funds are being used to take on the IMPA. But at the same time, CECash is supporting the IMPA, which is more than can be said for you guys. Hypocrites. Sure, Ron, TNC and CECash might very well be helping themselves by helping out the IMPA, but they're also helping the rest of us by doing so. You guys are fucking sad. Flogging a dead horse.

Well, I do agree with you on that one. Unfortunately, unethical billing practices cause all kinds of problems for the few honest webmasters who do run clean sites.

Just a note though: IMHO, your arguments would carry more weight if you would stick with the issues/facts rather than hurling personal insults.

I'm no fan of CE, but you've almost got me siding with Ron here with the name calling.

You must be new here.... :Graucho

hello

FM and Brad...

For two professional owners of long standing and respected programs you are both acting like children.

Maybe its time to stop the slagging and get on with your own biz ? Im sure you both have better things to do with your time than check these boards for the latest gossip...

Saying that, my own servers are down right now following a hack so whatever your doing on your own servers to keep them up then let me in on the secret.. but then, at least the server probs have given me the time to read this EPIC thread...

You both appear to have personal issues with each other - Is it not best kept personal ? Slagging each other off on these boards isnt the answer Im sure - for all it is entertaining for the rest of us...

AdultEarner. Welcome and Go Fuck Yourself.

Wish I could, would save a fortune in rent boys and girls Im sure... :)

This can't be over. I was hoping to come back and see some more entertainment. I WANT MORE DIRT!!!!:waaaaahh

Oh but that wouldn't be any fun now would it...

Newbie.

Back from City Walk......

AdultEarners if you look you will see Brad drew first blood. I usually NEVER attack someone personally, but when called out, I will not back down.

Without attacking me personally MikeAI really has nothing to say, it's the only way he knows :)

thank you :thumbsup

FM, the attackers from Florida and Texas have gone to bed. Care to meet me in Hollywood for a cup of coffee? We can write your biography and name all the names!

This is incorrect. Their patenets do not refer to a specific type of compression, but to sending media from one place to another using certain means.

The patents ARE overly broad, but as mentioned earlier this IS legalized extortion. The gatekeeper is supposed to be the USPTO, but as everyone knows this has become a joke.

So who are the real people behind that hilarious Agent 69 cartoon?

Lobster Boy = Brad Shaw
IkeOU = Mike AI
Shrimpy = Sharky
Skinny Phillips = ?
Cyberguy = KManrox
Scourge = Serge Birbrair

All of the mud slingin in the world isn't gonna help a thing with this Acacia stuff..
especially with the way they're entering into it..
You can mark my word, unless the judge jumps right on top of the issues, it's not gonna be about 'patent infringement' .. it's gonna be about porn..

These lawyers are gonna turn this into fiasco with, "Our children are being put in harms way by being able to watch porn movies using our patented process" .. and anything else that will keep the real issue as far back on the burner as possible..

Anything that will make the jury believe they are right..

The words "porn", "adult Sites", or anything else that has to do with this industry needs to be disallowed as reference in the court because it has nothing to do with the content being streamed... it's all to do with whether or not the streams are being sent through a patented process..
I just hope the defense drives this home with the judge and enters such a motion, or it's gonna be the L.A. police dept. on trial instead of O.J. again... so to speak..

Nah, you got one of these wrong already Luke.

Poor Duck - his investigative "skills" can't even come up with information on something that's almost 2 years old. :1orglaugh

bla bla bla bla, bla bla, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

If anything this proves that getting rich in this biz years ago took more luck than brains. Too bad I was stuck in the corporate world still.

strange to read all this and no post from serge, sometime I miss the russian;)


oh btw, looking forward to seeing you all in fl :glugglug

He'll be dissappointed. 4 sure. :)

I find ,if you find yourself missing Serge,you need a laser sight ;)



ahahahahahahahahahahaha

His guess REALLY show how dumb he is.I mean....................

correct....I wish to GOD that I was in this game back in the early days.....

But you still needed SOME brains to get rich, even back in the day....But now, you can be a genius and be broke so you can't really compare today's atmosphere with years ago..

My take on this is that FM sold his business but was required to have an escrow account to cover representations and warranties made to the new owners. This is common practice in the sale of companies, as is the employment contract for ongoing management after the sale. A potentially huge liability from Acacia throws a monkey wrench into this sale. So FM settles with Acacia to remove this potential liability. While I am sure this can be fairly characterized as a move to protect CE's ongoing business, this looks like it also was protecting the sale of CE from running afoul. To me this shouldn't be read as a testament to the strength of Acacia's case since there were issues here that are unique to CE and not the adult industry as a whole.

Thread change....

We figured it out... Acacia is screwed :helpme

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=150570

Very good points.