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MicroChick 07-06-2003 05:58 PM

I can't be too rough on you, Mike, because I like Katie. If you had enough taste to select her, you can't be all bad.:thumbsup

How about some more travel pictures. You would surely get some points for sharing your *other* life with us. Confucy here.

Nickatilynx 07-06-2003 05:58 PM

Quote:

like he just picked up random muthafuckas off of the street, taught them everything they knew, and made them rich
BVF,

That was pretty much it,in my case

Back in the day...

All I did was post on YNOT that I was offered an exclusive traffic contract from Xpics.

I then received coaching from FM (many phonecalls) and The General on numerous subjects concerning this biz.

They made me rich.

Of course I then took the VERY expensive and extensive post graduate course offered by Scottpb and Serge.

;-)

goBigtime 07-06-2003 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
What's the patent #? I want to look it up and post it here...
#5,253,275
#5,550,863
#6,002,720

The above are "open continuations" of patent #5,132,992, an "Audio and Video Receiving and Transmission System," which was issued in July 1992.

The fifth patent, #6,144, 702, is described as a "division" of the 1992 patent and was approved in November of 2000.


(From Silicon Investor)

Mike AI 07-06-2003 06:05 PM

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If you were the attorney for cecash and received an offer from Acacia offering cecash no cost liscensing ,what would your advice be?
Nick, I know you know how to read! :winkwink:

As I have said till I am blue in the face:

I have no doubt R-n made a prudent business decision. Hell, knowing R-n, he probably walked with some stiock.

My issue is the hypocracy of R-n who has always held himself out to be the creater, the Grand PoohBah of the industry, the Playa of all Playas, is NONE of the above.

He is just a normal guy who does what is in HIS best interest, even if that means sacrificing everyone else.

I would have done the same thing. Nick, we KNOW you would have done the same thing. Difference is, neither one of us hold ourselves out as the Godfather of the Industry like R-n does.

That is all.... nothing more, nothing less.

Mike AI 07-06-2003 06:08 PM

Quote:

I can't be too rough on you, Mike, because I like Katie. If you had enough taste to select her, you can't be all bad.
I definately lucked out. Katie is awesome... I wish everyone could be as happy as we are!

We still take tons of photos, I will get some online soon. We are heading back to New Orleans tommorow, then next week will be out in Santa Monica for 2 weeks.

MicroChick 07-06-2003 06:16 PM

Mike, don't expect too much sunshine at the beach in Santa Monica. We are having cool overcast muggy days. Right now there is a breeze blowing, and a hazy sky. Los Angeles is dry and fires are popping up in the outer areas. I'll see if I can put together some sunshine for you so you can get some good beach shots.

You might want to stay and take the Calif Bar Exam. I'm sure FM can always use a good attorney!:)

Mike AI 07-06-2003 06:19 PM

Confucy, I am heading out there for work.

We have been shooting a few new series for PureCash.. We have a very ambitious shooting schedule for those 2 weeks.

We may take a quick trip up to SacTo for the weekend to visit the in-laws, maybe hit Tahoe.

fantasyman 07-06-2003 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI


R-n, unlike you - I have never held myself out as an industry leader. I do not go around like a old peacock strutting around trying to raise my worn out and old feathers.

I am just a guy who stumbled into the biz in 1996, and have worked hard to try a make a living. Nothing more, nothing less.... I do not need to list my contributions, those who have been around long enough, know the score.

Those who can get past your propaganda, and see you for what you are... an egotistical,lying old man - who would sell his own mother down the river for a buck.

At one time you were something, but now you are hardly a shadow of yourself.... you still sprinkle out a few bread crumbs to get the hungry dumb ducks to follow, but your days are behind.

Must hurt? Kind of like an old boxer, who once was a heavy weight champ, but now is 10 years past his prime. Who steps into the ring and gets his face bashed in. Take a hint, RETIRE now.

As far as City Soap, I pulled the plug because it was going no where.... the main reason was our partners in NY.... but we were months behind schedule because of your operation. Everyone who works for you is terified to do anything without your approval. You really need to learn not to micro-manage... ( You have great guys working for you, let them do work, and not cower in the corner waiting for you to bark out orders)

As far as all of your other accusations, all lies and fabrications... Bar Results are public record in the State of Louisiana.... I will give you bet you $1,000,000 cash if you can document and evidence I failed the bar. I know you won't take the bet, because you know the truth... you are just trying to throw as much bullshit at the wall and see if any sticks...

You used to have a skill at pissing.... but now you are an old man, with bladder problems... You really should get that prostate checked more often!

Mike I keep seeing you post this garb about industry leader, I have never uttered those words, so they're either your words or someone elses, get off this rhetoric already.

Yes and when you started in 1996 you either had a Fast Cash account or a Clickcash account. That's how you funded yourself into this, on our money, that's just a simple fact.

Why should I retire, I still make more money than you in a given month even though I'm only a just an old boxer :)

City Soap had nothing to do with us not delivering, we had the site up and running with an affiliate program and the apartment wired and hot. Admit it, you didn't care about the $100k of equipment I put in, or my programmers time, you just pulled the plug. I'm glad you did, I wouldn't wantto be your partner.

Talk to my employees, shows how much you know about the way our business runs, I hardly talk to my techs and programmers, they're all self motivated. Just more of your lies. Talk about having no skill at pissing, in case you haven't noticed, you're not doing too well here :) roflmao

You keep personally attacking me for my age and my health, what's wrong with you?

Nickatilynx 07-06-2003 06:21 PM

Quote:

I would have done the same thing. Nick, we KNOW you would have done the same thing.
:thumbsup

Mike,

The best thing I ever did was become evil :)
No one has any expectations :) :thumbsup

It is so freeing being the bad guy :)

Oh and Mike.....

SAying FM is an aging boxer is a poor analagy....

The last thing a boxer loses is............... his punch!!!!!

;)

If I was you ,Mike,I'd remeber to bob and weave ;)

fantasyman 07-06-2003 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI
Nothing better to do on such a nice Sunday afternoon.... just got back from a nice picnic with my family. R-n take some time to enjoy the small things in life.

The whole take off on player hater is pretty funny. R-n defines himself based on money, and what money can buy.

How old are you R-n? What do you have to show for yor life? An ex-wife who hates your guts? Lots of ex-partners who feel the exact same way? Does it make you feel better about yourself when you cruise in your sl55?

I pitty you R-n, you are a lost soul, the Scrooge McDuck of the Internet.... nothing more, nothing less.

R-n you are not a player.... you are a loney, bitter, old man, who has a few bucks. Guess what?? You're not the only one who has money... and the funny thing is, you are old enough to be my dad!!

Your time has come, you're on the decline... and from what I see its a pretty steap slope. Hold on old timer, the ride is going to get rough!

Mike, for the 4th of July I had 350+ people at my house for my annual party. We had rock climbing walls, obstical course, DJ, Hawaiian Dancers, photographers, videographers and the house rocked.

I have guests in from out of town for the party and yesterday we recovered from the party and then spent the night in Hollywood.

Today we've been chillin in the pool, playing volleyball, looking at footage from the party. I've been posting in between all this. Tonite we're going to Universal City Walk for dinner and another good time. So don't worry about me, I have a real life away from the Internet and enjoy my life every day to the fullest. Anyone who knows me, knows I always give them the advice to do the same, live each day like it's your last, as I do, everyday!!

Let's get it right about the ex-wife, I hate her, she wants to be friends, that will never happen. I believe in the saying 'first time, shame on them second time, shame on you. Keep spinning your lies about sh-t you know nothing about. Sounds like you've made a study of my life thru you're sick eyes.

Mike, you seem to have even copid my lifestyle down to cars, you have an SL55 also along with a collection of other cars, like me, but I did that first too :) LOL

You're obviously the bitter person you try to make out of me, it's so clear, everybody reading this can see it. That's how unintelligent you are, you don't even know when you're exposing yourself.

You keep beating me up about my age and how I'm a has been, why are you following all things that I've done and try to do them yourself? Yes, I might be as old as your Dad, but you're still a major loser and that will never change.

fantasyman 07-06-2003 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI
Darren, I could respond to each and every part - which question interests you the most?

I just got back in from a nice afternoon with my family....

As far as putting out proof, I have been documenting R-n's shady business practices for years.... It is common knowledge.

I have a feeling you must be one of R-n's $friends$

I will be around for a 15 minutes or so, so ask your question, raise your issues, I will answer all. If not, then I suggest you GFY....

:321GFY

See that folks, he's admitted how obsessed he is with me, I better take out a restraining order, next thing you know he'll be stalking me :)

Mike AI 07-06-2003 06:33 PM

Mike I keep seeing you post this garb about industry leader, I have never uttered those words, so they're either your words or someone elses, get off this rhetoric already.
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Hmmm well I must have confused you with someone else...

I am going to retort to each point, so Darren does not think I am ducking anything.





Yes and when you started in 1996 you either had a Fast Cash account or a Clickcash account. That's how you funded yourself into this, on our money, that's just a simple fact.
______________________________________


I am sure you have the exact numbers somewhere on a DB, but I did not make much money from your early. I was getting checks fed exed to me by Al. This is what helped me boot strap myself.

I give you props R-n, I always have that you were a founder of the industry. Too bad many of your contributions have brought us to the situation we find ourselves. ( VISA going to 1%)






Why should I retire, I still make more money than you in a given month even though I'm only a just an old boxer
________________________________


R-n, I have no idea what you make, and I know you have no idea what I make. We both of a lot of other interests outside adult.






City Soap had nothing to do with us not delivering, we had the site up and running with an affiliate program and the apartment wired and hot. Admit it, you didn't care about the $100k of equipment I put in, or my programmers time, you just pulled the plug. I'm glad you did, I wouldn't wantto be your partner.
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You put in 100k in equipment which you got back. Your employees were great... I love them all. I however put out over $350k in CASH on CitySoap. It is all documented, I can send it over to you if you wish. That is why I pulled the plug, because the faily operating expenses were being funded with MY checkbook.



Talk to my employees, shows how much you know about the way our business runs, I hardly talk to my techs and programmers, they're all self motivated. Just more of your lies. Talk about having no skill at pissing, in case you haven't noticed, you're not doing too well here roflmao
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They are self motivated, and great workers. But none take the iniative on anything major until they hear from you. Its your management style, its ok. I just think you would do better giving them more slack....




You keep personally attacking me for my age and my health, what's wrong with you?
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HEHE :winkwink: Yeah I know I shoul be more respectful to my elders.

fantasyman 07-06-2003 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI
BigDog, PureCash will have PPS, and Revshare.

Our reality sites, movie sites, and normaly generic porn sites ( big cock, teen, etc..) will have trials. The PPS will be an invite only program. To help combat fraud, I want to know each webmaster who sends me PPS traffic.

I will also have single girl amateur sites ( kind of my niche, and contribution to the industry) that will be PPS, but will NOT offer trials. Trials do not work for these type of sites. ( though I will offer trials for revshare as a experiment)

We started beta testing last Friday with our own traffic, so far things are going along very well.

Mike are you going to license with Acacia or take the chance of 6 years of exposure with your sites? That would probably break your ass :)

goBigtime 07-06-2003 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI
...I have no doubt R-n made a prudent business decision. Hell, knowing R-n, he probably walked with some stiock.

If you knew Ron, why would you still be suggesting he has walked away with some stock when he is already stated several times that he does not own the stock, each time worded differently to satisfy the next person questioning it.


Who in this industry can prove Ron Levi to be a liar and a man who has not lived up to his word?


Why do you think people in the industry like SleazyDream say "Ok Ron, thats good enough for me." when he sais "I don't own any of the stock.".

Some of you guys are worse than political mud slingers I swear.


Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI
....He is just a normal guy who does what is in HIS best interest, even if that means sacrificing everyone else.

Where the fuck have you been?

You think FM is a "Normal Guy" in this industry??

And sure he helps himself -- by helping other people. If you are doing a deal with him, obviously you have something to gain from it.. and obviously you thought the deal was good enough to accept it in the first place.

Why would he give money away for free? It's business.


By all means, if you are loaning/giving out money for free.... please let us know - times are hard ya know, we could all use a little extra :glugglug

Mike AI 07-06-2003 06:36 PM

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See that folks, he's admitted how obsessed he is with me, I better take out a restraining order, next thing you know he'll be stalking me
R-n, I am too lazy to stalk anyone.... I can pay someone to stalk you if you want!


Oh, you missed the Two Fiddy part of the post!

Pornwolf 07-06-2003 06:37 PM

http://www.randyshomestead.com/images/anipopcorn.gif

Someone pass the salt please.

fantasyman 07-06-2003 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI


Nick, I know you know how to read! :winkwink:

As I have said till I am blue in the face:

I have no doubt R-n made a prudent business decision. Hell, knowing R-n, he probably walked with some stiock.

My issue is the hypocracy of R-n who has always held himself out to be the creater, the Grand PoohBah of the industry, the Playa of all Playas, is NONE of the above.

He is just a normal guy who does what is in HIS best interest, even if that means sacrificing everyone else.

I would have done the same thing. Nick, we KNOW you would have done the same thing. Difference is, neither one of us hold ourselves out as the Godfather of the Industry like R-n does.

That is all.... nothing more, nothing less.

Mike I got no stock from Acacia, why do you insist on spreading these lies after I've already told you that earlier in this thread, grabbing at straws? The only Grand Poobah here is you :) roflmao

There you go again with this Godfather sh-t, I've never uttered those words from my lips, so they must be yours :)

Mike AI 07-06-2003 06:41 PM

GoBigTime.... Please re-read my posts.

I guess I am getting old as well. I was pretty sure that R-n has held himself out as an industry leader, yadda yadda yadda...

But if you look above, he says that he does not do that...

So I guess my arguement is moot.

But if you watch that great flash file, you may see how I could be misled into thinking R-n had a R-n complex.

fantasyman 07-06-2003 06:42 PM

Well I'm leaving for City Walk now, because I don't have a life according to MikeAI.

Post what you will. I'll answer when I return from having no life :)

nosey 07-06-2003 06:45 PM

:1orglaugh

Mike AI 07-06-2003 06:45 PM

Mike I got no stock from Acacia, why do you insist on spreading these lies after I've already told you that earlier in this thread, grabbing at straws? The only Grand Poobah here is you roflmao
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R-n I was saying that you are a smooth enough negotiater, I would not put it past you. It was a compliment.

I cannpt be a Grand PooBah, I don't have the hat for it!






There you go again with this Godfather sh-t, I've never uttered those words from my lips, so they must be yours
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Again, this must be my mistake. I am getting old as well.... I always thought you held yourself out as the creator, savier, player, etc... of the industry.

I guess R-n is just a regular Joe....

goBigtime 07-06-2003 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI
GoBigTime.... Please re-read my posts.

I guess I am getting old as well. I was pretty sure that R-n has held himself out as an industry leader, yadda yadda yadda...

But if you look above, he says that he does not do that...

So I guess my arguement is moot.

But if you watch that great flash file, you may see how I could be misled into thinking R-n had a R-n complex.


The flash file is nothing short of HILLARIOUS.

Btw, does BradShaw have mangled lobster hands or is it just because "Shaw" rhymes with "claw"... either way, "brad" pounding on the keyboard and fumbling for the phones is the funniest part of that video... well that and scourge and the "Mmmmm goats." lol man.

If anyone hasn't watched it... you're missing out. I don't even know what half of this nonsense is all about, but I've read about the brad stuff & everyone knows serge :)

Mike AI 07-06-2003 06:49 PM

Well I'm leaving for City Walk now, because I don't have a life according to MikeAI.

Post what you will. I'll answer when I return from having no life
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R-n now you are taking my arguements....

You were happy to slam me unopposed this afternoon....

I will give you the respect, and will continue the piss later in the week.

Have fun old man.... :winkwink:

bigdog 07-06-2003 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
http://www.randyshomestead.com/images/anipopcorn.gif

Someone pass the salt please.

pass the butter

Juicycock 07-06-2003 06:51 PM

Who is Acacia?

Thank you,

Juicycock

goBigtime 07-06-2003 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Juicycock
Who is Acacia?

Thank you,

Juicycock


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Welcome truck-dweller!

We bring you this broadcast live to the rock you have been living under.

fantasyman 07-06-2003 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI
Well I'm leaving for City Walk now, because I don't have a life according to MikeAI.

Post what you will. I'll answer when I return from having no life
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R-n now you are taking my arguements....

You were happy to slam me unopposed this afternoon....

I will give you the respect, and will continue the piss later in the week.

Have fun old man.... :winkwink:

OKay Folks, here is where vintage MikeAI now softens up after pitching all the hate and poison - nice touch, ey?

Now I'm leaving.....

Mike AI 07-06-2003 06:56 PM

Quote:

The flash file is nothing short of HILLARIOUS.
I have been saing this for 2 years +

I love it. When it first came out I had everyone I know watch it. Even my mom and granny loved it!!

The only thing that sucked was spending the 30 minutes explaining it to friends and family who are not in the biz!!

Anytime I am in a bad mood, I watch it and it always cheers me up!!

I still call Sharky Shrimpy..... :winkwink:

fantasyman 07-06-2003 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI


I have been saing this for 2 years +

I love it. When it first came out I had everyone I know watch it. Even my mom and granny loved it!!

The only thing that sucked was spending the 30 minutes explaining it to friends and family who are not in the biz!!

Anytime I am in a bad mood, I watch it and it always cheers me up!!

I still call Sharky Shrimpy..... :winkwink:

Mike please tell Opti on O p r a n o that I never owned Agecheck. It's funny how there are all these stories out there about me with no foundation whatsoever. Makes me feel important, now I'm really leaving :)

Mike AI 07-06-2003 07:00 PM

OKay Folks, here is where vintage MikeAI now softens up after pitching all the hate and poison - nice touch, ey?
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R-n, not hate. Hate is a strong word. I do not think I hate anyone actually.

I just think you are an egotistical, self centered bafoon. I think some of your business practices harm the industry.

That is all....

What you see as "hate and poison" I see as proving the King has no clothes.

Life is to short for "hate and poison".....

thetrog 07-06-2003 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI


Too bad many of your contributions have brought us to the situation we find ourselves. ( VISA going to 1%)


I don't see how you can blame any one company and/or person for that.

For better or worse, the entire industry has adopted billing tactics that have brought on the Visa crack down.

While CE may have contributed or spearheaded certain billing practices, it wasn't like they could force the entire industry to do the same.

Thousands of webmasters did the same --- willingly.

Mike AI 07-06-2003 07:02 PM

Mike please tell Opti on O p r a n o that I never owned Agecheck. It's funny how there are all these stories out there about me with no foundation whatsoever. Makes me feel important, now I'm really leaving
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R-n, get going.... at your age, every minute is precious!

Mike AI 07-06-2003 07:08 PM

TheTrog, you are very right. CE and R-n did not cause this single handedly. Hoever, they did help contribute to it.

Babenet is another...

I am sure we could make a pretty decent size list....

But just because a person/company is not 100% responsible, does not mean the should not be called out on it.

Ask Mike from SilverCash, I call it like I see it. Nothing more, nothing less.

I get frustrated when I see people who put this industry at risk with their actions. I am happy doing what I do, and do not want this industry to collpase upon itself. I have always spoke up on issues like this, and have always said that WE as an industry are our own worst enemy.

R-n, babenet and otehrs have done more damage to the long term viability of this industry then the Federal Gov't ever could dream about.

chodadog 07-06-2003 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI
He is just a normal guy who does what is in HIS best interest, even if that means sacrificing everyone else.
Could one of you haters <i>please</i> explain how Ron (or TNC, now, as we learned in this thread) have "sacrificed" everyone else by signing the license agreement with Acacia?

Sure. CECash is now sharing a % of their gross with Acacia, and i guess you could argue that those funds are being used to take on the IMPA. But at the same time, CECash is supporting the IMPA, which is more than can be said for you guys. Hypocrites. Sure, Ron, TNC and CECash might very well be helping themselves by helping out the IMPA, but they're also helping the rest of us by doing so. You guys are fucking sad. Flogging a dead horse.

thetrog 07-06-2003 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI

I have always spoke up on issues like this, and have always said that WE as an industry are our own worst enemy.


Well, I do agree with you on that one. Unfortunately, unethical billing practices cause all kinds of problems for the few honest webmasters who do run clean sites.

Just a note though: IMHO, your arguments would carry more weight if you would stick with the issues/facts rather than hurling personal insults.

I'm no fan of CE, but you've almost got me siding with Ron here with the name calling.

Mike AI 07-06-2003 07:38 PM

Quote:

Just a note though: IMHO, your arguments would carry more weight if you would stick with the issues/facts rather than hurling personal insults.
You must be new here.... :Graucho

EscortBiz 07-06-2003 07:45 PM

hello

AdultEarners 07-06-2003 09:31 PM

FM and Brad...

For two professional owners of long standing and respected programs you are both acting like children.

Maybe its time to stop the slagging and get on with your own biz ? Im sure you both have better things to do with your time than check these boards for the latest gossip...

Saying that, my own servers are down right now following a hack so whatever your doing on your own servers to keep them up then let me in on the secret.. but then, at least the server probs have given me the time to read this EPIC thread...

You both appear to have personal issues with each other - Is it not best kept personal ? Slagging each other off on these boards isnt the answer Im sure - for all it is entertaining for the rest of us...

Rick Latona 07-06-2003 09:33 PM

AdultEarner. Welcome and Go Fuck Yourself.

AdultEarners 07-06-2003 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
Welcome and Go Fuck Yourself.
Wish I could, would save a fortune in rent boys and girls Im sure... :)


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