5%?

Not worth the fucking time.

I know its wasnt the money bro, it was helping a friend
TOM

a friend or someone you hung out with at a party? ;)

No man I have known gary and shot content for gary several times over the last 2.5 years, i just met him in person at the montreal show...
TOM

dont get mad, but how can you consider someone a friend when you only met that person once? talking to someone online doesnt make them a friend (at least not where i come from).

i hope it all works out for you really cause i hear you are a good guy and a situation like this will make you think twice about ever helping someone out again (someone who really needs help).

Cassie Thank you ma'am you have allways stated good things about me and I do thank you, you are 100% right in your statment, I have helped so many people and never got burned by helping, I really think its time to become a complete dick and help only me. *shrugs* thanks again
TOM

That's true.

I wasn't saying anything bad about Gary, Ive done some work for him and he was quick with payment and all went well.

You guys probably were a bit more than just business I guess.

Anyway, sucks to see it happen, I wouldnt get myself involved in anything like that with anyone from this board though, no matter how many times they bought from me.

Hope it works out folks.

:winkwink:

Man this Gary and Tracy are some serious scammers........Tom I'm sorry you got cought up in some shit like this. I never did like that Goat Humping Gary fucker...always thought he was strange, (even for gfy).....
Tom I hope this all works out for you.

nah dont become that way....then you will take what little faith i have in the human race away :winkwink:

you did say that this guy was sending out emails with your name in the signature. i dont know if this will help, but see if you can get a hold of those emails for it will state where they came from and give it to the detective who is working on your case. i do think you will be cleared of this, especially since other people were involved like you. it's just a pain in the ass to have to go thru this, i know :(

chin up hun....things will be ok :)

Tom,
Sorry to hear all this, you are a good guy and it is a shame that someone would do you like that! I know that you helped me when I need it and now you can't help other people cuz now you have to think that everone will rip you off!



What a shame




:(

oh i got all the emials anyone that wrote me asking where there stuff was i asked them to send me all the emails that they got from him, as for me becomming a dick i prolly wont but i sure dont want to help anyone anytime soon :(

What really sucks is I allowed this to happen to myself, my site was doing awesome converting great still is but im not getting paid for it, acpay sends to my paypal and paypal holds and and sends the money after 10 days to the people that paid my account money, ive got tons of orders that were prepaid for via paypal so now im working for free cause I WONT let these clients down..... im so backed up right now with these orders i can not do anything else to try and pull a head of the game again. things were going so damn good after the vegas show then poof i screw up and basicly gave everything ive worked for away. Ole well shit happens eh? lol

TOM

Well I have no problem helping out and will continue to help out any way I can Tom. Hopefully Gary will stand up and take some responsibility for the bullshit he's dealing with your life. Hopefully he will remember that you have a home and children to look after as well, and realize that ruining your life isn't worth it.

Tom you should have another form of payment setup besides PayPal anyway, it's too unreliable. Start taking checks, money orders, and join a few other PayPal like programs. I've heard good things about StormPay, might want to check into them.

Don't put all of your eggs in one basket. I personally refuse to take payment via PayPal, they're just too shaky. I'd rather risk getting a rubber check than putting my life in PayPal's hands.

Hey thanks for the content LadyM it helps but I wont take no more help from anyone since i was this stupid and my mess I will clean it up myself, sink or swim eh? This is the hardest lesson i have to learn and if I go and beg for help to get out of this wonder if I would really learn a lesson? Life sucks to have a black cloud hanging around you, im used to it and with this blackcloud and all the other bullshit I do want to let you and everyone else know from the bottom of my heart I WILL NEVER fuck anyone over from this board to my members to my friends and enemies, Im having problems sleeping, and my ulcer is bleeding heavy again, just cause It is hard to think that there are people out there that think TOM KISER scammed them and their kids birthday money

Thank again for the content LadyM and Jact you all are wonderful people.
TOM

I'm doubtful about stormpay given current Visa regulations...they accept adult and MLM transactions. Their whole system is sheisty.

http://www.c2it.com is a service from Citibank, they are decent. Last time I used them domestic transfers were free, now I'm not sure.

I'd also look at Yahoo's payment service.

yea I did I had yahoo but that went ot my bank account which is in the RED now cause of paypal, ive tried to get epassport and KIM has tried sent me the contracts was even allowing me to take photos of the contracts and send them to her, but I have NO MONEY at this moment to buy a new printer since my 4 year old was trying to help me and poured wind X all inside my printer thinking he was going to clean it for dady when his mommy was watching him and I wasnt FUCKING HOME argh@#$ I swear their mom is to stupid to relize how stupid she is she is WORSE THEM ME and that is hard to do, ole well i will pull through this ive been in tight spots before thanks sly for helping me to clear this up with your friend that got fucked as well,

TOM

You'll get it worked out :) I hope so at least ;) Keep a positive attitude and keep hoping :)

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that sucks dude. hopefully things work out for you.

people don't like to hear it, but... trust no one.

I accused Gary and 12clicks of hitbotting me once... maybe I WAS right...

I'd disagree strongly with that but then as in 'real life' there's a lot of factors.

As this has been bumped hope it's all working out Tom. You're one of the nicest guys I know and one of the few people I'd trust 110% in this business.

I don't understand why they would need to ask to use your Ebay account? How hard is it to get an account on Ebay any way?

Requesting to use his Ebay and PayPal account should have been a huge red flag.

No shit. If someone asked me to use an Ebay account I had friend or not I'd just tell them to get thier own and tell them just like the ads say. Registration is free and easy. :D

Tom

It sounds as if you are caught up in a hell of a mess/scam...if you have not already done so...I would advise you to get legal counsel immediately...as it sounds as if it all has been laid on your doorstep...and at best you are going to be, at least in part, liable for whatever consequences may come from this.

I would trade my "rabbits foot" in for something else...if I were you.

:1orglaugh

:)

Tom if there's anything i can do to help, give me an email

i'd consider giving them the benefit of the doubt, that bad luck screwed up their little Ebay business ......... but when you pay somebody to use his Paypal and Ebay accounts you know something weird is up .... either they'd been banned by Ebay and Paypal for previous scams or they deliberately used Tom as a fall guy for this scam cuz they targeted him as a gullible 'nice guy'.

very sad.

Hey guys and gals Thank you so much for the help/tips I would of fig i would of been flamed harder for being so stupid in letting them use my shit, thanks, when your as nieve as I am you dont think this will ever happen friends dont FUCK friends... tomorrow will be D day for me Im turning myself into the police along with all the emails and a huge statment I have written up. Wish me luck... Thanks aGAIN

tom

agreed. being asked to lend your account to someone else would have set alarms off in my head.


damn Tom. hope this works out for ya man. hate to see it happen, but i wouldnt count on gary or his wife getting shit straight....i'd be getting some legal advise quick. :2 cents:

more likely you were an asshole. Recalling the small amount of traffic you manage, I'm surpized your still in biz.:thumbsup

"Also, Tom if the cops are still on your ass about this please give them a copy of the letter I wrote to you for social services because in that letter it says that we were the ones that did this and not you."

well maybe im wrong,but if someone was trying to scam you Tom, would he tell you such thing?

What was the total amount of the products sold?

The dates on the emails say alot. After several emails, and telling them the auction winners were breathing down his neck, they promise on a friday to help him out the following monday.. at the latest. The next contact is dated the thursday after that.

Thats just fucked up.. reeks of a scam imo.

At first glance, you would be right. But since the cops were never called on Tom's behalf like mentioned...

i see... among other things, i didn't like the part of mailing people with tom's name. That crossed many lines

Something we like to call fraud. :)

I don't recall being an asshole. I'm suprised I'm still in biz too. If it wasn't for Choker I would have never survived. :)

that sucks Tom, Gary seemed kinda cool in Montreal :(

:winkwink:

Sorry if I missed it, but what was/were the product(s) ?

dvds games and game systems :(

omg Tom this mis bad mate. If there's anything I can do you have my ICQ so just hit me up.

damn tom, read that whole shit. gary and his wife, what a bunch of fucks. if i saw that peice of shit i would cut off his fuckin balls. sounds like a bunch of heroin junkies pulling scams for a fix.

I have a pitchfork!

Who has some torches and 2 ropes??

Let's storm Canada! :1orglaugh

Most of you need to go find a cock to suck on.... Gary is a solid guy and whatever the fuck this is about, it's obviously a problem that is out of his hands. It will be taken care of. Gary is stand up. Always has been.

Chill the fuck out people.

Tom has a home to maintain and children to feed, too. Gary isnt' just fucking with Tom, he's fucking with his children too. Gary step up to the plate and fucking pay up.

For everyone else, order some templates from Tom.. You won't be disappointed.. his work is fucking TOP NOTCH.

WE'll hope it was just a big fuckup all around.. but as of tomorrow it could be beyond out of his hands.. Tom COULD go to jail for this :(

this just makes me sick. some people in this world.. i just dunno.

i've been ripped off twice on ebay and it wasn't a nice feeling