You are the fucking liar...not I...post a quote where I ever said that money "would never be a problem". I said we will find the money to do what is deemed necessary. I have not lied and I have not changed the fucking subject...motherfucker. You read and do not comprehend and it is a major problem for you.

Centurion:

Dammit yeah! What's their number? :winkwink:

Shit .. that was bombed last week!

I have a friend who is currently assigned to the UN in Baghdad.. the last I heard was there is a growing feeling the Iraqi's don't want "occupation". But at the same time, they appeared willing to have international help. I ain't been able to contact lately.. no suprise! But heard from my friend's family he is OK... so expect some "grass roots" feedback again soon.

Apart from "terrorists" I think Iraqi's are getting impatient and this is begining to show. Tis a tense situation all round and could go either way.

Look, guy... The race is not over. Why do you want to judge it now? Because it supports your ideological position?

What is so hard about seeing the big picture? Why do you question thekings citing of history and dismiss it as irrelevant, but offer no other evidence except your opinion.

What part about history do you not get or see as a potential guide?

Do you think that we have not reaped economic gains from Germany and Japan?

You may be right, and Iraq may turn out to be a losing economic situation. But, you are speculating and offering no alternative theory, just criticism. History is also not on your side.

But I forgot, you are the clever person who stated...

"Why would I possibly THINK we may not be able to afford it?
Hmm..maybe because of a simple economics lesson: You can't pay/buy things if you don't have the money for it!"

I guess you have never had a mortgage or a car loan or a line of credit or even any credit card debt????

I don't know where you studied economics. I'd get my money back. :)

Fuck yes, the USA should pay for everything they destroyed to be rebuilt and then say sorry to the Iraqi people before leaving forever.

i am very sorry to the iraqi people.

america is burning in its own shame and disgrace.

there is no more honor to spill for your bible.

Sure.

But first Iraq needs to repay the billions in fuckng damages it did to Kuwait.

Think about it. Iraq invaded Kuwait without reason, took what ever they fucking wanted, raped the women, burned the oil wells to the ground, and then fled in fucking cars they fucking stole.

You can't put a price on this. We are already rebuilding Iraq. Get the fuck over it.

Fletch XXX:

Fletch... I've heard some actual stories from one guy "on the ground" there.. and have to say it is damned pityful. Not many in the western world could even begin to comprehend. I also heard a couple about young US guys (literally kids) in the forces there - equally bad news.

I have no sympathy for anyone who decieved the US people and engaged in this war which has killed many - on both sides - and caused innocent people to starve. And it still continues.. sad shit.

wars are expensive and have bankrupted countries. Right now, US dollar isn't worth too much. Public debt per capita is around $30K per every human in this country. That includes babies too. Add state/local debt to that plus personal debts and it doesn't look too good.

The thing that we still have going for us is that lots of other countries have crappy currencies too which makes ours look a little better.

The sad truth of the matter:

There is always enough money for war, but never enough for peace.

Go to jail..go DIRECTLY to jail..do NOT pass go..do not collect $200 or even 2 cents!

This thread is about how much the war is costing the American taxpayer. You pipe up with "But we've got their oil!" and I asked a simple question: How much money have we made from selling Iraqi oil?

Instead of answering you talk about a "race" (RACE?), join King in fond memories of how we rebuilt Germany & Japan (50 years ago..and they were educated industrialized western countries, not a poor backward country with no infrastructure.)

Then you talked about a CAR LOAN? Geez..is there a nice International Househould Finance were the U.S. can get an interest free loan to pay for all of this?

My point, and this thread's point is that we are throwing money down a rathole in Iraq that we can ill afford to spend right now or continue spending for any indefinite period.

Sad indeed.

Provide your solution...or pretend that you are an adviser to this President or the next President if you prefer.

Let us hear the wisdom of the uncomprehending CENTURION?

Heh. You forgot the bit about stealing the incubators and leaving those poor, defenseless babies to rot on the cold concrete floors.

"The U.S. has a new credibility. What we say goes."
- President George Bush,
NBC Nightly News, Feb. 2, 1991

Now lets really be honest here... Ultimately there is a master plan to control the middle east and Iraq is just a step forward in that direction.

OIL? Sure its about oil but not necessarily the way most people see it. In the Presidents State of the Union speech, he stated that he would be putting budget towards Hydrogen Conversion Technology. He also has ordered that the Oil Reserves in the US be filled to maximum capacity within the next 2 years.

Now if logic serves me, based on what I am seeing, it would appear that soon enough the US gov. will start issuing tax credits to people for switching over to alternate sources of energy aside from OIL. With the reserves being full and less people using OIL as an energy source, the US would then have a SERIOUS stronghold on countries that rely on OIL sales for economic survival. By choking these nations and not needing their resources, it will make it that much easier for the US to walk in and take power.

So, I guess what I am trying to say without being too much of a windbag is that George Bush is gambling with American taxpayers money right now. He is dumping a ton of it into a big Lottery and is hoping that it will ultimately pay off.

While doing this, he is destroying peoples lives and creating a LOT of animosity towards the USA within other countries.

Go Dubyah. Yeah. Moron.

Did not happen.

I assume...and maybe I shouldn't...that you will agree that virtually everything of value was looted?

I can't say with any certainty that that is true.

Have you ever heard the saying: "History is written by the winning side."?

The west is just as good at propaganda as totalitarianist regimes are.

Just as Good? How about they are the MASTERS of it.

I dunno about that. I think G.W. would have had a stroke just trying to think through the first part of that "master plan!":1orglaugh

As I thought...no solution.

Think? hahaha.... um, no... :glugglug

It is the Illuminati that does the thinking. :thumbsup

Did you see the video of the "Highway of Death" which showed the destruction of some of the loot they were trying to escape with...but there are probably those that think the video was filmed staged/made in Hollywood.

No I haven't.

Who did make it?

Hey everyone!

I hope you know "The King" is one of 200 some candidates running for California Governor.

Be sure to vote for him, cuz in his world, he's never wrong, and has a solution for everything!

No wait..that's like all the other politicians.

Never mind!:)

For the most part the "Highway of Death" was video taped by various news organizations around the world...and there was additional video tapes made by the militaries combat photographers...as well as video from military aircraft and from gun cameras. The "Highway of Death" was well documented so I do not know how you could have missed it...and has been shown in virtually every documentary made about the 1st Gulf War. In addition it was the images from the "Highway of Death" that had a large influence on stopping the war 24-48 hours to early.

Juist as I thought...just another uncompredhending clown that runs down our government and the decision makers within that government and has zero solutions.

No I am not running for Governor...I have never been a political activist and I do not intend to start being one now...or ever. My political activism is limited to one vote and an occasional letter to my Congressman.

Bush is a dumbfuck puppet.... but shhh, don't tell anyone I said so. :1orglaugh

I am not pro war, but I can certainly see the economics. There are no certainties in life, so who knows what is going to happen and there is no doubt that there is risk with the move into Iraq. Just like there is risk in everything.

But to discount the potential economic impact of the OIL factor is naive. To cry about it like chicken little is sad.

The difference between you and me, is that I don't presume to know the outcome. Nor do I whine about what could go wrong.

You make stupid statements about not having money to pay for the war when our whole economy is based on credit in the first place. You really do not know much about economics, do you??

Good night chicken little. :)

However, the converse can't be true, they don't have the Hearst Empire in their midst.

They were pissed off Arabs, wha'd you expect they would do?