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baddog 08-25-2003 11:57 PM

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Sarah_Jayne 08-26-2003 02:48 AM

baddog, i remember that case. I was young but I was a new junkie even back then. Was that the one where the woman was acused of putting peanut butter on herself? It just always stuck in my brain.

toonces 08-26-2003 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by baddog


thank you, it is always good to know who the daft are :thumbsup

Actually debated this with some people who brought up some intresting, well thought out points. But your statement is so much more clear, concise and based on facts. I should listen to you...lol

Fletch XXX 08-26-2003 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by AssFairy
No that's not what I said at all, what I said was if you commit violent crimes or are prepared to commit violent crimes then you should expect to serve your sentence with similar criminals.

We all make our own beds but they are not always pleasant to sleep in :2 cents:

I guess you have your own vision of a CORRECTIONAL FACILITY and I have mine.

WicKed NinJas 08-26-2003 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by MSB
god had forgiven him......

A criminals favorite expression..."I can do what I want, God forgave me"


FUCK THAT BULLSHIT, it wasnt brutel enough and he didnt suffer 1/100 of what he did to those kids. His fuckin slack ass should have gotten raped and beaten in the shower.

Carlito 08-26-2003 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by Penthouse_mike


perhaps I could have been more specific.

I don't think he deserved to die as he did.

Here is where I become a bleeding heart. Even though he was a child molester, I can empathise with him, because I think all life, even the life of a child molester, has an intrinsict value.



What about the girls you & other exploit? Not that I don`t believe in porn, just that you are hypocritcal.

Maybe you are a child molestor - and afraid of the consequences, so you side with him.

baddog 08-26-2003 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by sarah_webinc
baddog, i remember that case. I was young but I was a new junkie even back then. Was that the one where the woman was acused of putting peanut butter on herself? It just always stuck in my brain.
I do not remember the peanut butter scenario, but some highlights would include:

Children's Institute International saying 360 kids had been abused. Their method of testing was giving the kids two dolls, anatomically correct, and them drilling them until the kids said what they wanted them to say. The interviewers gave rewards to the kids for disclosing the "right" answers: These were that the children:

were victimized by teachers who were members of an intergenerational Satanic conspiracy.

were required to participate in "major, major sacrifices" connected with the "Satanic Church."

were sexually abused by Ray Buckey who was dressed as a police officer, fireman, clown or Santa Claus.

were forced to act in pornographic movies, and submit to the taking of millions of "kiddy-porn" photographs.

saw the mutilation and killing of animals.

saw an AWOL Marine sodomize a dog.

Were forced to ride naked on a horse.

were forced to engage in Satanic rituals, including ritual murder of infants and drinking of baby's blood.

saw dead and burned babies, flying witches, movie stars and local politicians.

were forced into a coffin and buried.

were molested in a market and a car wash.

were forced to watch while Ray Buckey killed a sea turtle by stabbing its shell with a knife; this was a demonstration of what would happen to the children if they told. (in reality, turtle shells are much too tough to be penetrated with a knife)

were taken to the airport, traveled to Palm Springs either in an airplane or hot air balloon, sexually abused and returned.

were driven from the school in cars, and sexually abused on the side of the highway.

were flushed down toilets, traveled through sewers to a place where adults sexually abused them, cleaned them up and later returned them to the pre-school so they could be picked up by their parents.

were taken through trapdoors in the floor of the center, taken through underground tunnels to both underground and above ground rooms where they were abused. No tunnels were ever found. However, some old trenches which pre-dated the McMartin building and were filled with pre-World War II garbage were located; some claim that they were tunnels that the staff had filled in.

The person responsible for starting this was a mentally insane alcoholic going thru a nasty divorce and was trying to fuck her husband over.

My payback for getting involved with this crap was having one of the main prosecutors later become a Family Law judge that was the judge over the second half of my divorce.

Fletch XXX 08-26-2003 12:07 PM

I laugh when people start bringing up baby killing Satanists.

Can anyone show any proof?

Satanism is Selfism, and if anyone of you picked up the books youd know this.

Man Im glad I read.

Someone please show me proof of baby killing satanic rituals.
Jusg because some sick cult does something, doesnt MAKE IT SATANIC.

Fletch XXX 08-26-2003 12:09 PM

Strictly forbids violence against children.

http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/Theory.html

emthree 08-26-2003 12:11 PM

:thumbsup

Fletch XXX 08-26-2003 12:13 PM

Satan sees children as the Future.

Only your Lord God has asked Abraham to kill his own for him.

baddog 08-26-2003 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I laugh when people start bringing up baby killing Satanists.

Can anyone show any proof?

Satanism is Selfism, and if anyone of you picked up the books youd know this.

Man Im glad I read.

Someone please show me proof of baby killing satanic rituals.
Jusg because some sick cult does something, doesnt MAKE IT SATANIC.

so you understand why my initial belief that something had happened soon changed.

A 1986 survey of residents in Los Angeles County was taken before the first trial. It showed that 90% of the potential jurors believed that Raymond and Peggy were guilty.

3 years later the district attorney dropped all charges against 5 of the adults. Remaining were 52 charges against Ray Buckey and 20 counts against Peggy Buckey, plus a single count of conspiracy. An area telephone survey showed that:

96% of the adults had heard of the case
97% of those with an opinion believed that Ray Buckey was guilty
93% believed that Peggy McMartin was guilty


Everyone was eventually found not guilty. It cost LA millions of dollars and ruined the lives of the McMartins and the Buckeys as well as the lives of several innocent by-standers.

Moral of the story, don't believe everything you read in the papers.

Fletch XXX 08-26-2003 12:21 PM

I just see people talk about 'Baby Killing Satanic Rituals' and always ask for proof.

I never get any.

Its made up. There is no baby killing rituals. From 67 till now, it hasnt changed.

http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven.html

Just because some sick fuck kills a baby, doesnt make it 'Satanic'

Its just for headlines and the people buy it.

:winkwink:

eroswebmaster 08-26-2003 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I just see people talk about 'Baby Killing Satanic Rituals' and always ask for proof.

I never get any.

Its made up. There is no baby killing rituals. From 67 till now, it hasnt changed.

http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven.html

Just because some sick fuck kills a baby, doesnt make it 'Satanic'

Its just for headlines and the people buy it.

:winkwink:

Fletch, I've even read reports, and watched FBI agents in interviews that have stated that during the height of these ritualistic abuse claims (80's) that there was not one shred of evidence that they could find of these types of things every occuring.

Fletch XXX 08-26-2003 12:28 PM

Scientologists kill more people than Satanists.

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/temp/tt970220.htm?FACTNet

:winkwink:

Fletch XXX 08-26-2003 12:33 PM

Christians just killed a 8 year old for their god.

http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/...11940366.shtml

Fletch XXX 08-26-2003 12:36 PM

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Fletch, I've even read reports, and watched FBI agents in interviews that have stated that during the height of these ritualistic abuse claims (80's) that there was not one shred of evidence that they could find of these types of things every occuring.

Fucking geraldo made this shit blow up man.;

Every other show was about Satans kids and shit.

America has been craving satanists since the Manson Family.

And he was nothing more than a racist. Nothing to do with the devil.

Just race war shit.

They have been fascinated with this vision of Satanists since they were burning Kiss Alive 2 by the pile hahaha

1987.

'"Satanic Cults and Children.", 1987-NOV-19
Prior to 1985, Geraldo Rivera worked for ABC News. Subsequently, he hosted a number of national TV special programs which, as one reporter wrote, (1) explored "the twilight zones of American society." One such special discussed the alleged ritual abuse of children by Satanic cults.
He stated: "Estimates are that there are over 1 million Satanists in this country...The majority of them are linked in a highly organized, very secretive network. From small towns to large cities, they have attracted police and FBI attention to their Satanic ritual child abuse, child pornography and grisly Satanic murders. The odds are that this is happening in your town.'

So you see folks, thats how you influence society.

fiction

http://www.religioustolerance.org/geraldo.htm

Sarah_Jayne 08-26-2003 12:39 PM

that is a story that scares me more than the priests. I heard an interview about that last night on BBC radio and apparently the church has form..they once tied a girl to punishement chair and hit her in front of the rest of the church goers. In the end they weren't charged because the officals said they wouldn't get a jury to convict them.

Sarah_Jayne 08-26-2003 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by baddog


I do not remember the peanut butter scenario, but some highlights would include:


you are right not to remember it. I was remembering that from a New Jersey case involving the Wee Care Nursery School. Makes sense as that would have been all over the Philly news where I grew up. I do remember the case you are talking about as well.

The details of this case and 'yours' are at:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../outcomes.html

Wee Care Nursery School
(Maplewood, NJ; 1988)

Background: While being examined at a doctor's office in April 1985, a nurse took the temperature of a 4-year-old boy with a rectal thermometer and the boy remarked, "That's what my teacher does to me at nap time at school." Suspecting abuse, the nurse reported her suspicions to authorities. After a two-month investigation in which police and social workers interviewed other children at the Wee Care Nursery School, and heard allegations of Kelly's forcing the children to lick peanut butter off her genitals and penetrating their rectums and vaginas with knives and forks, they concluded that 23-year old teacher Kelly Michaels had abused 51 students in her care.

Outcome: After an 11-month trial, Michaels was convicted in August 1988 of 115 counts of sexual abuse and sentenced to 47 years in prison. The children testified by closed-circuit television at the trial.

After serving five years in prison, Michaels was released upon a successful appeal in 1993. The following year, the New Jersey State Supreme Court upheld the appellate court's decision and declared that "the interviews of the children were highly improper and utilized coercive and unduly suggestive methods." Prosecutors ultimately decided not to retry the case, and the charges were dropped.

In 1996, Michaels filed a malicious prosecution lawsuit against prosecutors and state officials, arguing that they had violated her constitutional rights by persuading the children to give false testimony in her case. In January 2001, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear her case under a federal civil rights statute; however Justice Clarence Thomas dissented, noting that the court's decision "leaves victims of egregious prosecutorial misconduct without a remedy." Michaels' lawsuit was remanded to Superior Court in New Jersey to seek damages under state law, and has yet to go to trial. Michaels is seeking $10 million in damages, although she has said that she would settle for an apology.

eroswebmaster 08-26-2003 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Fucking geraldo made this shit blow up man.;

Every other show was about Satans kids and shit.


You're right...lol...I think I watched just about every single one of his episodes back then.

If it wasn't the ritualistic abuse it was the KKK.

Mr. Jim 08-26-2003 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Penthouse_mike


perhaps I could have been more specific.

I don't think he deserved to die as he did.

Here is where I become a bleeding heart. Even though he was a child molester, I can empathise with him, because I think all life, even the life of a child molester, has an intrinsict value.

Shut the Fuck up!

We get it...look at me....everyone look at me.... and how smart my opinion looks.

He fucked children and he got what was coming to him....you can recite as much uber liberal quotes all day long....if the guy corn holed your kid you would sit back and say...

"I hope the state can give him the kind of rehabilitation they prescribe as being just"

Taking a position like this only makes you look like some self-righteous ass clown.

the ONLY justice for people who harm children who trust them is death....

quote that on the 4th of July Harvard mouth


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