My brother just last month completed a 5 year sentence for armed robbery, and was in the same prison where the priest was killed.
He was over last night, a little freaked out.

If he hadn't been an "armed" robber he probably wouldn't be serving his time in such a hostile environment, death extreme violence and suicide are common in prisons, he should have chosen his career more carefully.

please tell me you did not accept this as a valid theory

Why not? All it is, is a theory. Certainly if you look historically at some of the actions of the Catholic Church, it's not a stretch to imagine they may have ordered the death of 1 man; a man, who had brought them an incredible amount of bad press and would have continued to be a money pit.

Also sends quite a message to any pedophile Priest out there wouldn't you say?

I'm not saying its right, its just a theory and it has its merrits.

So basically you believe.

ALL criminals deserve the DEATH PENALTY.

hmmm.

BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sickening to think about ! Fucker got off easy.

I think child molesters should have their genitalia removed and be forced to do landscaping for schools under armed supervision!

mother fucker had it coming, molesting over 150 boys! and he only had a 10 year sentence? is this true? how fucked up is our system.

I have 2 boys and this shit outrages me and pisses me off. People like that should be skinned alive in public and every victim have a chance to pour salt on the basterd. That's what you call justice.

Wrong guy. This guy was killed for being gay.

:winkwink:

This is a quote from the article in the washington post

"Across the state, while few people outwardly mourned the passing of a man who sparked a scandal in the Roman Catholic Church and was alleged to have molested nearly 150 children -- mostly boys -- while a priest in a number of Boston-area parishes, the question was: How could this have happened? "


How is it the wrong guy Sherlock?

Hey I confused priests, they are all kid fuckers to me.

:1orglaugh

It's also up to the state to protect the kids from people like him.. guess they can't always do their job.

Did anyone catch the part about the priest whispering prayers into the kids ears as he tucked them in bed and fondled them?

Can you imagine what the fuck that does to a persons sex life when they grow up?

The twisted fuck should have been forced to eat his own balls.

Sigh.

I think he got what he deserved. We are talking 3 decades of abuse. He didn't just oops do something wrong once. Not that, that would matter.

And armed robbery is a violent crime and if you commit armed robbery then yes, I think you should fear for your life in jail everyday just like your victim did when you were robbing them at gun or knife point!

Funny how when an armed robber is put in the place to fear for his life, he cries and whines about it. Or even worse thinks he wil have to kill someone to make sure nobody steals his shit?? What are they gonna steal lol. You reap what you sow :)

I'm marking this on the calendar. We're in agreement on something.

"Uh-uh, if it happened to your kid you would want him dead, too!" Sure I would, I would also want someone dead for beating up my girlfriend. So what?

he would of been killed eventually anyhow, if not now, in a year, 5 years..10 years. even in protective custody and he couldn't survive, he didn't stand a chance. just imagine if he had been in with the general population? the jail system is fucked up, you will be victimized if you are in the section where they put the 'violent' criminals. i'd like to see more dedication to rehabilitation rather than just locking ppl up, they only learn to become better criminals anyhow. as for child molestors tho, there is no cure. they have a sort of obsessive compulsive behavoir where they obsess about these thoughts until they carry them out. sentences for child molestors need to be harsher in my opinion, as the rate of molesters who reoffend is very very high. personally im just glad he will never have the chance to hurt another child again. did he deserve to die? such judgement isn't reserved for me to make.

No that's not what I said at all, what I said was if you commit violent crimes or are prepared to commit violent crimes then you should expect to serve your sentence with similar criminals.

We all make our own beds but they are not always pleasant to sleep in :2 cents:

thank you, it is always good to know who the daft are :thumbsup

accused by 130, I believe he was convicted of 2. And yeah, 2 is 2 too many, but let me tell you a little story.

In 1983 there was a big scandal around here, that you may have heard of, the McMartin Pre-School. The owners of this well established pre-school were accused of all kinds of weird things, including child abuse, maiming and killing of small animals, you name it, they were accused of it.

I happened to have a close association with the mother of 2 of the kids that had been allegedly abused. I even became personally involved in the hysteria that followed. For a while.

The more I learned about what was happening, the more I knew this was pure bullshit. I assisted in getting a newspaper reporter fired from his job (in retrospect, he most likely had done nothing but befriended a woman in an attempt to get more info for his story), and even had an opportunity to attack Raymond Buckey as he stood in the hallway of the court, but luckily I restrained myself. Why luckily? Because he was innocent.

While I have no doubt that some of the accusations against some of the priests are true, I also have no doubt that a majority of the accusations are unfounded.

Mass hysteria is an amazing thing. I was an altar boy for many years. With the way the newspapers have told the story I should have been molested dozens of times.

Sure the Catholic Church is going to settle out of court on some of these accusations, they can't afford not to. The judicial system forces decisions to be made on a completely financial basis.

The point is, this guy was sentenced to 10 years, would have probably served 6. Instead he got the death penalty. You can murder someone in MA, shit, you can murder 130 people in MA and not get the death penalty.

100 ways to deal with crime

baddog, i remember that case. I was young but I was a new junkie even back then. Was that the one where the woman was acused of putting peanut butter on herself? It just always stuck in my brain.

Actually debated this with some people who brought up some intresting, well thought out points. But your statement is so much more clear, concise and based on facts. I should listen to you...lol

I guess you have your own vision of a CORRECTIONAL FACILITY and I have mine.

A criminals favorite expression..."I can do what I want, God forgave me"


FUCK THAT BULLSHIT, it wasnt brutel enough and he didnt suffer 1/100 of what he did to those kids. His fuckin slack ass should have gotten raped and beaten in the shower.

What about the girls you & other exploit? Not that I don`t believe in porn, just that you are hypocritcal.

Maybe you are a child molestor - and afraid of the consequences, so you side with him.

I do not remember the peanut butter scenario, but some highlights would include:

Children's Institute International saying 360 kids had been abused. Their method of testing was giving the kids two dolls, anatomically correct, and them drilling them until the kids said what they wanted them to say. The interviewers gave rewards to the kids for disclosing the "right" answers: These were that the children:

were victimized by teachers who were members of an intergenerational Satanic conspiracy.

were required to participate in "major, major sacrifices" connected with the "Satanic Church."

were sexually abused by Ray Buckey who was dressed as a police officer, fireman, clown or Santa Claus.

were forced to act in pornographic movies, and submit to the taking of millions of "kiddy-porn" photographs.

saw the mutilation and killing of animals.

saw an AWOL Marine sodomize a dog.

Were forced to ride naked on a horse.

were forced to engage in Satanic rituals, including ritual murder of infants and drinking of baby's blood.

saw dead and burned babies, flying witches, movie stars and local politicians.

were forced into a coffin and buried.

were molested in a market and a car wash.

were forced to watch while Ray Buckey killed a sea turtle by stabbing its shell with a knife; this was a demonstration of what would happen to the children if they told. (in reality, turtle shells are much too tough to be penetrated with a knife)

were taken to the airport, traveled to Palm Springs either in an airplane or hot air balloon, sexually abused and returned.

were driven from the school in cars, and sexually abused on the side of the highway.

were flushed down toilets, traveled through sewers to a place where adults sexually abused them, cleaned them up and later returned them to the pre-school so they could be picked up by their parents.

were taken through trapdoors in the floor of the center, taken through underground tunnels to both underground and above ground rooms where they were abused. No tunnels were ever found. However, some old trenches which pre-dated the McMartin building and were filled with pre-World War II garbage were located; some claim that they were tunnels that the staff had filled in.

The person responsible for starting this was a mentally insane alcoholic going thru a nasty divorce and was trying to fuck her husband over.

My payback for getting involved with this crap was having one of the main prosecutors later become a Family Law judge that was the judge over the second half of my divorce.

I laugh when people start bringing up baby killing Satanists.

Can anyone show any proof?

Satanism is Selfism, and if anyone of you picked up the books youd know this.

Man Im glad I read.

Someone please show me proof of baby killing satanic rituals.
Jusg because some sick cult does something, doesnt MAKE IT SATANIC.

Strictly forbids violence against children.

http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/Theory.html

:thumbsup

Satan sees children as the Future.

Only your Lord God has asked Abraham to kill his own for him.

so you understand why my initial belief that something had happened soon changed.

A 1986 survey of residents in Los Angeles County was taken before the first trial. It showed that 90% of the potential jurors believed that Raymond and Peggy were guilty.

3 years later the district attorney dropped all charges against 5 of the adults. Remaining were 52 charges against Ray Buckey and 20 counts against Peggy Buckey, plus a single count of conspiracy. An area telephone survey showed that:

96% of the adults had heard of the case
97% of those with an opinion believed that Ray Buckey was guilty
93% believed that Peggy McMartin was guilty


Everyone was eventually found not guilty. It cost LA millions of dollars and ruined the lives of the McMartins and the Buckeys as well as the lives of several innocent by-standers.

Moral of the story, don't believe everything you read in the papers.

I just see people talk about 'Baby Killing Satanic Rituals' and always ask for proof.

I never get any.

Its made up. There is no baby killing rituals. From 67 till now, it hasnt changed.

http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven.html

Just because some sick fuck kills a baby, doesnt make it 'Satanic'

Its just for headlines and the people buy it.

:winkwink:

Fletch, I've even read reports, and watched FBI agents in interviews that have stated that during the height of these ritualistic abuse claims (80's) that there was not one shred of evidence that they could find of these types of things every occuring.

Scientologists kill more people than Satanists.

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/temp/tt970220.htm?FACTNet

:winkwink:

Christians just killed a 8 year old for their god.

http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/...11940366.shtml

Fucking geraldo made this shit blow up man.;

Every other show was about Satans kids and shit.

America has been craving satanists since the Manson Family.

And he was nothing more than a racist. Nothing to do with the devil.

Just race war shit.

They have been fascinated with this vision of Satanists since they were burning Kiss Alive 2 by the pile hahaha

1987.

'"Satanic Cults and Children.", 1987-NOV-19
Prior to 1985, Geraldo Rivera worked for ABC News. Subsequently, he hosted a number of national TV special programs which, as one reporter wrote, (1) explored "the twilight zones of American society." One such special discussed the alleged ritual abuse of children by Satanic cults.
He stated: "Estimates are that there are over 1 million Satanists in this country...The majority of them are linked in a highly organized, very secretive network. From small towns to large cities, they have attracted police and FBI attention to their Satanic ritual child abuse, child pornography and grisly Satanic murders. The odds are that this is happening in your town.'

So you see folks, thats how you influence society.

fiction

http://www.religioustolerance.org/geraldo.htm

that is a story that scares me more than the priests. I heard an interview about that last night on BBC radio and apparently the church has form..they once tied a girl to punishement chair and hit her in front of the rest of the church goers. In the end they weren't charged because the officals said they wouldn't get a jury to convict them.

you are right not to remember it. I was remembering that from a New Jersey case involving the Wee Care Nursery School. Makes sense as that would have been all over the Philly news where I grew up. I do remember the case you are talking about as well.

The details of this case and 'yours' are at:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../outcomes.html

Wee Care Nursery School
(Maplewood, NJ; 1988)

Background: While being examined at a doctor's office in April 1985, a nurse took the temperature of a 4-year-old boy with a rectal thermometer and the boy remarked, "That's what my teacher does to me at nap time at school." Suspecting abuse, the nurse reported her suspicions to authorities. After a two-month investigation in which police and social workers interviewed other children at the Wee Care Nursery School, and heard allegations of Kelly's forcing the children to lick peanut butter off her genitals and penetrating their rectums and vaginas with knives and forks, they concluded that 23-year old teacher Kelly Michaels had abused 51 students in her care.

Outcome: After an 11-month trial, Michaels was convicted in August 1988 of 115 counts of sexual abuse and sentenced to 47 years in prison. The children testified by closed-circuit television at the trial.

After serving five years in prison, Michaels was released upon a successful appeal in 1993. The following year, the New Jersey State Supreme Court upheld the appellate court's decision and declared that "the interviews of the children were highly improper and utilized coercive and unduly suggestive methods." Prosecutors ultimately decided not to retry the case, and the charges were dropped.

In 1996, Michaels filed a malicious prosecution lawsuit against prosecutors and state officials, arguing that they had violated her constitutional rights by persuading the children to give false testimony in her case. In January 2001, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear her case under a federal civil rights statute; however Justice Clarence Thomas dissented, noting that the court's decision "leaves victims of egregious prosecutorial misconduct without a remedy." Michaels' lawsuit was remanded to Superior Court in New Jersey to seek damages under state law, and has yet to go to trial. Michaels is seeking $10 million in damages, although she has said that she would settle for an apology.

You're right...lol...I think I watched just about every single one of his episodes back then.

If it wasn't the ritualistic abuse it was the KKK.