Average Americans think that polls suck and wonder why 99% of them have never participated in any of the polls they read about.

c'mon colin. you know that 95% of americans couldn't find pacifica or any other non-corporate media unless they made a serious effort. what are the chances of that happening?

that same 95% gets all of their news and information from corporate entities such as CNN / FOX / ABC / NBC / CBS . for all the talk about a "liberal media" its just that: talk.

i could go out into the local mall tonight and ask 500 people to name the alternatives to corporate media and i bet not one of them would say anything other that "npr", which itself is a cruel joke being played on "intellectuals".

Yet, a new poll found that nearly 70 percent of respondents believed the Iraqi leader probably was personally involved. Rumsfeld said, "I've not seen any indication that would lead me to believe that I could say that."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/09/17/sprj.irq.bush.ap/

CNN. is that OK???? not my LOCAL news....

Poll was published by the Washington Post. I really wont dig more.

Maybe they did, but didn't realize it.

So CNN refers to one poll and thats 'the most accurate count.'

buahaha

I havent watched CNN since Sept 11th

and I dont believe a damn thing they say.

I have Newsworld International owned by the Canadian Broadcasting Company. I find it extremely biased against the US. The Canadian pieces are like listening to Direct Fiesta read the news. Those oh, so careful adjectives that insult the US administration, the usual epithets, selective interviews. Uh huh.

Ahh, I don't really claim that the US media is more diverse than Canadian. I imagine it is quiet the same in diversity but thought I'd get under directfiesta's skin since it's so easy. ;-) He always seems to think Americans only hear positive news about the US which is absurd. Reporters gets Pulitzers for breaking news against government, not for it.

Well, the mainstream channels we have are FOX, CNN, and MSNBC which you already know. We also have CSPAN and CSPAN2 which cover both American Houses and non-american ones at times too (British House of Commons). PBS is always good. Jim Lehrer news hour is excellent.

Directfiesta mentioned British news. I watch BBC World News and
ITV.

We have a very liberal channel "LINK TV" which bills itself as "alternative". Pretty interesting channel with news from middle east, etc.

I don't get news from France but of course not many people here speak French. This isn't Quebec. I live in Miami so we do get dozens of spanish stations but I don't know Spanish.

I can order channels in Russian and many other languages but only speak German and that's not an option. Wish it were. I need to brush up on mine.

And of course, most of the news Direct Fiesta gets all excited about is written by American journalists. Probably most of the books he reads (history, politics, and so forth) are written in the US. And of course, we have an unreal number of books and magazines published from every possible perspective.

Polls Find Americans Believe Hussein Linked to 9/11, Support War in Iraq

"WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- Most Americans believe Saddam Hussein, the ousted president of Iraq, was connected to the attacks on the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, according to a new poll released on Saturday.

The Washington Post found that 69 percent of all Americans believe that Hussein worked with al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden to carry out terrorist plans nearly two years ago. In fact, the poll found that even a majority Democrats and independents believe Hussein was a key player."

GOP USA

So again, ONE POLL taken by some newspaper a bajillion miles from reality and thats how americans feel?

jesus christ, i rather hear about priests fucking more boys than hear this crap

hahaha

there really isn't an 'average' american and there isn't a collective thought.

Unfortunately what most people don't realize is that Saddam not being around isn't goign to change things for Osama one fucking bit. He's STILL going to make his next attempt bigger and "better" than 9/11, and the false sense of security people are getting from thinking the job is "done" is going to play the American people RIGHT into Osama's hands.

It's not done??? I saw a pilot president BUSH on a carrier off Bagdad shores say:

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED





:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

<img src=http://merlin2.alleg.edu/employee/e/epallant/images/TV1.words.trans.gif border="0">

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LOL...

Direct Fiesta,

Who is Canada's head of state?

i don't know if you noticed but the week following this poll the White House wen't all out to say they had nothing to do with this notion.

if i recall correctly donald rumsfeld and condoleeza rice went on news shows to deny having implied this, and resident bush even came out and made a statement link

so obviously the white house felt this was an important poll.

Do you mean Prime Minister?

No, I mean head of state.

The perfectly ordinary, perfectly mediocre Jean Chretian. He may be a fucktard, but he's made a lot of moves and done a lot of things that show some sense. I wish he could stick around for a while.. he may not be a "shining star" but he hasn't done anything exceedingly bad or stupid lately either.

You got the answer wrong ;-)

Nope, I didnt notice because I dont watch CNN like the rest of you hahaha

Its funny when these threads come. IM an american and I do not watch cnn or fox or any of that shit. I dont even watch the LA news often. Why? Because I know its all based on fear, and i learned that shit when geraldo was making his bullshit claims about Satanist Baby Killing. Which there has NEVER BEEN ANY IN THE US EVER, but he was putting out shows left and right about the KKK and the Satanist Baby Killers.

I gave up on americas media long ago.

Please dont lump me in with your american bashing.

I am not your 'average american' I do not support what is happening and I could actually be imprisoned if I stated my beliefs on such things regarding Bush and his fucking christian kid fucking legion.

Did you read this where he says General Clark tld him he had been contacted by the Bush Admin when this first happened to go on the news and say Saddam was involved? THIS WAS BEFORE any of this crap. And WAY before your Washington Post Poll.

http://michaelmoore.com/words/index....ate=2003-09-23

http://www.raisethefist.com/index1.html

Monarch.

If you mean the Queen, sure. However, she doesn't make any decisions regarding how the country is run.

No their not gone! There's hundreds of them! There's no way we got rid of all of them!

jDoG

Right, since Canada is a constitutional monarchy the Queen is the head of state. A recent poll shows that a majority of
Canadians don?t know this basic point about their government.

http://erg.environics.net/news/default.asp?aID=406

I?m sure I could dig up many more but that?s my last one. I don't like insulting entire nations especially one that my family comes from.

The point is that people like Direct Fiesta go looking for proof of ?the dumb American? and ignore all the stupid things believed and not known in their own country.

i'm not america bashing, and i didn't do anything other than respond to and then follow-up to your initial question.

you and i share the same opinions more often than not.

Show mw where " ignore all the stupid things believed and not known in their own country. "

I will just point out that this thread is not about " what Canadian thinks" but about " what AMERICANS think..."

Nobody prevents you from starting your own new thread.

The Poll that I cited was an American poll, done by americans ( well, maybe from outsourcing India..lol) about american beliefs...

BTW. I do not look for " proof", it is just there to scoop... just like shit!

And I do not fall for your stupid student tricks ( sorry ladymischief, but you were not suspicious enough, and fell for it).

:321GFY

Righty-ho Colin.

Prove to us that the majority of Americans are free thinkers.

This should be fun...

Cool.

I was actually considering going down to the Hollywood Rally a couple days ago and take pictures.

I really love the fact that things like this are going on outside and just blocks from me.

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/272/...h_coast:.shtml

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I've seen little evidence that such people exist in number anywhere. What few there are find each other and break the spell.

I'v seen things like this many times more than I can count. On many occasions after something like this is thrown up in our face I've discussed it with family, friends and other fellow university students just to see if other people feel this way. The answer has been "no" probably 95% of the time. Who the fuck are they polling?

And ironically it's the "patriotic right" that seem to be doing most of the threatening.

Most of the hate mail seems to be posted on left leaning sites, and it was directed towards them.

FreeRepublic.com - that bastion of conservatism will ban you for posting anything left of William Kristol.

"Patriotism" now seems to mean "Do what we say", not "Do what the constitution says".

Now who says American is going down the pan? :1orglaugh

I can't remember the comedian's name, but one line he said really stuck in my mind:

"Between the coasts, USA is just one big trailer park."

:1orglaugh

Well my point in this thread certainly wasn't to go looking for the "dumb American". I honestly wanted to know if this is what Americans think. My country isn't perfect, I never claimed it was.. However I'm very realistic, I have yet to see ANY country that's perfect. But it would sadden me to think that the majority of average Americans, the guys who should be informed of better by the media and whomever else, would believe that Al Queda was gone.. I've pretty much got my answer though :)

You want me to prove that you ignore something? That's sort of a bizarre request. It would be easier for you to prove the opposite.

I'm sure you have a good memory and can remember your own posts. Show me just one post dated before today where you show evidence of ignorance in your own country.

How is this relevant Colin?

You may have book smarts, but from your posts you seem to be rather lacking in common sense. :2 cents:

So you're admitting that the majority of Americans are ignorant morons?

It is funny it seems some americans on this board QUESTION their country more than others, but its always the non-americans who feel the need to daily POINT OUT America's faults.

People like me, do not follow the leader and I question everything these people try and feed us, whether its Rumsfield or Geraldo.

I've rarely seen anyone question their own country here aside from americans.

sad if you think about it.

We may be in a bad situation, but it was NOT the merican peoples fault and its a shame that these other countries feel that it is ALL of us who stand behind this christian monkey and his alcoholic war monger oil buddies.

I am american but some of US are almost ASHAMED of it, and it really disgusts me to see my country be brought down to its current level.

One word.

Hell Fucking Yes.

So don't bring it up... if you can't back it up.


PS: why do you find that " bizarre" ... It does ressemble to this american logic:

They do. They just don't post it here.

I'm pretty sure it's because many Americans congregate here, so they're an easy target.

And with a huge military and a dumb president, the US can have quite an effect on the rest of the world. So people make their thoughts heard.