There are a lot of reasons.

I believe that their own actions are a big part of it, yes.

There are ******s that got out of poverty and it wasn't because they joined the local gang, sold dope, and popped out 6 kids by the time they were 18 and had no job.

It's funny that the ******s that get out of poverty are never held up as role models to the community but are called Uncle Toms and ridiculed as sell outs.

What does all this race-card stuff have to do with the fact that the "work ethic" that you make so much fun of, has resulted in an economy that is so strong that people have enough computers and spare cash lying around to pay you a good living for a bunch of porno pictures!

You should be cheering that damn "work ethic"

You failed to complete the riddle:

GDP is measured in ...
(in the US)


Here's a little something to help:

Old situation:

100x = 100y = 100z
A = 100y
B = 100z

New situation:

100x = 200y = 50z
A = 200y (+100%!!!)
B = 50z (-50%!!!)

If x is objective, what has changed?

And those would be?

Tell me why some black people are born poor and do well financially and yet others fail.

You're making statements like "black people" and *insert pejorative here* as if you can categorize entire groups of people simply and neatly, stuffing them into categories, and speaking of averages as "those people".

I dont share your enthusiasm for consumption.

All your precious work ethic has done is make you a slave to corporate America.

By the way KRL, all the same shit about political fund raising was happening during the Clinton years, except that those contributors actually included illiegal funds from semi-hostile foreign goverments in order to get a hold of banned US weapons systems and people went to jail for it. Big fricking deal

Hi LabRat... I've missed you :glugglug

If you don't share my enthusiam for consumption then you need to do two things:

1. Go take a class in ecomomics
2. Get out of this business....you total hypocrite!:1orglaugh

I think you're confusing M1 and GDP ;-)

Just look at the strong home sales and auto sales in the past quarter. Auto sales contributed 1.7% of the quarter's rise in GDP. People are spending money.

Why does anyone succeed why others fail? Not everyone was born with a silver spoon like you Colin.

You are the one claiming entire ghettos of people are only there because they are lazy and stupid. No other factors involved.

Haha. Right. I went from having state-assisted free lunch in high school to the top tax bracket today.

Now what we all want to know is why have I succeeded while you have failed? That whole "slavery to corporate America" attitude is keeping you down. Invest in corporate America. Participate. Be a part if it. You look at the top income earners in the world and despise them. I look at them and learn.

So far all it looks like is you learned how to argue like 12Clicks.

I have more stuff so I am better than you. I consume more, I contribute more to the machine that owns me, therefore I am better.

Congrats to you and all your stuff. I wish I could wake up every day and realize my identity rests upon what someone decides to sell me. You rule.

You apparently misunderstood it. Take another look.

Good point. For some reason in today's culture people seem to think wealth has an intrinsic and decisive moral value. A rather odd conception, if you ask me.

What it does show quite nicely is how animalistic and irrational humans actually are. They place all their value in a kind of social acceptance which is ultimately and rationally utterly meaningless.

So you wish to exchange one animalistic, irrational, utterly meaningless sense of being for another and then proclaim the second to be superior? What did you do today that was so great? Feed the poor, donate to charity, write a book? What?

It's not about "social acceptance". I don't where you get that from. I earn so I can do whatever I wish. If I wish to take a year off from work, so be it. If I wish to read and study for a year without having to work, I can. It's called "luxury class" for a reason, you know.

PW,

I don't know what you're trying to say.

Why do you always think in terms of consumption? You have a sickness.

Some people choose spirituality, education, or other non tangibles as a measure of self worth.

What gives you the idea that all values are animalistic, irrational and utterly meaningless?

Btw, I did write a book today... or at least a few pages of it :glugglug

Who says I do? You assume too much.

I went to one of the top universities in the world. Educating onself is too easy. I prefer a greater challenge.

And what makes you the authority to say that the pursuit of wealth is animalistic, irrational, and utterly meaningless? Actually, I'd say it's quite rational and what is meaningful to one is not to another. And animalistic? A strange set of pejoratives from Punkworld. You make quite the leap from the pursuit of wealth to "social acceptance".

Thats not what he said.

People, like you, who base their self worth on accumulation of capital and goods, and judge others based upon their lack of capital and goods, are irrational.

You have no identity outside of what you consume.

It is possible to have wealth without making it your identity.

Hey, cool. I made a $25k/month deal this morning and played video games. I hope you got as much satisfaction as I did. What are you writing? You know I love writing. ;-)

They ended that double tax making it more likely for people to take out money and pump it into the economy.

Small buisness has also accelerated last quarter. :glugglug

It is also possible to have wealth and have identity other than wealth. Wealth is not a bad thing or a good thing.

Where did I say that? Where did I mention "identity" or associate consumption with self-worth? You're just another parrot droning on and repeating the same old tired phrases; "capital and goods" .. blah, blah, blah ..."consumption" .. blah, blah. blah ... "irrational" .. blah blah blah. You post but do not read.

Hence why I said, "It is possible to have wealth without making it your identity."

Gee it was hard to make that assumption when you are saying people are poor simply because they are lazy and stupid and saying I am just a impoverished blathering idiot because I choose not to consume and embrace corporate America as much as you. No, you are not transparent. It was real hard to figure out what you value.

The pursuit of wealth, in todays society, is in most cases a pursuit of a higher position on the social ladder. A bit like trying to become the head or the alpha wolf.
Why do almost all kids want to become popstars, actors models and other things like that? Simply because the job seems nice to them? No, because being considered beautiful, being admired, being copied and having "bling bling" all amount to one thing: extreme popularity, in other words, an extremely high position on the social ladder.

Moreover, it's a value which is imposed on us by society. Having loads of money, loads of useless gadgets, more cars than you can ever drive are presented as the "good" life. Not just good from the perspective of enjoyment, but from a moral perspective. The rich and famous are presented as role models, not because of their contribution to society, not because of their fulfilling lives, but because of their position on the social ladder.

However, apart from that position on the social ladder and massive amounts of unnecessary gadgets, what do riches actually bring to one's life?

...

<i>To be continued. Have to do some grocery shopping now before the stores close, will be back later. </i>

Where did I say "people are poor simply because they are lazy and stupid"? I challenge you. Quote me. If you value education so much why don't you read more carefully? Where did I say "because" indicating cause and effect?

Board Debate 101, my friend. Read the words that are written and leave the preconceived notions you came in with on the coat rack. You started out sounding like an idiot confused that I quoted the BBC.

You WILL get your education today. I was a teacher once, you know ;-)

Hmm...so you did...time for another cup of coffee I think...or maybe some sleep.

Oh look, Colin wants to play the semantics game.

So you didnt say that poverty was a disease of the stupid and lazy?

Confused? I just find it mildly ironic that a super patriot such as yourself would quote the traditional enemies of the right. Its like Coulter using the Socialist Times a source.

LESSON ONE for you, Blistex. Use an incendiary title for your threads like "All bow before the power of America". Guaranteed to suck in a good crowd.

Points? 3 so far. Measured by the number of new partner requests from GFY today.

I'm here on this porn businessmessageboard to make more money. What are you here for? What is your goal? Surely not just out of loneliness. ;-)

Read above. Should I give you another lesson or are you starting to catch on now? I hope you're a quick study.

Ahh, I see now. You attempt to fit everyone into either a "left" box or a "right" one. Hmmm. Kinda simplistic. Is it not? What kind of member of the "right" is anti-capital punishment, pro-abortion, and believes that there should be social nets? Seems like your boxes are overflowing. You need new ones.

No, not semantics. It's called hyperbole, little fishy ;-)

No need, we have been watching AMP say the same thing for the last two weeks as he got his ass handed to him.

We know... we know... its about impressions blah de blah de blah. More consumption, more money, more posts, more more more, Colin needs more.

Quote:

Ahh, I see now. You attempt to fit everyone into either a "left" box or a "right" one. Hmmm. Kinda simplistic. Is it not? What kind of member of the "right" is anti-capital punishment, pro-abortion, and believes that there should be social nets? Seems like your boxes are overflowing. You need new ones.

You stuck yourself in a box calling everyone poor and stupid who doesnt agree with you or live like you do or who do not want to live like you do. No need to run down the list of your more sensitive traits, its about as tired as the guy who yells ****** and says, "im not racist, I got a black friend".

What is this? "I know you are but what am I?" Were you trained at the Pee Wee Herman School of Debate or something?

Again. Why are you here?

eh? You say that I "attempt to fit everyone into either a "left" box or a "right" one", and I simply point out that rather than me placing you in a "box" that you did a fine job of categorizing yourself with your astounding theory of intelligence and poverty, I am now Pee Wee Herman alumni? I am assuming your major was not logic nor debate.

To watch you trip over your words.

Sorry, I thought this was the bathroom.

Gee, which name did you used to post under before this one?:1orglaugh

No, actually its, "you have nothing in a world were its simple to have something so I'm better than you"
a man's gotta eat.


oh, the sillyness of the loser.
yes, I'm owned by the machine.:1orglaugh


deluding yourself that you haven't failed will get you nowhere, son.